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 May 27, 2013, 01:35:18 AM

See previous message dooglus!

We will not respond to you again... period!

However just this once yes the penny finally dropped but then you're not the brightest spark I've come across in my time and I suggest you don't gamble at all because discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!

- SkullCard

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 May 27, 2013, 01:50:50 AM

We will not respond to you again... period!

So I get the last word?

discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!

Unfortunately, those are my strong points.  You should see how much I suck at the other stuff!

I'm pretty good at math.  You seem to be confusing the odds of 20 reds in a row (1 in 1813779) with the odds of losing 20 bets on red in a row (1 in 615124).  You don't need 20 reds in a row to lose 20 bets on black in a row, because you lose on zero too.  It's surprising that the zero makes such a difference, but it does:

Code:
>>> 1 / ((18/37)**20)
1813779.041599674

>>> 1 / ((19/37)**20)
615123.7029410427

You realise of course that the sequence 1, 1, 21, 21, 9, 9 is exactly as likely as every other sequence of 6 numbers, right?  And that I was being facetious?  Maybe not.  I wouldn't really suggest banning certainly 'bad patterns' from your casino.  That could be considered cheating, and people might make bad threads about you.

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 May 27, 2013, 02:00:38 AM

Good luck in your new venture.
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 May 27, 2013, 02:02:46 AM

Good luck in your new venture.

Thank you very much it's nice to hear positive compliments and dooglus go and troll somewhere else you've been asked three times now here's your statistics and you are wrong as usual! http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php

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 May 27, 2013, 02:10:34 AM

go and troll somewhere else you've been asked three times now here's your statistics and you are wrong as usual! http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php

Your unique combination of rudeness, sloppiness, and lack of reading comprehension makes you one of the least qualified people to be doing PR for a new casino IMHO.

Good luck with it though.

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 May 27, 2013, 02:20:33 AM

go and troll somewhere else you've been asked three times now here's your statistics and you are wrong as usual! http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php

Your unique combination of rudeness, sloppiness, and lack of reading comprehension makes you one of the least qualified people to be doing PR for a new casino IMHO.

Good luck with it though.

dooglus it's fair to say and anyone here will agree that you are an extremely annoying individual and I am not doing "PR" for anything, we are not into being trolled and require no advice from you, unlike bitZino and people here can see you for what you are.

We are business people who will provide a pleasant, safe and most of all legal environment for people to play games using crypto currencies however on a personal level I don't tolerate trolls and dismiss them which it is clear that is what you are hence you will be ignored by us as of now just as you are by Bit777 and Strike Sapphire so good luck with your "provably fair" casino we have no more time for your continuous trolling we are busy.

You will be ignored from now on go and find something better to do with your time, perhaps gambling at bitZino might be something you could do instead of bother me for a change with useless "information" and criticism which is neither asked for nor welcome.

Thank you!

SkullCard
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 May 27, 2013, 03:12:33 AM

I wish you good fortune in your new venture!
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 May 27, 2013, 04:18:21 AM

dooglus it's fair to say and anyone here will agree that you are an extremely annoying individual...

SkullCard... I'm going to offer you some friendly professional advice. Dooglus is one of the most well-respected community members here, especially when it comes to gambling.  He's been a tireless and extremely helpful contributor. You might want to be more humble, polite, and respectful to him.

Coming in here with big claims and grand plans may get you noticed by some noobs, but you won't make friends with the people who matter.

you're not the brightest spark I've come across in my time and I suggest you don't gamble at all because discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!

Actually, those are exactly his strong points.
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 May 27, 2013, 04:23:10 AM

This is a load of rubbish. As a winning player on Bitzino, I can verify that their provably system is completely flawless and transparent.

Your unfairly accusing them with no real evidence. This thread should be locked.

I have a feeling you have stepped into the Bitcoin community in the complete wrong manner. This won't get you anywhere other than pissing people off. No one around here likes a sook, especially a sook with no evidence.

I recommend starting off on a new note. Even if you have the greatest site technology and design wise, your going to get no where with that attitude.

Best of luck none the less.
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 May 27, 2013, 04:58:17 AM

This is a load of rubbish. As a winning player on Bitzino, I can verify that their provably system is completely flawless and transparent.

Your unfairly accusing them with no real evidence. This thread should be locked.

I have a feeling you have stepped into the Bitcoin community in the complete wrong manner. This won't get you anywhere other than pissing people off. No one around here likes a sook, especially a sook with no evidence.

I recommend starting off on a new note. Even if you have the greatest site technology and design wise, your going to get no where with that attitude.

Best of luck none the less.

You've had luck congratulations I suggest you quit while you're ahead however the transparency of their operation is clear for those to see and speaking like that you sound as though you're a shill for bitZino and furthermore nowhere is one word.

Thanks for the advice however we don't require any from yourself thanks all the same and remember Vegas wasn't built on winners and actually was founded by criminals much like bitZino.

Cheers but we have gotten plenty far without needing to suck up to anybody and we will operate VISA, Skrill, ClickPay, Neteller, MasterCard, Moneybooker, WebMoney and many others, BTC's will simply be another manner with which to fund your account and thus we won't be solely relying on the BTC community for our income and furthermore will be TST and eCOGRA accredited meaning our games are genuinely provably fair and overseen by a third party.

Your comment shows no comprehension for the insidious nature of web gambling and the industry as a whole and one only need look on casinomeister.com to understand their are far more rogues than there are honest practitioners in this business and many with sites far superior to bitZino so at the risk of repeating myself we don't need the BTC community we are providing it with a service it sorely needs and if you build it they will come so the saying goes and this thread has had much more positive people than one and now two negative individuals.

Good luck I would quit while you're ahead but if by luck you mean you've won a few BTC's I would not call that luck in the true sense of the word and they are well known among the gambling community that has used them to be rigged. If you have won several hundred BTC's or more then I would consider that good luck.

We will not be restricted to 25BTC Blacjack hands and 100BTC table limits though either on top of having the best tech and platforms in the business. We will be able to accommodate the highest of high rollers and furthermore will bring more light to Bitcoin with the mainstream gambling world and therefore increasing the value of BTC's all round that in my personal opinion are somewhat overpriced considering there's better, faster and more crypto's appearing everyday that the only thing giving Bitcoin it's current market value is it was first the first of it's kind to exist and are artificially kept high through their exclusivity of MTGOX.

As with all things to be first of their kind we expect there may come a time it is superseded by something else at which point we may or may not keep it as a viable payment option and will adapt our site's payment methods as necessary, because in much the same way that people are gambling on our site we too are taking the gamble that they won't be worth something one day and worth half or less the next as has been known to happen. Considering our patrons who are verified will have the option to cashout in USD, Pound Sterling, Euro's and many others we hope people appreciate this is why no other major sites such as 32RED or Bet365 have taken them on so we hope the BTC community appreciates the fact we are gambling somewhat here too since we don't have the option to convert back to fiat currency instantly the quantity of BTC's and LTC's we are required to keep on hand for immediate payouts and could potentially lose tens of millions if the market crashes.

Personally I wish I had chosen the self moderate option on this thread so I could clean it up myself but we appreciate the tersely spoken words of good faith however the sincerity behind them are a different matter altogether.

Cheers anyway - SkullCard
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 May 27, 2013, 05:11:55 AM

This is a load of rubbish. As a winning player on Bitzino, I can verify that their provably system is completely flawless and transparent.

Your unfairly accusing them with no real evidence. This thread should be locked.

I have a feeling you have stepped into the Bitcoin community in the complete wrong manner. This won't get you anywhere other than pissing people off. No one around here likes a sook, especially a sook with no evidence.

I recommend starting off on a new note. Even if you have the greatest site technology and design wise, your going to get no where with that attitude.

Best of luck none the less.

You've had luck congratulations I suggest you quit while you're ahead however the transparency of their operation is clear for those to see and speaking like that you sound as though you're a shill for bitZino and furthermore nowhere is one word.

Thanks for the advice however we don't require any from yourself thanks all the same and remember Vegas wasn't built on winners and actually was founded by criminals much like bitZino.

Cheers but we have gotten plenty far without needing to suck up to anybody and we will operate VISA, Skrill, ClickPay, Neteller, MasterCard, Moneybooker, WebMoney and many others, BTC's will simply be another manner with which to fund your account and thus we won't be solely relying on the BTC community for our income and furthermore will be TST and eCOGRA accredited meaning our games are genuinely provably fair and overseen by a third party.

Your comment shows no comprehension for the insidious nature of web gambling and the industry as a whole and one only need look on casinomeister.com to understand their are far more rogues than there are honest practitioners in this business and many with sites far superior to bitZino so at the risk of repeating myself we don't need the BTC community we are providing it with a service it sorely needs and if you build it they will come so the saying goes and this thread has had much more positive people than one and now two negative individuals.

Good luck I would quit while you're ahead but if by luck you mean you've won a few BTC's I would not call that luck in the true sense of the word and they are well known among the gambling community that has used them to be rigged. If you have won several hundred BTC's or more then I would consider that good luck.

We will not be restricted to 25BTC Blacjack hands and 100BTC table limits though either on top of having the best tech and platforms in the business. We will be able to accommodate the highest of high rollers and furthermore will bring more light to Bitcoin with the mainstream gambling world and therefore increasing the value of BTC's all round that in my personal opinion are somewhat overpriced considering there's better, faster and more crypto's appearing everyday that the only thing giving Bitcoin it's current market value is it was first the first of it's kind to exist and are artificially kept high through their exclusivity of MTGOX.

As with all things to be first of their kind we expect there may come a time it is superseded by something else at which point we may or may not keep it as a viable payment option and will adapt our site's payment methods as necessary, because in much the same way that people are gambling on our site we too are taking the gamble that they won't be worth something one day and worth half or less the next as has been known to happen. Considering our patrons who are verified will have the option to cashout in USD, Pound Sterling, Euro's and many others we hope people appreciate this is why no other major sites such as 32RED or Bet365 have taken them on so we hope the BTC community appreciates the fact we are gambling somewhat here too since we don't have the option to convert back to fiat currency instantly the quantity of BTC's and LTC's we are required to keep on hand for immediate payouts and could potentially lose tens of millions if the market crashes.

Personally I wish I had chosen the self moderate option on this thread so I could clean it up myself but we appreciate the tersely spoken words of good faith however the sincerity behind them are a different matter altogether.

Cheers anyway - SkullCard

Do you even have any sort of provably fair system planned? I have a feeling your going to make all these accusations then simply expect people to go off your word that you're provably fair.

Your still missing the concept of this idea as well. It's impossible to manipulate without risking being caught. Bitzino wouldn't do that, and even if they did, they would have been caught by now. But nop, they haven't.

Your one of the most arrogant people I have ever come across in this forum. Your going to FAIL when it comes to business in this sector. You better hope your Mastercard/Visa/Other dirty fiat payment methods are successful.
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 May 27, 2013, 05:25:49 AM

I am not going to argue with you buddy, you have been warned out of sheer generosity of our not wishing to see you lose your money unfairly, and disproven that your mathematical skills aren't up to par and anyone would think you work for bitZino the way you go on.

However more than likely it is because they are the only website with no moral scruples and will take your money I am inclined to believe Josh before yourself I'm afraid just like my genuine statistics and odds over your... I don't how you came up with those odds, but they are incorrect as is your misplaced faith in someone who takes your belongings without any moral scruples and breaks US Federal Law in order to do so which should speak volumes in itself.

Good day dooglus!

*Edit: I will say that if you think 3800BTC's is \$380,000 you should go back to sophomore math class and start again!

I don't generally like to get in-between arguments. I haven't ever found myself in a position where I felt strongly enough to circle a specific person out on this forum, however you've crossed the line.

It's good that you have an ambitious project and are sharing it with us, however you have immediately lost my respect. Dooglus is one of if not THE most respected member of the gambling community on here and as Erik mentioned, anyone who matters will take offense to what you've said. Instead of working with the advice Dooglus provided, you instead chose to rudely and unprofessionally argue against it. You don't have the proper attitude to run a successful casino in my opinion. I suggest you return with a more open mind, I wish you good luck with your endeavor assuming you do so.

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 May 27, 2013, 05:42:30 AM

I am not going to argue with you buddy, you have been warned out of sheer generosity of our not wishing to see you lose your money unfairly, and disproven that your mathematical skills aren't up to par and anyone would think you work for bitZino the way you go on.

However more than likely it is because they are the only website with no moral scruples and will take your money I am inclined to believe Josh before yourself I'm afraid just like my genuine statistics and odds over your... I don't how you came up with those odds, but they are incorrect as is your misplaced faith in someone who takes your belongings without any moral scruples and breaks US Federal Law in order to do so which should speak volumes in itself.

Good day dooglus!

*Edit: I will say that if you think 3800BTC's is \$380,000 you should go back to sophomore math class and start again!

I don't generally like to get in-between arguments. I haven't ever found myself in a position where I felt strongly enough to circle a specific person out on this forum, however you've crossed the line.

It's good that you have an ambitious project and are sharing it with us, however you have immediately lost my respect. Dooglus is one of if not THE most respected member of the gambling community on here and as Erik mentioned, anyone who matters will take offense to what you've said. Instead of working with the advice Dooglus provided, you instead chose to rudely and unprofessionally argue against it. You don't have the proper attitude to run a successful casino in my opinion. I suggest you return with a more open mind, I wish you good luck with your endeavor assuming you do so.

I'm not even going to respond to your attempt to intercede however thank you for the kind words and as for the issue of proof of fairness I suggest you Google eCOGRA and TST certification and what it takes to get them.

Our business will speak for itself and you're welcome to not sign up that's fine, but if you want superior service and quality then by all means do.

If you take a business in violation of the law's word of fairness then please continue to use them if you're happy, but there are many who are not and they will be our customers and we will keep them happy.

I will not be dragged into another debate one in this thread with is than enough and I tried to end that well before being goaded into an argument I never asked for but was forced into and attempted to end on the first page.

I don't need advice from someone who has admitted they no nothing about setting up or running a casino and another who's never heard of eCOGRA.

Cheers - SkullCard
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 May 27, 2013, 06:08:39 AM

While I don't know very much about the fairness stuff, I do know that the negative attitude expressed by CasinoSupportTeam toward another poster makes me not want to give the site my business. Seriously, you're trying to sell something, handle your critics with a little more class if you want to increase your customer base. Hint: Good support teams don't accuse critics of being butt-hurt.

What if I have a legitimate complaint? Will I be blown off and insulted, as well? Better I don't put my money on so I never have to find out.
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 May 27, 2013, 06:22:43 AM

While I don't know very much about the fairness stuff, I do know that the negative attitude expressed by CasinoSupportTeam toward another poster makes me not want to give the site my business. Seriously, you're trying to sell something, handle your critics with a little more class if you want to increase your customer base. Hint: Good support teams don't accuse critics of being butt-hurt.

What if I have a legitimate complaint? Will I be blown off and insulted, as well? Better I don't put my money on so I never have to find out.

Considering this is your first post it means little but you are welcome not to join that is your decision but as previously stated we are obligated under law and our systems are TST and eCOGRA certified.

Your questions or complaints will be handled by our support team should you need anything done with due diligence and efficiency and you will not be "blown off" as we will not be able to legally operate for long and be left open to losing our license and eCOGRA rating also.

There's a difference between my personally addressing an individual and our entire company and support staff.

I would like to re-iterate you will not be dealing with myself personally I just came on here to announce our imminent arrival and wanted to know an opinion on conversion methods for payment that people would prefer us to implement into our systems which nobody has given me an answer for yet and I am at the point of asking admin to close this thread.

I was dragged into a debate about numerous things I did not wish to continue discussing and was trolled and when you have had no sleep because of work related stress and other issues that will not be named here, the last thing you need is an uppity know it all trying to denigrate your claims after themselves being continually proven to be inaccurate and false and eventually my patience wears thin when someone is being incredibly irritating.

As I said, you have made one post, this one, I am tempted to dismiss it as another attempt at trolling us but for now I will reply that I have said all that needs to be said and furthermore "butt-hurt" is a figure of speech that clearly you understood what was meant by it and contained no profanity so myself I see no problem with it's use in common vernacular.

Thanks!

SkullCard
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 May 27, 2013, 06:38:46 AM

dooglus it's fair to say and anyone here will agree that you are an extremely annoying individual...

SkullCard... I'm going to offer you some friendly professional advice. Dooglus is one of the most well-respected community members here, especially when it comes to gambling.  He's been a tireless and extremely helpful contributor. You might want to be more humble, polite, and respectful to him.

Coming in here with big claims and grand plans may get you noticed by some noobs, but you won't make friends with the people who matter.

you're not the brightest spark I've come across in my time and I suggest you don't gamble at all because discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!

Actually, those are exactly his strong points.

Okay, first of all referring to some people as n00bs and others as "people who matter" is a form of elitism I don't even wish to partake in as a persons length of time here does not matter one way or another to myself except if they're a shill account. Anyone's welcome at our casino provided they're non-US customers because we don't want to break US Federal law unlike the casino he has debated me about and furthermore I am at the point of not giving two hoots what someone who thinks they know what they are talking about tries to give advice on things of which they have admitted to having no idea about since we will have tried and tested everything and will not require someone such as dooglus who admits to losing there frequently to point the shortcommings of our platform out for all to see.

2nd, those are NOT his strong points as one need only to see by his factually inaccurate statements.

I appreciate you may feel this way but I personally don't care what he has contributed as you claim because he hasn't contributed anything to myself but a headache.

Cheers for the friendly advice though and the cordial manner of your tone though.

Regards - SkullCard
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 May 27, 2013, 07:38:13 AM

Number of posts matter:

Considering this is your first post it means little

but...

a persons length of time here does not matter one way or another to myself except if they're a shill account.

All are welcome:

Anyone's welcome at our casino provided they're non-US customers

except wait:

just as those other two casinos banned you we have also before we've even launched

dooglus who admits to losing there frequently

Lies.  I don't lose there.  Never said I do.

to point the shortcommings of our platform out for all to see.

I doubt you have a 'platform'.  How can I point out 'shortcommings' (you correct Zaih's one typo when your posts are almost illegible?) in something I've no knowledge of?

his factually inaccurate statements.

Name ONE!

I appreciate you may feel this way but I personally don't care what he has contributed as you claim because he hasn't contributed anything to myself but a headache.

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 May 27, 2013, 07:44:36 AM

Considering this is your first post it means little but you are welcome not to join that is your decision but as previously stated we are obligated under law and our systems are TST and eCOGRA certified.

It may be my first post, but I guarantee you my money spends just as well as someone with 1000.

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As I said, you have made one post, this one, I am tempted to dismiss it as another attempt at trolling us but for now I will reply that I have said all that needs to be said and furthermore "butt-hurt" is a figure of speech that clearly you understood what was meant by it and contained no profanity so myself I see no problem with it's use in common vernacular.

I know exactly what it means, and it's not overly offensive, I'll give you that. You could have said way worse. That being said, I might call my friends butt-hurt from time to time to mess with them, but I will never use that term with a client. It's unprofessional and a bit childish, hence I only reserve the term for friends and other extremely casual conversations.

Perhaps you are just the owners buddy trying to drum up some business, perhaps you are an affiliate, perhaps you are employed by them. I don't know, but in none of those circumstances will being unprofessional help you achieve your goals to any great degree.

By the way, I am not trolling, I am just giving you some objective feedback. I'm not mad, or butt-hurt, whatever, nothing like that. I just think that as someone who is essentially asking people to pay money (casino gambling is always -EV assuming the casino doesn't hate money) to play with them, you could approach criticism and feedback with a little more grace.
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 May 27, 2013, 07:47:32 AM

Sounds great - I will be use it

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 May 27, 2013, 08:18:58 AM

Considering this is your first post it means little but you are welcome not to join that is your decision but as previously stated we are obligated under law and our systems are TST and eCOGRA certified.

It may be my first post, but I guarantee you my money spends just as well as someone with 1000.

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As I said, you have made one post, this one, I am tempted to dismiss it as another attempt at trolling us but for now I will reply that I have said all that needs to be said and furthermore "butt-hurt" is a figure of speech that clearly you understood what was meant by it and contained no profanity so myself I see no problem with it's use in common vernacular.

I know exactly what it means, and it's not overly offensive, I'll give you that. You could have said way worse. That being said, I might call my friends butt-hurt from time to time to mess with them, but I will never use that term with a client. It's unprofessional and a bit childish, hence I only reserve the term for friends and other extremely casual conversations.

Perhaps you are just the owners buddy trying to drum up some business, perhaps you are an affiliate, perhaps you are employed by them. I don't know, but in none of those circumstances will being unprofessional help you achieve your goals to any great degree.

By the way, I am not trolling, I am just giving you some objective feedback. I'm not mad, or butt-hurt, whatever, nothing like that. I just think that as someone who is essentially asking people to pay money (casino gambling is always -EV assuming the casino doesn't hate money) to play with them, you could approach criticism and feedback with a little more grace.

dooglus was never a client, he's a troll and still trying to troll as you can see.

I am part owner, I never said you were butt-hurt but you should be able to see clearly, he is.

I don't have a problem with constructive criticism at all, we are open to feedback and if you read what I had said we wanted feedback on a specific issue to which nobody has responded.

I dislike trolls as you can see he has been told to take a hike and continues with his endeavor and nothing he says or does is constructive with regards to our business as we are not some amateurish company in need of continual correction on the issues to do with our site but we are open to suggestions such as the previous comment regarding SportsBet.

There's a difference between my own personal opinion and should not be taken out of context as the rest of our company doesn't know dooglus exists I just find him, again this is my personal opinion, to be a grovelling little weasel that continues to annoy me as best he can but is since being ignored as previously stated numerous messages ago.

You are welcome to sign up and we will have a free play feature that applies to all our games except for live tables for the obvious reasons to allow you to get acquired with our site and games so you can know them well before you ever play them for real monies.

Any other questions you have please feel free to address me regarding them and I will do my best to answer them but I would like to stress I am neither our customer support despite the account name it will be used by our team when we are fully operational and any views I express are solely my own and furthermore I am not our tech team either so anything regarding that beyond my ability to answer will be forwarded to them and they can come on here and address them for you when they get time.

Every VIP will have their own personal gaming manager and you will be attended to well you can be assured of that with free gifts and special prizes for people who qualify for this category after depositing \$4,000 with us you are a VIP for life whether you win or lose.

As previously expressed I am not trying to drum up business I don't care if you join up or not that will have to be a decision made by yourself we will not pressure you or sell you false dreams just facts.

Thanks for your feedback - SkullCard

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