Gameristo..what are you doing, bro?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I did a PayPal deal with gameristo a couple of weeks back.  My bitcoin for his PayPal.

He sent the PayPal funds through two different accounts, which I found suspicious.  The accounts had different names.

Then today, he sent $170 PayPal which I did not request, from yet another PayPal address,along with this PM:

Hello Friend

now I have got 380 USD paypal balance in new paypal account so I sent you some funds as below
You've sent 170,00 USD to belowthepovertyline@gmail.com

please accept payment even if you have NO any more coins right now and I am fine to wait some days like 2 to 5 days or bit more time before you able to pay back me any coins also its fine if you can pay back me in parts like 0.015 or 0.02 btc each time etc'

and remember that I always fully responsible for my any paypal payments and some time my sender paypal change but still 100% clean legit funds and I always ready refund back ur coins if even any issue you found in my payment

so please DO NOT refund and just keep or use funds yourself or cash out to your bank etc and I can wait until you able to pay back me coins

you can transfer back coins in parts to my old one btc wallet address as mention in my profile

please first update me or ask me before do any action about paypal payment accept or refund etc and do not do any action so fast without asking me first

waiting for your friendly response back

Regards

I bolded the above part.  I then sent him this PM:

Please don't send money to me again without a prior deal. 

I don't have $170 in bitcoin at the moment, since I just bought something with what I had.

I will send what you sent me right back to the account it came from.

And I did refund the $170 right back to the address he sent it from.  If I was computer-competent enough to know how to do a screenshot I would include it here. 

I don't want to be involved in any money laundering, which is why I'm not sending the money to another address.  I'm not calling him a scammer, but this is bizarre behavior at best.

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[subSTRATA]

he's sent me messages as well, even after explicitly stating that I didn't need a trade. I've left a screenshot as reference to a rating on his profile of the message he sent me if you care to see. seems like he does this with everybody though, judging from the ratings on his profile.
also for screenshots, try out sharex, makes it real simple and uploads them to imgur for you as well.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

he's sent me messages as well, even after explicitly stating that I didn't need a trade. I've left a screenshot as reference to a rating on his profile of the message he sent me if you care to see. seems like he does this with everybody though, judging from the ratings on his profile.
also for screenshots, try out sharex, makes it real simple and uploads them to imgur for you as well.

I haven't even looked at his feedback lately.  I did figure I wasn't the only one he was spamming with requests.

I have a concern about the multiple PayPal accounts and why anyone in their right mind would send PP funds without any agreement being made beforehand.

Right now I'm not concerned about the screenshot thing, as he's not claiming I never returned the funds and hopefully he'll come here to verify it.

The whole situation is bizarre.

[magneto]

I personally find this sort of activity extremely shady.

He is most likely using Stealth paypal accounts as well which means you never are trading with his main account. It seems dodgy that he is trying to do payments from two accounts, instead of one as well.

Seems like he has done the same sort of thing to what1005: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1992018.msg21780947#msg21780947

Thankfully i didn't trade with him. I was going to contact him and look for a deal but decided against it when i saw his post history. Be extra careful with PP, man.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Let me get this straight,the accused is sending  free money to everyone ? I read the bold part that says "Please do not refund",I don't use paypal and don't know how it works but giving free money does seem suspicious to me.I don't know money laundering defines the case at it's best.

[subSTRATA]

Let me get this straight,the accused is sending  free money to everyone ? I read the bold part that says "Please do not refund",I don't use paypal and don't know how it works but giving free money does seem suspicious to me.I don't know money laundering defines the case at it's best.

i think this may have just been onf off case involving the pharmacist, but then again, I could be wrong. the main problem is that the user is extremely insistent on paypal trades and going as far as to force them on people, as was in this case here. in my instance, i informed the user that I did not need a bitcoin -> paypal trade any longer, in reference to a thread I put up on the currency exchange that same day. However, even after being informed that i did not need a trade, gameristo either did not understand what 'no' meant or decided to attempt to push a deal onto me, asking for my paypal email address and saying 'ill send first, you dont even have to send me bitcoin for a few days.' other than the fact that this reeks of trust farming, it's just shady, given that he's using multiple paypal accounts and going as far as to force a deal onto someone. the fact that he's willing to just send money without any promise or deal for compensation, along with his using of multiple accounts, leads me to believe these paypal accounts may be stolen / hacked, and they might just be looking for a quick cashout.

I have a concern about the multiple PayPal accounts and why anyone in their right mind would send PP funds without any agreement being made beforehand.
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The whole situation is bizarre.

[Timelord2067]

News just in from gameristo's Trust Wall:

[img width=800]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob1fb313eb8a386fac.jpeg[/img]

[img width=800]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob54b3b6cf6a390ece.jpeg[/img]

[img width=800]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob4e3a122a31dadfa2.jpeg[/img]

I've just made a connection between humbertdice and previous scammer alts ( Humbertin ... et al) so add more self vouching to the list of things this scammer's done.

gameristo seems to be staying under the radar just enough to give (or receive) trust to others who are actually alts...

[xypos]

He's definitely not doing this just to you but rather a whole range of people including what1005.

It seems like he is trying to get rid of his Paypal funds as soon as possible, and using multiple accounts to do it. He is definitely doing some shady stuff, and definitely violating paypal terms and conditions as they actually don't allow two personal accounts at one time owned by one person.

Hopefully he does not chargeback anything...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hopefully he does not chargeback anything...

Yeah, no kidding.  That's what I'm worried about.  That and the fact that he's shown me he has at least three different PayPal accounts he uses.  I removed the positive trust I left him from the first deal we did.  Even though it went smoothly, I wouldn't deal with him again and would recommend anyone else think twice before doing so.

[xypos]

Hopefully he does not chargeback anything...

Yeah, no kidding.  That's what I'm worried about.  That and the fact that he's shown me he has at least three different PayPal accounts he uses.  I removed the positive trust I left him from the first deal we did.  Even though it went smoothly, I wouldn't deal with him again and would recommend anyone else think twice before doing so.

Looked through his exchange thread and this person seems to be an alt of his: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=653533. This user was the first person that replied on his exchange thread, and he basically uses the exact same grammar. He also got negged for using paypal stealth accounts.

Using multiple accounts isn't even the major issue here, but he seems to be an endless supply of paypal funds.

And plus he seems to not want to hold these funds... Please nobody deal with him and DT member should tag him.

[Vod]

Hopefully he does not chargeback anything...

Yeah, no kidding.  That's what I'm worried about.  That and the fact that he's shown me he has at least three different PayPal accounts he uses.  I removed the positive trust I left him from the first deal we did.  Even though it went smoothly, I wouldn't deal with him again and would recommend anyone else think twice before doing so.

I think you are going to get hit with chargebacks (can happen up to six months (180 days) later) once the account owners discover the hack.  :/

[Timelord2067]

Looked through his exchange thread and this person seems to be an alt of his: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=653533. This user was the first person that replied on his exchange thread, and he basically uses the exact same grammar. He also got negged for using paypal stealth accounts.

Using multiple accounts isn't even the major issue here, but he seems to be an endless supply of paypal funds.

And plus he seems to not want to hold these funds... Please nobody deal with him and DT member should tag him.

If btclight is indeed gameristo, (and by extension Humbertin etc) then their own last active dates cross confirm:

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25 June 2017, 01:49:36 Last Active: 		ser1ck u=524606 http://archive.is/1H3aQ
25 June 2017, 02:03:10 Last Active: 		polloptc u=553006 http://archive.is/dTuLI
27 June 2017, 14:21:51 Last Active: 		ExchangerPeru u=739810 http://archive.is/6qCp8
27 June 2017, 14:47:17 Last Active: 		rechargeppwithbtc u=887324 http://archive.is/ExIIF

05 July 2017, 00:07:44 Last Active: 		Humbertin19_ u=726260 http://archive.is/ekHDH
06 July 2017, 19:21:25 Last Active: 		Champion Of PvP Humb u=798472 http://archive.is/32zko
06 July 2017, 22:00:46 Last Active: 		HumberDice u=951868 http://archive.is/qhiEg
06 July 2017, 22:00:09 Date Registered: 	HumberRoll u=1056284 http://archive.is/vuBHJ

22 July 2017, 02:42:25 Last Active: 		DavidThomas u=954849 http://archive.is/v2bmo

29 July 2017, 22:03:38 Last Active: 		DavidXXXX u=875854 http://archive.is/4tMcn
30 July 2017, 13:55:40 Last Active: 		HumberRoll u=1056284 http://archive.is/vuBHJ
30 July 2017, 19:52:35 Last Active: 		cryptonauten u=978923 http://archive.is/kHn2o

14 August 2017, 01:08:25 Date Registered: 	  	HumbertDice u=1106392

btclight: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=653533;sa=showPosts;start=0

07 September 2017, 15:03:54 posts three times
29 July 2017, 13:27:42 posts twice
24 July 2017, 16:47:59 posts four times
05 July 2017, 21:28:57 posts twice
13 June 2017, 19:06:57 posts six times
05 June 2017, 15:18:45  posts twice

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04 February 2017, 22:20:13 Date Registered: 	HumberDice u=951868 http://archive.is/qhiEg

11 February 2017, 05:25:36 Date Registered: 	DavidThomas u=954849 http://archive.is/v2bmo

02 March 2017, 22:01:59 Date Registered: 	DavidGermany u=963644 http://archive.is/wL7iJ

04 April 2017, 03:24:33 Date Registered: 	cryptonauten u=978923 http://archive.is/kHn2o

07 April 2017, 10:15:11 Last Active: 		DavidGermany u=963644 http://archive.is/wL7iJ

10 April 2017, 09:32:42 Last Active: 		cryptonaut420 u=368452 http://archive.is/N9r1P

13 April 2017, 21:36:52 posts once
31 January 2017, 16:13:09 posts five times
23 January 2017, 14:01:16 posts four times
16 December 2016, 16:17:37 posts twice

[xypos]

This person is still doing business and constantly bumping his thread up. Seems like he still has a lot of paypal left for trading that could potentially come from fraudulent sources. Plus, he is evading this accusation entirely as well which basically proves that he is nervous about answering this.

A warning trust should at least be put on his trust page.

OP, hopefully no chargebacks yet?

[bitcoin revo]

OP, hopefully no chargebacks yet?

Not OP, but I've dealt with gameristo in a similar fashion as The Pharmacist has and there have been no chargebacks yet.

It's been 12 days since the original accusation was posted. I'll send gameristo a PM directing his attention here, but I'm sure that other members have already done so. IMO, a negative rep as a warning is in order if the Pharmacist sent him a PM when he created this thread and gameristo hasn't had any reply.

[gameristo]

OP, hopefully no chargebacks yet?

Not OP, but I've dealt with gameristo in a similar fashion as The Pharmacist has and there have been no chargebacks yet.

It's been 12 days since the original accusation was posted. I'll send gameristo a PM directing his attention here, but I'm sure that other members have already done so. IMO, a negative rep as a warning is in order if the Pharmacist sent him a PM when he created this thread and gameristo hasn't had any reply.

thanks bitcoin revo for private message and inform about this topic

sorry for some of guys feel not good as I was sent message about exchange

I already explain on this forum 3 years ago all about my paypal funds and traded already here from 3 years and some time change paypal account and traded with many trusted members on this forum and still NO any complains or no one got any charge backs or etc

I sent many payments years ago on this fourm trusted members and after 2 years still never got any issue or problem or charge backs in payments

and paypal funds always clean legit and all funds Never come from bank or credit card but always from paypal balance

I was sent advance money to an guy as was traded with them already but once they inform that they can not accept then I was told them just issue refund back paypal so there is nothing wrong here and even I ready to proof to forum members "subSTRATA" and "Pharmacist" and again ready you guy some paypal funds now and just ready wait you guys for full 180 days before you pay back me any money so sounds fair now?

tell me and I will send money now without escrow and will forget for 180 days ok??

I even some forum members still own my money and still never paid back me
like forum member "snerrad: I was trust them and sent 140 USD paypal and now 2 months passed and still no reply from him

[gameristo]

News just in from gameristo's Trust Wall:







I've just made a connection between humbertdice and previous scammer alts ( Humbertin ... et al) so add more self vouching to the list of things this scammer's done.

gameristo seems to be staying under the radar just enough to give (or receive) trust to others who are actually alts...

and Timelord2067

I was replied to your previous thread already but you was never replied

I never belong to above mention forum member and traded here from 3 years with many trusted members including ghibly79 Bitrent and others smoothly and still NO any issue in payments

I was traded small amount 10 usd with calcoin and can show paypal transfer proof as well as coin received proof`

[gameristo]

Hopefully he does not chargeback anything...

Yeah, no kidding.  That's what I'm worried about.  That and the fact that he's shown me he has at least three different PayPal accounts he uses.  I removed the positive trust I left him from the first deal we did.  Even though it went smoothly, I wouldn't deal with him again and would recommend anyone else think twice before doing so.

I think you are going to get hit with chargebacks (can happen up to six months (180 days) later) once the account owners discover the hack.  :/

Vod I traded here from 3 years and was sent payments 2 years ago and still never got any issue or charge backs
paypal funds clean and Never got via credit card or bank and its from paypal balance

Vod I also can send you some paypal funds now and can wait full 180 days to proof that funds will never got any charge backs

and also always ready to refund back coins if ever found any issue in payment

thanks

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Gameristo, I stopped short of calling you a scammer or money launderer.  I'm not necessarily worried about a chargeback, because you do have an extensive history of successful trades.

There's two things about this: First, you are sending money to a person unsolicited, and second you're using PayPal accounts with different names.  That second part to me is very shady.  And it puts me in an awkward position and makes me do transactions I don't want to do.  

Can you please verify here that you received the $170 back from me?  And I didn't understand what you said about refunding you.  I was under the impression that you wanted to be contacted first before refunding to the same address, which is exactly what I did.

OP, hopefully no chargebacks yet?

Nope, not yet.

[gameristo]

Gameristo, I stopped short of calling you a scammer or money launderer.  I'm not necessarily worried about a chargeback, because you do have an extensive history of successful trades.

There's two things about this: First, you are sending money to a person unsolicited, and second you're using PayPal accounts with different names.  That second part to me is very shady.  And it puts me in an awkward position and makes me do transactions I don't want to do.  

Can you please verify here that you received the $170 back from me?  And I didn't understand what you said about refunding you.  I was under the impression that you wanted to be contacted first before refunding to the same address, which is exactly what I did.

OP, hopefully no chargebacks yet?

Nope, not yet.

very thanks The Pharmacist for reply back here

okay I fully understood your concern

yes its my mistake to send you funds advance without askinbg y first but I did it as we traded already 166 paypal so was think that you may be accept funds if send you without asking as we traded already but ok I was wrong that its not good to send funds fast even without asking first

yes I was fine to refund back paypal funds to same sender paypal account as was transferred from and nothing problem with this

yes right I already received back full 170 amount refund in paypal from you

about paypal account so I explain it already 3 years ago on this forum, yes some times paypal account change as work freelancer and mostly received funds only in paypal and need get new paypal
but still nothing wrong and I still can able to transactions from old one paypal account as well

thanks

[gameristo]

I seen profile feed back and seen that forum members "Zepher", "EcuaMobi" ,"Vod" and subSTRATA submitted wrong feed back to my profile without any proper reasons

so I now offering all you guys that provide your paypal id and I ready send you guys some paypal funds as GIFT payment and ready wait full 180 days before you pay back even 1 cent of coins

I am waiting for you all guys now

if you NOT accept my offer then please remove your wrong feed backs from my profile as if you want me proof my paypal funds then I ready send first without escrow and willing to wait full 180 days

no one even can beat this offer on this forum as I am sure that No one ever willing to wait 180 days long time for get back btc

waiting for you guys now