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Question: Who is or was the founder of Moneypot.com the bitcoin gambling wallet
Satoshi Nakamoto - 2 (5.7%)
Dogedigital - 3 (8.6%)
Ranlo aka Laremar - 2 (5.7%)
Ryan Havar - 20 (57.1%)
Dexon - 0 (0%)
Blacksheep aka MattN aka Rango aka AcoinL - 1 (2.9%)
Jackpotracer - 7 (20%)
Total Voters: 35

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September 19, 2017, 02:38:32 PM
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Why Satoshi Nakamoto in the listing too? Smiley
Why not? I voted for him.
Here is my theory:
Satoshi Nakamoto= Moneypot founder = RHavar.
Do you have proof he is not?  Tongue

What is the point of this topic anyway?

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September 19, 2017, 02:55:00 PM
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I have a weird feeling that this topic would be deleted real soon due to the purpose of the OP. Its like this is made only to have discussion with Dogedigital and argue about moneypot issues.

#Update regarding OP's reply below..
Okay then, good luck on this poll  Wink

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September 19, 2017, 03:00:26 PM
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Why Satoshi Nakamoto in the listing too? Smiley
Why not? I voted for him.
Here is my theory:
Satoshi Nakamoto= Moneypot founder = RHavar.
Do you have proof he is not?  Tongue

What is the point of this topic anyway?

I see you know who is the founder of Moneypot! very nice
would you claim that you are the founder of MP?

I have a weird feeling that this topic would be deleted real soon due to the purpose of the OP. Its like this is made only to have discussion with Dogedigital and argue about moneypot issues.

I dont need any discussions with Dogedigital or with you Smiley

but as you 2 and many more know that RHavar is the founder of Moneypot I was surprised and shocked that the Moneypot owners are claiming they are the founders!

why would one do this? would you claim that you are the founder of Moneypot? or Betking or McDonalds?  I am sure that not

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September 19, 2017, 04:49:57 PM
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Why Satoshi Nakamoto in the listing too? Smiley
Why not? I voted for him.
Here is my theory:
Satoshi Nakamoto= Moneypot founder = RHavar.
Do you have proof he is not?  Tongue

What is the point of this topic anyway?

I see you know who is the founder of Moneypot! very nice
would you claim that you are the founder of MP?

I have a weird feeling that this topic would be deleted real soon due to the purpose of the OP. Its like this is made only to have discussion with Dogedigital and argue about moneypot issues.

I dont need any discussions with Dogedigital or with you Smiley

but as you 2 and many more know that RHavar is the founder of Moneypot I was surprised and shocked that the Moneypot owners are claiming they are the founders!

why would one do this? would you claim that you are the founder of Moneypot? or Betking or McDonalds?  I am sure that not

Technically speaking you are right but then they own something and might be a slip of tongue that founder thing.

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September 19, 2017, 05:26:32 PM
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Why Satoshi Nakamoto in the listing too? Smiley
Why not? I voted for him.
Here is my theory:
Satoshi Nakamoto= Moneypot founder = RHavar.
Do you have proof he is not?  Tongue

What is the point of this topic anyway?

I see you know who is the founder of Moneypot! very nice
would you claim that you are the founder of MP?

I have a weird feeling that this topic would be deleted real soon due to the purpose of the OP. Its like this is made only to have discussion with Dogedigital and argue about moneypot issues.

I dont need any discussions with Dogedigital or with you Smiley

but as you 2 and many more know that RHavar is the founder of Moneypot I was surprised and shocked that the Moneypot owners are claiming they are the founders!

why would one do this? would you claim that you are the founder of Moneypot? or Betking or McDonalds?  I am sure that not

Technically speaking you are right but then they own something and might be a slip of tongue that founder thing.

oh a slip of tounge or lets say an unintentionally slip of tongue LOL
and all 3 owners with same slip on tongue LOL

thx for the laugh CasioK
are you sure you are not an alt of Dogedigital?

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September 19, 2017, 11:12:10 PM
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Wait, isn't RHavar real founder? Is there any doubt? And as I know you were part of moneypot's project or something like this.
Really, why do you have that question? You say that you would have bet that you know real owner and now you are confused.. Why? Please give us some details P.S satoshi nakamato was waste of time in this poll, people will vote that for fun.
Also keep calm man, why are you so angry? (nothing personal).

what about espringe op?
I think he is moneypot's wallet founder..

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September 20, 2017, 01:26:03 AM
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don't see the purpose of this thread...
what are you trying to prove,mate? other than promoting your site,no offense
is there a personal grudge that I'm unfamiliar with?
Rhavar has replied that he was the original founder,if the said wallet changed hands,now
the owner is the one who owns the rights to it Smiley simple

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September 20, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
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Wait, isn't RHavar real founder? Is there any doubt? And as I know you were part of moneypot's project or something like this.
Really, why do you have that question? You say that you would have bet that you know real owner and now you are confused.. Why? Please give us some details P.S satoshi nakamato was waste of time in this poll, people will vote that for fun.
Also keep calm man, why are you so angry? (nothing personal).

what about espringe op?
I think he is moneypot's wallet founder..

hi

I dont think I was angry with you ever

yes I knew that RHavar is the founder. I was confused because I did not understand to see 3 new Moneypot owners claiming to be the founders.
lets say you buy Moneypot or any other business why would you post on the internet that you are the founder? to impress your girlfriend? or maybe to impress some business men? IMO you shouldnt do it and also for sure not those 3 Moneypot owners. why would you or someone or the MP owners take credit for others' achievements?
I hope we can agree on this

espringe invented bustabit game owned by RHavar right now one of the best games right now and already for a long time. good example is that RHavar never did take credit that he is founder and inventor of bustabit game.

don't see the purpose of this thread...
what are you trying to prove,mate? other than promoting your site,no offense
is there a personal grudge that I'm unfamiliar with?
Rhavar has replied that he was the original founder,if the said wallet changed hands,now
the owner is the one who owns the rights to it Smiley simple


please read above my answer to @shiel132

promoting my site? if you click on the sig you get to a blank page and will be asked for login details.
much better to show his own business sig then some other sig. you earned now with this posting you did a few satoshis Smiley
yes MP owners have a personal grudge with me Smiley thats their problem not mine because the difference is that I tell the truth and they attack me with lies.
yes RHavar chimed in and confirmed that he is the founder. he sold it to the new owners and now I am asking you who is the owner and who is the founder? everyone in the gambling scene here knows that RHavar is the MP founder. how do you explain that all 2 MP owners claiming to be the founder? can or should this happen? NO
as you are saying Smiley the owner is the one who owns the rights to it Smiley simple and I would add because he bought it.

RHavar was before he sold MP the owner and founder easy as that

to be frank when I found this out I wanted I thought I will publish it because MP owners should start to get real and transparent. anyway I am wondering they didnt chime in yet and tell me to stop the FUD and lies Smiley

have a nice day Smiley

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September 20, 2017, 12:58:04 PM
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Congratulations, it looks like you won the war with moneypot.

Assuming that their ICO fails, there is a good possibility that they will close leaving their investors with nothing. I'm not sure if its a good thing because now no-one will get paid. Everyone loses. Investors will lose investment, players will lose balance, and game operators will lose their time and future. At least they tried to make things right.
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September 20, 2017, 01:17:45 PM
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Congratulations, it looks like you won the war with moneypot.

Assuming that their ICO fails, there is a good possibility that they will close leaving their investors with nothing. I'm not sure if its a good thing because now no-one will get paid. Everyone loses. Investors will lose investment, players will lose balance, and game operators will lose their time and future. At least they tried to make things right.

why didnt you post with your real nick. waste of time to do a new account Smiley

why should they close sorry I dont see any reason


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Congratulations, it looks like you won the war with moneypot.

Assuming that their ICO fails, there is a good possibility that they will close leaving their investors with nothing. I'm not sure if its a good thing because now no-one will get paid. Everyone loses. Investors will lose investment, players will lose balance, and game operators will lose their time and future. At least they tried to make things right.

why didnt you post with your real nick. waste of time to do a new account Smiley

why should they close sorry I dont see any reason


Because your points show that they are insolvent and ICO failed so they will most likely close.
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Congratulations, it looks like you won the war with moneypot.

Assuming that their ICO fails, there is a good possibility that they will close leaving their investors with nothing. I'm not sure if its a good thing because now no-one will get paid. Everyone loses. Investors will lose investment, players will lose balance, and game operators will lose their time and future. At least they tried to make things right.

why didnt you post with your real nick. waste of time to do a new account Smiley

why should they close sorry I dont see any reason


Because your points show that they are insolvent. Their ICO failed so they will most likely close based off of your points.

I would appreciate to talk to the real one and not to a shill. I have a good feeling who you are (trust me)

RHavar had the suspicion that they are insolvent because they didnt get BCC

Quote from: RHavar on September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?


I was always a big fan of the Moneypot business idea. do you really think that RHavar or Dooglus would do such mistakes as MP owners did? Rhavar warned them many times and they didnt listen there is no better one who knows how to handle Moneypot than RHavar

do you know how many ICOs are failing? did you see the postings from 2 Investors?

they said much more than me and I am sure they need to get more than me. I was a small investor and didnt know about the ICO

if you didnt see the postings here are the postings

posting from @MartinL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg21737505#msg21737505
When you acquired MoneyPot nearly two years ago, investors were in profit. Now investors are at a loss while MoneyPot itself continues to profit at their expense. In no small part this is because at some point you decided to expose investors to a dangerous amount of risk despite being warned of the consequences multiple times. Understandably, there is some mistrust towards you.

Distributing the BCH that rightfully belongs to investors–you say as much yourself–would go a long way towards regaining some of the goodwill you've lost. Multi-currency support is already one of your main features and Bitcoin Cash's API is virtually identical to Bitcoin's, making it fairly trivial for you to make that money available.

So I don't understand why you would take this position and leave what is essentially free money for your investors on the table. The only rational explanation that comes to mind is that MoneyPot is insolvent and does not hold enough BTC and BCH to meet its liabilities towards investors.

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.

At the very least you should publish a list of MoneyPot's addresses at the time of the fork so that we may verify that the majority of BCH has in fact not been claimed as you say. You would not need to provide your current addresses, so there should not be any serious privacy concerns, but providing this proof to a universally trusted third party like dooglus would also be acceptable.

but luckily @MartinL did not give up and came over to the Dogedigitals ICO announcement thread with the following posting
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169606.msg21746786#msg21746786

Unfortunately the discussion moved away from the previous thread before you were able to reply to concerns regarding MoneyPot's solvency. I'll quote them here so you have a chance to respond:

Quote from: MartinL on September 11, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
When you acquired MoneyPot nearly two years ago, investors were in profit. Now investors are at a loss while MoneyPot itself continues to profit at their expense. In no small part this is because at some point you decided to expose investors to a dangerous amount of risk despite being warned of the consequences multiple times. Understandably, there is some mistrust towards you.

Distributing the BCH that rightfully belongs to investors–you say as much yourself–would go a long way towards regaining some of the goodwill you've lost. Multi-currency support is already one of your main features and Bitcoin Cash's API is virtually identical to Bitcoin's, making it fairly trivial for you to make that money available.

So I don't understand why you would take this position and leave what is essentially free money for your investors on the table. The only rational explanation that comes to mind is that MoneyPot is insolvent and does not hold enough BTC and BCH to meet its liabilities towards investors.

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.

At the very least you should publish a list of MoneyPot's addresses at the time of the fork so that we may verify that the majority of BCH has in fact not been claimed as you say. You would not need to provide your current addresses, so there should not be any serious privacy concerns, but providing this proof to a universally trusted third party like dooglus would also be acceptable.


Also, could you please clarify how the advertised net profit of 500 BTC was determined? According to the information here, that must include the 449 BTC in commission that app owners have received. I assume app owners would continue to receive their commission in the future, so it's not really reasonable to consider that part of MoneyPot's profit. The actual net profit of MoneyPot and its investors that is relevant to ICO investors is a little under 70 BTC instead.

the next Investor @AwayThrow jumped in (his text is bold)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169606.msg21757981#msg21757981


Keeth, your behavior here is disgusting and I believe a crime under Canadian security laws. I have made a formal complaint to the Ontario Security Commission.

I am one of your previous investors, and besides losing considerable money to what was either theft or at best criminal negligence. Furthermore last year you promised me compensation, a promise you have done absolutely nothing towards. Not a single satoshi. Raising money from new investors to pay back old ones is almost the definition of a ponzi.

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Had the investors under the last setup performed above equity, it would be otherwise confusing to lead them to believe that they'd earn the same rate.  Likewise when it is under equity. 
If you lost money then your financial statements must reflect the fact. As you know, what you "should have" made is known as "expected value". What you actually made is known as revenue.

And revenue is very different from "net-profit". I would hope you already know what net-profit is, but let me help make sure we are on the same page: net-profit is how much money you've made after all expenses are consider.

I am sure you and your team have not been working the last 2 years for free with no expenses. So I'll ask you plainly, please answer: Over the last 2 years, what is Money Pot's actual net profit?

Quote from: Dogedigital on September 12, 2017, 07:52:41 AM
We had closed the thread to focus on this next phase, the ICO.  We made our policies and statements known, as we did here in all the information provided.
but as you did in well in your last post you avoided the central question about solvency. I will repeat MartinL's statement as it reflects my own position rather well:

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.



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September 20, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
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I would appreciate to talk to the real one and not to a shill. I have a good feeling who you are (trust me)


I am well aware of all the drama that has surrounded them for the past two years. You do not need to post everything ever discussed.


I don't know why you are attacking me. I am not affiliated with moneypot. I just play there frequently and run the risk of losing my bitcoin too if they are insolvent.

I know you are working hard to publicly draw attention to their practices and rightfully so. But the thing is, if moneypot fails, there are no repayments. Everyone looses. If I were you I would be fighting for them to stay alive then publicly accosting them. It doesn't look good for them right now and I would sure hate for everyone to lose out.
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September 20, 2017, 03:01:58 PM
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I would appreciate to talk to the real one and not to a shill. I have a good feeling who you are (trust me)


I am well aware of all the drama that has surrounded them for the past two years. You do not need to post everything ever discussed.


I don't know why you are attacking me. I am not affiliated with moneypot. I just play there frequently and run the risk of losing my bitcoin too if they are insolvent.

I know you are working hard to publicly draw attention to their practices and rightfully so. But the thing is, if moneypot fails, there are no repayments. Everyone looses. If I were you I would be fighting for them to stay alive then publicly accosting them. It doesn't look good for them right now and I would sure hate for everyone to lose out.

thx for confirming who you are  Grin Grin Grin

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I would appreciate to talk to the real one and not to a shill. I have a good feeling who you are (trust me)


I am well aware of all the drama that has surrounded them for the past two years. You do not need to post everything ever discussed.


I don't know why you are attacking me. I am not affiliated with moneypot. I just play there frequently and run the risk of losing my bitcoin too if they are insolvent.

I know you are working hard to publicly draw attention to their practices and rightfully so. But the thing is, if moneypot fails, there are no repayments. Everyone looses. If I were you I would be fighting for them to stay alive then publicly accosting them. It doesn't look good for them right now and I would sure hate for everyone to lose out.

thx for confirming who you are  Grin Grin Grin

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September 20, 2017, 08:11:29 PM
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Wait, isn't RHavar real founder? Is there any doubt? And as I know you were part of moneypot's project or something like this.
Really, why do you have that question? You say that you would have bet that you know real owner and now you are confused.. Why? Please give us some details P.S satoshi nakamato was waste of time in this poll, people will vote that for fun.
Also keep calm man, why are you so angry? (nothing personal).

what about espringe op?
I think he is moneypot's wallet founder..

hi

I dont think I was angry with you ever

yes I knew that RHavar is the founder. I was confused because I did not understand to see 3 new Moneypot owners claiming to be the founders.
lets say you buy Moneypot or any other business why would you post on the internet that you are the founder? to impress your girlfriend? or maybe to impress some business men? IMO you shouldnt do it and also for sure not those 3 Moneypot owners. why would you or someone or the MP owners take credit for others' achievements?
I hope we can agree on this

espringe invented bustabit game owned by RHavar right now one of the best games right now and already for a long time. good example is that RHavar never did take credit that he is founder and inventor of bustabit game.
Of course you were never angry with me, as I said nothing personal. I thought your post seems a little bit rude in this topic.. Well, forget that.
Maybe yes, they will claim that they are owners and usually people act like that when they buy business. But of course it's not correct action and it's lie. And "serious" business with lies.. You may know what I mean..
I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.

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September 20, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
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I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.

The original "moneypot" was actually a game, and had nothing to do with "the gambling wallet". I purchased "moneypot the game" which came with the moneypot.com domain, and was working on a "gambling wallet" service (which at the time, I called "vault"). But I found the name "moneypot" was more suitable for the gambling wallet than the game, so what I did was rebrand "moneypot the game" as "bustabit". And launched "vault" as "moneypot the gambling wallet".  And then later sold moneypot.com (which at this time was the gambling wallet project).

So yeah, it's a bit of a confusing history  Grin
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Wait, isn't RHavar real founder? Is there any doubt? And as I know you were part of moneypot's project or something like this.
Really, why do you have that question? You say that you would have bet that you know real owner and now you are confused.. Why? Please give us some details P.S satoshi nakamato was waste of time in this poll, people will vote that for fun.
Also keep calm man, why are you so angry? (nothing personal).

what about espringe op?
I think he is moneypot's wallet founder..

hi

I dont think I was angry with you ever

yes I knew that RHavar is the founder. I was confused because I did not understand to see 3 new Moneypot owners claiming to be the founders.
lets say you buy Moneypot or any other business why would you post on the internet that you are the founder? to impress your girlfriend? or maybe to impress some business men? IMO you shouldnt do it and also for sure not those 3 Moneypot owners. why would you or someone or the MP owners take credit for others' achievements?
I hope we can agree on this

espringe invented bustabit game owned by RHavar right now one of the best games right now and already for a long time. good example is that RHavar never did take credit that he is founder and inventor of bustabit game.
Of course you were never angry with me, as I said nothing personal. I thought your post seems a little bit rude in this topic.. Well, forget that.
Maybe yes, they will claim that they are owners and usually people act like that when they buy business. But of course it's not correct action and it's lie. And "serious" business with lies.. You may know what I mean..
I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.


hi

the question was regarding founder. that they are owners is no question but they are definitely not founders. why would they post on a website that they are the founders? unintentionally like Dogedigital posted? they know exactly who is founder and who is owner!

I never saw that RHavar claimed that he is bustabit game inventor or founder. he bought it and he should be called owner

I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.

The original "moneypot" was actually a game, and had nothing to do with "the gambling wallet". I purchased "moneypot the game" which came with the moneypot.com domain, and was working on a "gambling wallet" service (which at the time, I called "vault"). But I found the name "moneypot" was more suitable for the gambling wallet than the game, so what I did was rebrand "moneypot the game" as "bustabit". And launched "vault" as "moneypot the gambling wallet".  And then later sold moneypot.com (which at this time was the gambling wallet project).

So yeah, it's a bit of a confusing history  Grin


why would new MP owners call themselves "Founder" on an angel website? what is your take? all 3 had a slip of tongue or/and unintentionally?

how about a fair and straight forward answer? sure thing we can call it a gentlemen lapse. my bet is it was intentionally




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September 21, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
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Ryan Havar was the founder. As far as I remember.
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Ryan Havar was the founder. As far as I remember.

absolutely correct and in the scene well known. the new MP owners didnt  know this huh?

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