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September 05, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Last edit: September 05, 2017, 06:46:44 PM by Hyperme.sh
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Do you include Ethereum in this assessment? Technically, Ethereum was an ICO. The funds were raised in BTC and investors were compensated with ETH tokens from the genesis block. Thereafter, though, ETH has only been created by mining.

I imagine that if the Ethereum ICO were happening today, it would be covered by the PBOC's new prohibition. The founders are probably lucky they got in on the ICO craze so early, though. I doubt they plan to ban ETH...


The legality of competitively proof-of-work mined coins are not at all afflicted by recent events.

So prior rulings about the legality of Bitcoin are irrelevant to the issue about ICOs.

The difference compared to prior Chinese regulatory actions, is that this appears to have been a coordinated event amongst regulators in many nations.

And the ETH ICO madness was entirely out-of-control and risking naive investors’ funds in a plethora of scams. It became a new Xerox copy ICO every day scam. The nations had no choice but to act. And surely the SEC and other nations will follow. I think Asia acted first because their governments are less democratic and more authoritarian, so they can act quicker. The democratic nations will follow because their regulators have the same responsibility to their citizens. The wheels just move slower in the democratic nations. Asia is finely oil machine that is more efficient than the West now.

The issue is not exclusive to China. China, Canada, Russia, South Korea, and Singapore have warned about coming enforcement action. The SEC already recently warned in the context of The DAO. Obviously the recent events are coordinated between regulators in all these nations including probably the SEC.

Click here for a longer explanation of why proof-of-work mined tokens are not investment securities and thus not afflicted by recent events.

The above link also discusses Ethereum’s ETH, Ethereum ICOs, and others.

It is also very important to note that pre-existing ICO-issued tokens, are illegal to trade and can be delisted from exchanges. Your home country can make it illegal for you to trade them. The above link explains this is more detail.

Please stop spreading the incorrect information, implying that ICOs will come back or that pre-existing ICOs can still be traded. Most people do not want to go to jail or suffer fines. Even if they regulate ICOs, these will only be tradeable on registered exchanges and will not be spendable as cryptocurrencies (i.e. not allowed to be traded decentralized). Thus these new regulated ICOs will not be very useful. It will not be the same.

Many shady exchanges and their largest traders are likely to suffer fines and threats of criminal prosecutions. Today is only the beginning of a massive global crackdown. The gears may move somewhat slowly but over the coming year there will be massive changes to the crypto ecosystem. All the hard-headed will have their fingertips burned up to their armpits as necessary for authorities to stop the rapid proliferation of investment securities scams.

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

There will be no greater fools to sell the ICOs to, when they are not legal.

The ICO scam model depends on selling to newbies who come in and believe these 100s of Xerox copy ICOs each have a chance to become the next Bitcoin or Ethereum.

Nobody is going to speculate on illegal ICOs, because there will be no mass market for them, thus no way to hype them.

And it is not just USA and China that are banning ICOs. Same as was the case for FATCA (a USA only law), it became enforced in every country in the world, because the USA threatened to penalize every nation that did not comply.

We’ve already got Canada, Russia, China, Singapore, South Korea, and the USA warning about ICOs.

You’d have to be blind to argue this is not a critical mass.
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September 06, 2017, 11:07:40 AM
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ICO has always been a shady thing and in many jurisdictions it has always been illegal to do. China is now just catching up with the rest of the world.... like always....you are reading up too much into a normal thing and making in big in your head.

I am dizzy reading the the original post and I realize that this is the side-effect when we are dealing with a country like China...there is so much in there that can sometimes be beyond comprehension for guys who are not in China or who are not educated on their way of life or culture.

We have already seen how the China Effect can affect the whole cryptocurrency market but soon this can be the thing of the past if we allow new big markets to open up. The bigger is the market the lesser is the power and influence of China, that is for sure. As of now, we are still under its magical power so anything they say, they do and they don't do in relation to cryptocurrency can have ramifications in the market and we are all affected.

I am predicting though that soon China will come up with their own strict rules and regulations on ICO projects and one has to pass the rigid tests before they can do business in China and offer coin/token to anyone interested. They just want a total stop for now so they can have the time to sort things out. Be ready for China to get back with a big revenge in the world of crowdfunding.
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September 10, 2017, 03:52:28 AM
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China like the US and other governments must find ways to incorporate the vast potential of the blockchain revolution. It is the evolution from the trusted third party system, that has been part of the traditional basis for transactions, to a global system of equal participation.
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September 10, 2017, 04:32:02 AM
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A dificult situaton with btc ethereum ... are be only to half november,  all (10 alt coin in world rank index will be to high) . china traider looked for ideas for working !
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September 11, 2017, 03:51:42 AM
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China like the US and other governments must find ways to incorporate the vast potential of the blockchain revolution. It is the evolution from the trusted third party system, that has been part of the traditional basis for transactions, to a global system of equal participation.

There is a big possibility that due to some lobbying from interested and big names in China, it might later on change its mind on ICO and would come up with a rigid regulations covering the said platform. I am sure that China would not want to be left behind with cryptocurrency maybe they just need to time to adjust and tweak everything. This is an optimistic view of things. The pessimistic view is that China has its own global agenda and cryptocurrency has no part on that vision.
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September 11, 2017, 06:09:18 AM
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so how soon do we also expect Bitcoin Price to rise up to at least 5000USD this year???

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September 11, 2017, 06:47:48 AM
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There is a big possibility that due to some lobbying from interested and big names in China, it might later on change its mind on ICO and would come up with a rigid regulations covering the said platform. I am sure that China would not want to be left behind with cryptocurrency maybe they just need to time to adjust and tweak everything. This is an optimistic view of things. The pessimistic view is that China has its own global agenda and cryptocurrency has no part on that vision.

It's hard to say. The Chinese government is known for its cryptic pronouncements, as well as for its waffling -- anyone remember when China was going to ban Bitcoin ~3 years ago?

According to at least one Chinese official, even the ICO ban is just temporary: https://twitter.com/sytaylor/status/905867039935430656

So I wouldn't worry too much about their stance towards cryptocurrencies in general. I think they just wanted to calm the market down while they mull over regulations.

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September 13, 2017, 05:50:47 AM
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old story repeats itself. there are many people do not like Bitcoin. if anyone knows jp Morgan, would know the controversy he made, he said he did not like cryptocurrency but he turned out to invest in ZCASH.
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September 13, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
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I've read some similar news about this (china and their regulations) - and this is make me bored - But I always thought this is a natural thing and didn't make a big problem. We must remember that cryptocurrency is not only for China.
ICO is not the key to victory for Bitcoin. ICO is just a facility to add new coins in crypto. All countries are doing it, and this is a sign that belief in crypto is real.
If China forbids ICO, then this is a big problem for the freedom of crypto in China.
I do not care about China, just so many people panicked so BTC haga depressed.
This world does not belong to China.

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September 20, 2017, 04:25:32 AM
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with the prohibition of ico in the country, there must be a background that is the reason the government did it. all done to protect his people from irresponsible parties.

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