Taxless and free society?

[FrueGreads]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I don't know, I not completely against taxes, because they do provide a way for everyone to contribute to development of our country. I don't like of course the way that the money raised from taxes is sometimes used, so it's hard to imagine how things would work. I would still like this to go through, it would be a great social experiment.

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[stompix]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Buying off land?
Since Alaska no country is stupid enough to sell land.

People are mistaken when they hear somebody has bought an island in Greece.
They bought that island like you buy a flat, the country that owns that land is still Greece and they can do whatever they want with it if they decide to nationalize.

And let's be reasonable.
Let's say you achieve independence. You become prosperous. What will happen next?
You are going to get invaded by your neighbors and crushed in a matter of hours.

And nobody will save you because it will serve as a lesson from the governments to utopians.

[Dfinest]

I don't think this will work and it doesn't really sound good. Taxless? Come on... Even if my country is pretty much f_cked up at the moment, i'd never move to that utopistic land.

[lyks15]

Tax free and free society?Oh come on dude,that's impossible when you are in the Philippines. Everything in your surroundings is payable by tax no one is excempted even the infant,their milk and diapers are payable of tax. So how can we imagine the country without tax? In term of free society thats also a big issue in our country when you are against in new administrative you did not get any care specially in politics. The worst scenario is when you are an ordinary man or a poor man any time they can control you or even worst they can take your breath.

[Fatunad]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

Same here. No matter how good does the new country on which it says its Taxless and free society.I dont really care at all and im wondering what would be the location on that place. Its seems so hard to believe to have this kind of society that would exist on this world knowing that most all government or those who rule on the top would end up on being corrupted sooner or later.

[Nissan-GTR]

It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.

Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.

[Ucy]

Awesome idea..
Would be great to automate such society otherwise the ill you are fleeing from in evil societies may crop up in the new society.


THE SOCIETY ADMINISTRATORS COULD BE:

1. Softwares, bots, codes, robots, machines, can take 60—70% of administrative components.

2. Humans take charge of 15%—25%

The non-human administrators should be:
Hack-proof,
TRANSPARENT,
Unbiased,
Infallible, &
Must never violate the society rules,  
in other to be considered for roles


The new Society/Country MUST BE VERY VERY TRANSPARENT AND SUSTAINABLE.  Freedom (mustn't be harmful to others) MUST be respected.

Should be a society ruled by ideas, innovation and creativity...

[coolcoinz]

It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.

Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.

For that to happen taxes have to be just and in our current society they never are.
What are just taxes? The ones that treat every person in the same way, meaning the amount you're paying is fixed, the same for every citizen, and made so that it's affordable to all. Unjust taxes are punishing those who are working harder and earning more, because they have to pay more than the rest.

Making people go to jail for not paying those unjust taxes is even more ridiculous. Think about it, you're taking a person that isn't contributing to society and putting him in a jail with murderers, rapists and thieves. He didn't pay his share, so is in debt to the government, yet the government spends money to prosecute and hold him against his will, feeding him, paying his medical bills while he's in. The government always knows how to waste money and make people's lives miserable.

[Taylorw]

I don't believe in society without taxes. I associate taxes with all facilities and infrastructure available around. From my own experience, live in countries where taxes are high is much better than live in countries where you pay low taxes

[AngelInvest]

This has been brought up so many times but who the hell is going to pay for infrastructure? Hospitals? What if you break your leg? You just get shot and life moves on? Idk, I'm skeptical that it could ever work unless the 'government' in this country is invested in cryptocurrency and everything is bought with the interest made from them.

They might have some sort of plan that they aren't revealing yet. What comes to mind not knowing what their plans are is either: a buy in situation where people can either contribute financially or with skills (ie. engineers, doctors, builders).

[darkangel11]

When I read about those libertarian countries it always makes me wonder how are they planning to keep this freedom and maintain order.
If a poor country happens to have such rich libertarian country for a neighbor it may try to attack and plunder. And what if one of their fellow libertarians becomes a psychotic serial killer? Will they be able to track him down? It's not something a neighborhood watch can handle

[Mike Mayor]

That is really interesting and I'm all for that idea but don't forget tax is there to build roads and oay for services. Though it's wisely abused more then it's sont helping that is where the problem likes. If you split a living area into sections of a few families say 100 then those 100 are responsible for their sector looking good and having roads and Inferstructure

[sana54210]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I don't know, I not completely against taxes, because they do provide a way for everyone to contribute to development of our country. I don't like of course the way that the money raised from taxes is sometimes used, so it's hard to imagine how things would work. I would still like this to go through, it would be a great social experiment.

Exactly you pay taxes because you are supposed to take part in development of your country. It can’t happen in reality that if you are making some tax free society then how would that society grows. There must be some income that society administration needs for fulfill the needs. So it is not possible in current situation.

[kimochidesh]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

It seems to be a good idea...Pay no taxes and live free. But believe me, it is not at all practical. In Such society, Only rich and Strong can survive, the Crime rate will increase like HELL. Taxes are somehow important to live free and safe.

[aso118]

When I read about those libertarian countries it always makes me wonder how are they planning to keep this freedom and maintain order.
If a poor country happens to have such rich libertarian country for a neighbor it may try to attack and plunder. And what if one of their fellow libertarians becomes a psychotic serial killer? Will they be able to track him down? It's not something a neighborhood watch can handle

If they can put together a basic corpus to take care of running expenditure, they should be fine. You might have to pay to get citizenship of this country. Corporations might pay taxes. Hell, they could even have an ICO.

[Despacito]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

It seems to be a good idea...Pay no taxes and live free. But believe me, it is not at all practical. In Such society, Only rich and Strong can survive, the Crime rate will increase like HELL. Taxes are somehow important to live free and safe.

I'm a liberal person but I think tax are needed to be in safe in a country. Police and other forces will be helping the harmony of the society and this will help us live in harmony. We can be free without tax but this might not be good.

[LeGaulois]

You can not run a country without taxes. Who is going to pay to build hospitals, schools, road, educational program or whatever? The government? But from where the money will come from? Not the sky, can't rely on loans forever. A govt. can't ake full income by trading cryptos.
Taxes are needed to improve and sustain a country

[Ariess]

I'm not interested at all. I love my homeland. but I'm interested in owning a house or buying a piece of land in europe, that's my goal for the future.

[alani123]

Roger is a clown. But his beliefs are interesting. Roger grew up in the USA and somehow supports Voluntaryism, which is simply a form of anarchism. I think that state structures are useful for bitcoin to flourish. Lack of organization and authority wouldn't exactly help a digital financial tool to have more use.

[wengcoin34]

I agree with you mate taxeless of bitcoin  for society are good ideas because every transaction use bitcoin have fee and transaction fee are also taxes from the localities, and every you buy food or anything are have taxes.