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September 18, 2017, 04:43:51 AM
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The last time I check the CEO was giving bad words to Bitcoin and call their employees who buy Bitcoin as stupid people. Right now if the rumor is true he is being a big hypocrite.  That he should stand by his word which he said that it is against their code when they by Bitcoin, he should be stepping down as a CEO when proven guilty. I am not against price manipulation as many people can take advantage but what he did is lying to everyone.

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September 18, 2017, 04:57:51 AM
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with the rumors going round about JP Morgan buy a large quantity of bitcoin yesterday...i believe his statement was to manipulate the market so he can get in hard....what you this tell me
Now bitcoin price fall.but it was not this position or some days ago that  its was not good position.it was low price. slowly to be Bundi it price. so no tension bitcoin is always hero,again come to good days.

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September 18, 2017, 05:52:21 AM
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with the rumors going round about JP Morgan buy a large quantity of bitcoin yesterday...i believe his statement was to manipulate the market so he can get in hard....what you this tell me

That's quite a strategy, isn't it? I hated his harsh words pertaining to btc being a fraud and all but I don't hate him. His words (in time with the China news) may have impacted the trend in a way. But then again, if you'll notice how happy the traders are with the recent dive you'll understand. If you're a trader then this past few days are "the moment" to buy in more. And admit it or not some of us here are happy traders too who benefitted and took advantage of the moment to buy more coins to trade for the coming weeks.

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September 18, 2017, 05:54:36 AM
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I think that we are thinking to much to JP Morgan statement.
This is just an opinion, and we have read about hundreds of negative opinion on btc during the past years. But I am not scared by these words, it's like a personal opinion, there is any real influence on bitcoin.

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September 18, 2017, 06:08:44 AM
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JP Morgan didn't buy Bitcoins (at least it's not proved). All of us should read the news stories more carefull, read between the lines and analyze the content.
Just google for Bitcoin Tracker One, that's what they were buying...

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September 18, 2017, 06:16:38 AM
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I care less about what JP Morgan says or do, if an event or rumour causes a dip in Bitcoin price, the proper thing a trader should do would be to take advantage of the low prices and sell at high price. The question that should be asked is thus : What did I do when the price dipped?

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September 18, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
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That's quite a strategy, isn't it? I hated his harsh words pertaining to btc being a fraud and all but I don't hate him. His words (in time with the China news) may have impacted the trend in a way. But then again, if you'll notice how happy the traders are with the recent dive you'll understand. If you're a trader then this past few days are "the moment" to buy in more. And admit it or not some of us here are happy traders too who benefitted and took advantage of the moment to buy more coins to trade for the coming weeks.
We certainly see some recovery happening, but I am afraid that current situation might be only a first stadium of series of crashes.
The current crash was caused by JPMorgan and ICO Ban in China, but what do you think will happen after China will cease all Bitcoin to yuan trading activities?
I am worried that we will see another wave of price crashes by October's end when Huobi and OKCoin will halt trading yuan-BTC pair.
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September 18, 2017, 07:06:06 AM
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They(not only JP Morgan) do it all the time, manipulation by news(say bad things when they want to buy, then change the tone when they want to sell) and play with inside information, specially in 3rd world countries.  

Of course with bitcoin the manipulation was more explicit because there is no law against market manipulation and inside information with BTC and people know almost nothing about it, so it is easier to bullshit around and convince people.

The last days have been, let's say, didactic in this aspect.

What is surprising is how this is not illegal, I mean, it's not really surprising since these billonaires control the system itself and can always get themselves out of jail, even after scamming people billions:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/jamie-dimon-billion-dollar-secret-jp-morgan

Anyone can see how it was obvious insider trading. Im sure that Jamie Dimon's daugther had a short set before his dad went on mainstream media and scared investors off Bitcoin, then they bought it back and once again hodlers won and panic sellers lost. The only way to defeat these criminals is by never selling BTC.

Insider trading would be more like a core dev shorting Bitcoin right before a patch goes up that he knows will break it. How is Jamie Dimon an 'insider' when it comes to Bitcoin? His comments and the resulting price movement just prove that there are many people who don't really believe in Bitcoin and just want to get in for some easy money.

He knew his statements will cause a ripple affect, because he has done this before and the price dropped after he made these comments. His own daughter is involved in Bitcoin, so he might have done this to either boost her investment or to destroy it. He also threatened to fire people, if it came to light that they traded in Bitcoin.

How is this not insider trading? He knew his actions will cause people to dump coins and this will bring down the price. 

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September 18, 2017, 08:18:35 AM
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JP Morgan has a classic strategy and that is saying or telling some negative thoughts on bitcoin and he just wait for the price to comedown and when he saw some good entry for bitcoin then he just buy a lot of bitcoins in the market and keep it for long term like the other bitcoin investor and enjoy the profits of his investment in the future.

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September 18, 2017, 08:30:26 AM
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I do not know how far the rumors are correct and since the internet is crazy about making conspiracies everyday which is nothing new and they seem to spread like wildfire as any other rumor. The fact is that banks will collapse if the currency is replaced totally from fiat to bitcoin. However this is not happening anytime soon and people should not take such facts for granted every time they see something happen. Maybe he did want the market to really a bit - who knows? But this may also be just a fake news so that the people spreading them get a better social engagement. After all social engagements is what the internet runs on in today's world and not genuine news.

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September 18, 2017, 08:31:39 AM
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with the rumors going round about JP Morgan buy a large quantity of bitcoin yesterday...i believe his statement was to manipulate the market so he can get in hard....what you this tell me

Businessman doing business. This type of strategy do really work trying to put down someone or something in favor of their own interest. This is one used strategy by banks to manipulate the market somehow. Giving out statements such as Dimon did, contribute in the depreciation of value of Bitcoin so that they could bought for themselves. Hereafter buying they'd for sure release another statement to counter the first one. Definitely the price of Bitcoin would rose again, then for sure they gained more than they bargain for.

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September 18, 2017, 09:20:11 AM
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After a Few Harsh Statements from Executive Jamie Dimon, JP Morgan Ltd., and Morgan Stanley Purchase Bitcoin ETNs
According to public records of Nordnet trading logs, the two associated firms JP Morgan Securities Ltd., and Morgan Stanley bought roughly 3M euro worth of XBT note shares. Interestingly after the recent regulatory crackdown in China, and the statements from JP Morgan’s senior executive Jamie Dimon talking trash about bitcoin, his firm bought the dip on September 15. In fact, out of all the companies on the list, like Goldman Sachs and Barclays, the JP Morgan team of buyers purchased the most XBT notes.

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September 18, 2017, 09:23:11 AM
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with the rumors going round about JP Morgan buy a large quantity of bitcoin yesterday...i believe his statement was to manipulate the market so he can get in hard....what you this tell me

You can't criticise somebody for actions like this, weak hands can only blame themselves for being manipulated by what somebody else says.
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September 18, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
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Jamie Dimon has a right to say whatever he wants about Bitcoin good or bad. A bunch of you are angry at him because you are biased. One, he is a banker. Two, he said negative things about Bitcoin.

John Mcafee said one Bitcoin would be worth $500,000 by 2020. Does he really believe this or is he spreading GCA (greed, certainty, and appeal)? Nobody is getting mad at John for trying to promote Bitcoin. He has great financial incentive for this just like Jamie has financial incentive to bash it.

People are allowed to say what they want. You can hate Jamie if you want to, but it doesn't make what he did by any means, punishable or even malicious.

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September 18, 2017, 10:07:58 AM
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Jamie Dimon has a right to say whatever he wants about Bitcoin good or bad. A bunch of you are angry at him because you are biased. One, he is a banker. Two, he said negative things about Bitcoin.

John Mcafee said one Bitcoin would be worth $500,000 by 2020. Does he really believe this or is he spreading GCA (greed, certainty, and appeal)? Nobody is getting mad at John for trying to promote Bitcoin. He has great financial incentive for this just like Jamie has financial incentive to bash it.

People are allowed to say what they want. You can hate Jamie if you want to, but it doesn't make what he did by any means, punishable or even malicious.

At least Jamie Dimons has a reputation that makes him very credible in his field, if it turns out Jamie Dimons is just spreading rumors and still investing in bitcoin, it will have an impact on his reputation as a banker. You can not indiscriminately spread rumors especially if you already have a big name.

What he says has a huge impact by investors who are still in the learning phase. and there are also many negative concerns in the market these days.

If you want to play, it is not appropriate to make vulgar sentences in public, if JP-Morgan one day is still proven to be involved in the crypto market, then social punishment will be accepted.


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September 18, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
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What i see herr is that jamie dimon still gets most of his income from jpmorgan, he is just trying to protext his livelihood, i think he was just used, ghey made him say things against bitcoin in order to make bitcoin fall, and they also capitalized on what was happening in china, i believe that even jamie dimon himself.knows what bitcoin is capable of and what will become of he future of bitcoin, as.of now they had just managed yo bring the price of bitcoin down, but didn't eliminate bitcoin at all, i yhink at this time he alrady bought a lot of bitcoins, since as an investor, you don't criticize nor bad mouth an investment, rather you study it and take risk, even if you know it has a high volatility rate. In what i see here, jpmorgan just want to have more bitcoins for themselves, and bad mouthing it, might lower the price down, just like what mark cuban did, i think we'll also be hearing an ICO from jpmorgan the next time.

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September 18, 2017, 10:37:33 AM
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one of the reasons why i say JP Morgan is heavily invested in bitcoin is because they know the market pretty well!
the timing was phenomenal. their CEO could have come out and call bitcoin a fraud anytime he wanted but he chose that particular date. why? because market was already on a downward spiral and the bottoms were being tested. it just needed a nudge. and they gave it to bitcoin.

now THEY have earned $1000 per each coin they have bought.


 
 
 
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September 18, 2017, 10:42:52 AM
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one of the reasons why i say JP Morgan is heavily invested in bitcoin is because they know the market pretty well!
the timing was phenomenal. their CEO could have come out and call bitcoin a fraud anytime he wanted but he chose that particular date. why? because market was already on a downward spiral and the bottoms were being tested. it just needed a nudge. and they gave it to bitcoin.

now THEY have earned $1000 per each coin they have bought.

Probably that was a scenario and "sheep" helped them to make it happen.
I don't understand why many users react so fast and naive on every published information or statement just because it comes from source like JP Morgan. And what are their actual competence for making such statements about Bitcoins.

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September 18, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
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I almost felt sorry for dumb people dumping Bitcoin, they could never realize what is Bitcoin and probably never will, while it's a software following the

Code and only does whatever the code says, people only look at others to see what they think and what they say, they will listen if the person is a well

Known investor and is a successful person, these successful people know it and they take advantage when they can. what the fuck do you care if he

Said or didn't say something? so many day traders are holding so many Bitcoins, they will dump when they hear a fuss.
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September 18, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
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There are some people in the world of big company and there words effect to the market.they are the manipulator.like a JP Morgan a few day ago JP Morgan say what is a bitcoin and this is a fraud.they just said these word. And it's completely effect to the Bitcoin price in a few hours. Bitcoin price droped down to $500 to $800. But after some hours they bought  huge amount of Bitcoin and now they have a good profit in hand. It means they are fully Cheater.

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