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Question: should Og Be Removed from DT1  (Voting closes: February 13, 2045, 09:11:57 AM)
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September 28, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
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Do you trust this man to be on Default trust?




the previous poll regarding OG as forum treasurer was as close as a coin flip with only just over 50% of votes to keep him as treasurer - seeing as the DT list has a big affect on the Users of this forum...... should this cheap sausage loving, balding, silly 12 year old pube beard be allowed to make decisions on the trust network??

you decide peeps.

He has recently taken to publicly displaying PM's as well... watch out guys..

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September 28, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
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OG looks like a completely normal dude to me to be honest. I am wondering what the other creeps on the DT network patrolling the forum daily look like  Grin

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September 28, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
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I don’t think that is OgN

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September 28, 2017, 05:32:02 PM
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Is the guy in op is really Ognasty?? If true then he looks rich and fit..he got a private yacht too...
I clicked on Tman's signature and it showed the same man in OP.
So basically TMAN is most powerful user here ??

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September 28, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
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Is the guy in op is really Ognasty?? If true then he looks rich and fit..he got a private yacht too...
Because NOBODY has friends with boats.. or rents boats..

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I don’t think that is OgN

Well your thought is wrong.. I got lots more pics if you want

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September 28, 2017, 07:24:07 PM
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I think you should remove the picture whether it's him or not - the way someone looks ( in one pic on the internetz ) has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they should be trusted.  

In fact, one could argue that this post could make him appear more trustworthy since he is being attacked without any real evidence that suggests he deserves it, which results him appearing to many to be innocent of many accusations which he is clearly guilty of.




All that being said, I truly believe OgNasty is an incredibly deceptive and scummy member of the community that gets far more respect than he deserves.  Threads like this will only give him ammo to convince people not to take legit accusations against him seriously.

(if interested - check his feedback left for me, and my feedback left for him for more details, I'm happy to address any question on the topic and do everything possible to back up my side of the story - while he has refused for over a year to respond in any way...relying solely on his "reputation" )



PS - Is he still holding 500 BTC for theymos? If so, I'm confident a 20 minute discussion would be all it takes to prove to any reasonable person that OGn is not fit to be responsible for $2m + USD for anyone.


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I think you should remove the picture whether it's him or not - the way someone looks ( in one pic on the internetz ) has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not that should be trusted. 

In fact, one could argue that this post could make him appear more trustworthy since he is being attacked without any real evidence that suggests he deserves it.




All that being said, I truly believe OgNasty is an incredibly deceptive and scummy member of the community that gets far more respect than he deserves.  Threads like this will only give him ammo to convince people not to take legit accusations against him seriously.

(check his feedback left for me, and my feedback left for him for more details)


It's him buddy, same bloke as in my sig. also have pics of his brother and sisters, and his dad. He is the only OG in that family. Check out my trust ratings against OG for more pics.

Anyway OG is on some dodgy boat spending nastyfans donations on cheap saussage

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@TMAN, I am excited to know how you got the leads of Real OGNASTY or Matt? I believed that its really hard to get someone's Dox like Ognasty and Quickseller.

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@TMAN, I am excited to know how you got the leads of Real OGNASTY or Matt? I believed that its really hard to get someone's Dox like Ognasty and Quickseller.


I paid for OG's and it was a stupid mistake by him that gave the lead.

QS is proving more difficult

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@TMAN, I am excited to know how you got the leads of Real OGNASTY or Matt? I believed that its really hard to get someone's Dox like Ognasty and Quickseller.


I paid for OG's and it was a stupid mistake by him that gave the lead.

QS is proving more difficult

Wow OGnasty Looks of My age( 32-33 Years ), TMAN you are a real man with some great power, I always thought that it will be nearly impossible to Get the private info of people like OGnasty to public but you did that, Will Ognasty file a legal writ against you now? Howmuch you paid to get OGNasty's dox?

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September 29, 2017, 06:00:23 AM
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@TMAN, I am excited to know how you got the leads of Real OGNASTY or Matt? I believed that its really hard to get someone's Dox like Ognasty and Quickseller.


I paid for OG's and it was a stupid mistake by him that gave the lead.

QS is proving more difficult

Wow OGnasty Looks of My age( 32-33 Years ), TMAN you are a real man with some great power, I always thought that it will be nearly impossible to Get the private info of people like OGnasty to public but you did that, Will Ognasty file a legal writ against you now? Howmuch you paid to get OGNasty's dox?

you do realize that I am not based in the US right? he can do what he wants against me.. I live in a country where money is power and corruption is encouraged.. well a bit like the USA really...

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September 29, 2017, 07:22:34 AM
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Why you are keep attacking OG?? so who will be the next treasurer if OG will elimanited?

OG is fine mate and don't be a butt hurt on him he proves already that he can handle the funds of this furom honestly and the only thing you are doing is keep barking on him maybe you should go to vacation and stop being so naive here.

You are once been part on extortion team and so be it men.

OG will still the best treasurer on this furom!.

This furom is so great but its slowly killed by those Abusive guy.
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Why you are keep attacking OG?? so who will be the next treasurer if OG will elimanited?

OG is fine mate and don't be a butt hurt on him he proves already that he can handle the funds of this furom honestly and the only thing you are doing is keep barking on him maybe you should go to vacation and stop being so naive here.

You are once been part on extortion team and so be it men.

OG will still the best treasurer on this furom!.

1) I think he is a prick
2) he is breaking many US laws currently
3) he does not use multi sig escrow so the forum funds are severely at risk when he gets taken down for his illegal activities
4) to be childish "he started it"
5) I know i am not the only person who dislikes him

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September 29, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
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Why you are keep attacking OG?? so who will be the next treasurer if OG will elimanited?

OG is fine mate and don't be a butt hurt on him he proves already that he can handle the funds of this furom honestly and the only thing you are doing is keep barking on him maybe you should go to vacation and stop being so naive here.

You are once been part on extortion team and so be it men.

OG will still the best treasurer on this furom!.

1) I think he is a prick
2) he is breaking many US laws currently
3) he does not use multi sig escrow so the forum funds are severely at risk when he gets taken down for his illegal activities
4) to be childish "he started it"
5) I know i am not the only person who dislikes him


Maybe you are not one person that don't like him, but you was involved in shady situations and it will not help you in this campaign.
Actions like this against other people on forum, will not bring you friends.
Just leave it dude and move on.

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Maybe you are not one person that don't like him, but you was involved in shady situations and it will not help you in this campaign.
Actions like this against other people on forum, will not bring you friends.
Just leave it dude and move on.
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September 29, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
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TMAN, I guess you know Matt's Sister and would have her PIC also? i would like to see how she looks  Roll Eyes

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TMAN, I guess you know Matt's Sister and would have her PIC also? i would like to see how she looks  Roll Eyes

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I do - but i will not be sharing those i am afraid... personally I think that is going over the line

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September 29, 2017, 04:40:47 PM
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TMAN, I guess you know Matt's Sister and would have her PIC also? i would like to see how she looks  Roll Eyes

More PICs of Matt if you have in case...

I do - but i will not be sharing those i am afraid... personally I think that is going over the line
Really TMAN is afraid?? This thread has already crossed personal life.
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TMAN, I guess you know Matt's Sister and would have her PIC also? i would like to see how she looks  Roll Eyes

More PICs of Matt if you have in case...

I do - but i will not be sharing those i am afraid... personally I think that is going over the line
Really TMAN is afraid?? This thread has already crossed personal life.


Posting pics of his sister is not necessary and crosses the line in my eyes

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October 01, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
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Posting pics of his sister is not necessary and crosses the line in my eyes

and you should not post supposed pictures of him, this is going too far

TMAN, I guess you know Matt's Sister and would have her PIC also? i would like to see how she looks

the sister has nothing to do with the forum and even posting supposed photos of him is not something correct


Just want to expose OG as the dinosaur that he is

researching his personal life? Have you seen what's in your signature? It's scary, it seems like you're constantly searching for OG.


and you know that this thread will not change anything. Unless you have concrete proof, something that it will not be possible for people to ignore

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I don't really know what the forum has come to but if that picture is real for whatever reasons ,it shouldn't be allowed.Tried reporting the thread to admins but that didn't help either.We all are aware of the OP's and OG nasty's long time feud.Not that I give a shit about the op since their accusations are baseless and mostly hatred towards Og but doxxing a reputed member shouldn't be entertained at all.

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Not that I give a shit about the op since their accusations are baseless and mostly hatred towards Og but doxxing a reputed member shouldn't be entertained at all.
As long as it is trolling, it is "perfectly fine" according to the forum rules. OP is most certainly not trolling / their concern/dispute is legitimate.

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October 01, 2017, 07:42:03 PM
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Not that I give a shit about the op since their accusations are baseless and mostly hatred towards Og but doxxing a reputed member shouldn't be entertained at all.
As long as it is trolling, it is "perfectly fine" according to the forum rules. OP is most certainly not trolling / their concern/dispute is legitimate.
Both you and the OP were involved in an extortion attempt...

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Not that I give a shit about the op since their accusations are baseless and mostly hatred towards Og but doxxing a reputed member shouldn't be entertained at all.
As long as it is trolling, it is "perfectly fine" according to the forum rules. OP is most certainly not trolling / their concern/dispute is legitimate.
Both you and the OP were involved in an extortion attempt...
Your point being? You seriously need to get a life scammer. Roll Eyes

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Note: I am making this Original Post for Gizer. I am not the point of contact.
Please contact Jasong, Czukor or Reactiv3
for any questions.















THE GLOBAL GAMING NETWORK

Creating Opportunity in the Gaming Economy



Public Sale Opens: October 20th, 2017
Presale Bonuses Start: October 10th, 2017






With over 1 billion mobile gamers, game developers have taken notice and are creating more competitive mobile games. Yet, there is no network to fuel the competitive gaming and eSports economy. Gizer is the solution…

Gizer is a peer-to-peer network, driven by interactions between different parties to create economic opportunity in the global gaming community. The Gizer network will connect gamers, hosts, small businesses, freelancing services, and venues to create opportunity for all members of the global gaming economy.



ICO details




Crowdsale Terms


Gizer’s presale is currently open using a Simple Agreement for Future Tokens (SAFT).
Contact support@gizer.io for information about the SAFT discount. The public presale will open on October 20.


* Note: The 15,000,000 GZR held in reserve will also serve as an incentive plan for adoption. Gizer is also working with game developers for item licensing agreements.



What is GZR?

GZR represents an unlockable profile item in an “unknown” state. The user can unlock tokens at any time, resulting in a randomized profile item being unlocked that can be applied to a gamer’s avatar. The rarity and type of the item unlocked is completely random and decided only after the user decides to unlock it.Users can collect items to rank up and customize their avatars to gain prestige within the gaming community. Once certain sets of items are collected, the user is rewarded with exclusive items, rank boosts, and badges specific to their accolades.




Users who have linked an Ethereum account to their Gizer profile will be able to redeem GZR tokens and exchange them for Gizer profile items. They will do this simply by sending GZR tokens from their Ethereum wallet to a “Gizer redemption account”. Gizer will monitor that account in near real-time for incoming GZR tokens. When an incoming token transfer is confirmed, Gizer will look up the Gizer profile that corresponds to the sending Ethereum wallet. Based on the pseudo-random transaction hash of the token transfer, Gizer items will be added to the Gizer user’s profile. These Gizer items will be assigned a unique hash on the Gizer backend, which can be unlocked by the user at any time, or transferred to another user.



Bounties

Our early adopters and the community at large are extremely important to us. In order to thank those who are supporting our platform and our crowdsale - we will be offering a bounty campaign for all to participate in.

More information about the bounty program can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2210144



GZR Roadmap

You can find a more detailed roadmap at https://tokensale.gizer.io


Q1
  • Gizer mobile app developed for iOS and Android
  • Pre-ICO Marketing begins
  • Smart Contract Audited
  • GG ID Developed
  • Public Token Sale
  • Collection of GZR Items released

Q2
  • Gizer store is developed
  • GG ID Public API is made available for third party integrations with game developers
  • Direct GG ID Integration with mobile eSports game Bazoo
  • More GZR Items are released
  • Development of Gizer web platform using REACT Native

Q3
  • Gizer News is launched
  • Gizer Marketplace updated to new Blockchain technologies
  • APAC Marketing Campaign






If you have any questions we will be monitoring this thread as well as all of our social media accounts listed below. We encourage you to ask questions and discuss or give your feedback on Gizer.

Bitcointalk handles of team members
Jasong
Czukor
Reactiv3








Thank you for reading!



Social Media and Important Links

TOKENSALE WEBSITE
https://tokensale.gizer.io

WEBSITE
https://gizer.io

FACEBOOK
https://www.facebook.com/GizerGaming/

TWITTER
https://twitter.com/Gizer_Gaming

MEDIUM
https://medium.com/@Gizer_Gaming

REDDIT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gizer/

GITHUB
https://github.com/GizerInc

TELEGRAM
https://t.me/joinchat/Em71dQ4KZ8G-XxpArXNuHg

INSTAGRAM
https://www.instagram.com/gizer_gaming/

TWITCH
https://www.twitch.tv/gizertv

YOUTUBE
https://www.youtube.com/c/GizerGaming

Once a Scammer always a scammer.




ANN Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2200121.0

This guy aex kampa created a scam project copying the code of open source project minerium and called it Autoria and then claimed that Minerium is not first self mining token but autoria is but the fact is that Minerium came first then Autoria, as the Autoria ICO failed he deleted all his posts and locked his thread and ran away.

Now this scammer has started a Project called GIZER.

Sorry Guys but this project has added a scammer as advisor "Alex Kampa".

See This Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1980391.msg19721361#msg19721361



^^ This guy creates fake projects and scam forum members here.


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Stay away from this scam project.
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ANN Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2200121.0

This guy aex kampa created a scam project copying the code of open source project minerium and called it Autoria and then claimed that Minerium is not first self mining token but autoria is but the fact is that Minerium came first then Autoria, as the Autoria ICO failed he deleted all his posts and locked his thread and ran away.

Now this scammer has started a Project called GIZER.

Sorry Guys but this project has added a scammer as advisor "Alex Kampa".

See This Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1980391.msg19721361#msg19721361



^^ This guy creates fake projects and scam forum members here.


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Stay away from this scam project.
So OGNasty = Alex Kampa??
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no thats not OG or me - just spamming...

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October 02, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
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bla bla bla

You are a scammer and account thief...

I'm not a noob..Just got my acc. hacked and stolen here's the proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1996358.msg19877515#
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bla bla bla

You are a scammer and account thief...
No not the way you say.
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bla bla bla

You are a scammer and account thief...
No not the way you say.

don't listen to that guy he is a scammer and thief and stole or bought my stolen account, he admitted it....check his feedback it was proven but the admins still let him keep it


I'm not a noob..Just got my acc. hacked and stolen here's the proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1996358.msg19877515#
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Even his ebay feedback has disdain among his clients...


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Open Scam accusation against OG.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2996871.0

also - looks like the people have spoken. they want the tyrant removed from DT..

this is probably due to him blatantly manipulating the system to benefit himself whenever anyone speaks up against his scam club.




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I thought that this thread was dead  Roll Eyes , Today i clicked show new replies to your post and this thread again came back. Any ways/tricks so that i can get rid of these threads or threads in general which i don't wanna see again and again?

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February 22, 2018, 04:59:04 PM
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I thought that this thread was dead  Roll Eyes , Today i clicked show new replies to your post and this thread again came back. Any ways/tricks so that i can get rid of these threads or threads in general which i don't wanna see again and again?

Click unwatch in the top or bottom right corners of the thread form.  Edit: See next post.  You can tell I've never used that feature.

Looking at the trust ratings, it's overwhelmingly clear how users feel about my involvement here.  Not to mention the poll results are even in support of me...



I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

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I thought that this thread was dead  Roll Eyes , Today i clicked show new replies to your post and this thread again came back. Any ways/tricks so that i can get rid of these threads or threads in general which i don't wanna see again and again?
Click unwatch in the top or bottom right corners of the thread form. 
Actually, for "show new replies to your posts" you would have to delete your reply/replies to the thread. Otherwise, they will keep showing up. It's not the same as a watchlist, where you can manually select threads to go on/off the list.

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February 22, 2018, 07:36:26 PM
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OgNasty has once again left me negative trust:



Here's the post he referenced:

As for pirateat40’s savings and loan, I was the only person providing insurance for deposits and when it collapsed I paid out everyone their insured amounts. Nothing but satisfied users, including our own famous NastyFans supporter, coblee.

Between this and BFL,

You sure seem to have a lot of experience when it comes to convincing other people to invest their money in ponzi schemes.

Here's proof that OgNasty does indeed have experience when it comes to convincing other people to invest their money in ponzi schemes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0



For those who aren't aware with Bitcoin Savings and Trust, it was one of biggest Ponzi schemes in Bitcoin history.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Savings_%26_Trust


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February 22, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

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February 22, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

Read your own words please:


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me funneling funds into a ponzi.
Because that's exactly what it looks like. While I can't necessarily blame people, due to the naivety of the community at the time, you were promoting and encouraging people to deposit into a ponzi scheme. You can't then turn around 6 years later and say "No guys it's just trolls".

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Within minutes of me posting the screenshot of OgNasty clearly encouraging people to invest in pirateat40's ponzi scheme, he edited the post in question and locked the thread.

Here is the screenshot I'm talking about. (note the time stamp):




Here's what what his OP looked like before his edit (there were more FAQs below, I only took screenshot of the the top half of his post):




If you check out the thread now, you will see the first post was edited today, one minute and five seconds later:




Here is a link to the thread in question (note that he posted in the thread and locked it about two minutes after my post):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0

I hope I've made it clear that not only has OgNasty encouraged others to invest in a massice ponzi scheme, but also went out of his way to try and cover it up 6 years after the fact.

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/
Me either.

Maybe he was naive and didn't realize at the time it was a ponzi scheme.

Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a huge ponzi scheme that he convinced other people to invest in.

This wasn't the only ponzi scheme that he convinced people to invest in by the way. (Butterfly Labs)

If he would of taken the "oh fuck guys, I'm so sorry, that was a ponzi scheme" route, I might have some sympathy.  Instead, he chose to tag me for pointing it out and then attempted to cover it up by editing the 6 year old post and locking thread.

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/

Common sense is a lost art.

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/

Common sense is a lost art.

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/
Me either.

Maybe he was naive and didn't realize at the time it was a ponzi scheme.

Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a huge ponzi scheme that he convinced other people to invest in.

This wasn't the only ponzi scheme that he convinced people to invest in by the way. (Butterfly Labs)

If he would of taken the "oh fuck guys, I'm so sorry, that was a ponzi scheme" route, I might have some sympathy.  Instead, he chose to tag me for pointing it out and then attempted to cover it up by editing the 6 year old post and locking thread.

So did he cover the deposits in full or just the slush fund he built up? This was a little bit before I joined

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If OG knew it was a ponzi at the time, I'm not sure why he would insure deposits, costing him money.   :/
Me either.

Maybe he was naive and didn't realize at the time it was a ponzi scheme.

Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a huge ponzi scheme that he convinced other people to invest in.

This wasn't the only ponzi scheme that he convinced people to invest in by the way. (Butterfly Labs)

If he would of taken the "oh fuck guys, I'm so sorry, that was a ponzi scheme" route, I might have some sympathy.  Instead, he chose to tag me for pointing it out and then attempted to cover it up by editing the 6 year old post and locking thread.

So did he cover the deposits in full or just the slush fund he built up? This was a little bit before I joined

The fact that he insured anyones funds is irrelevant.  OGNasty went out of his way to convince people to invest in pirateat40s massive ponzi scheme.
He knows what he did was wrong, why else would he go back and edit this post?


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Good lord, TMAN really seems to simply hate OgNasty. Can't believe he opened this thread and referenced his own scam accusation as though that were a reason why Og should be removed from DT. Ridiculous

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Good lord, TMAN really seems to simply hate OgNasty. Can't believe he opened this thread and referenced his own scam accusation as though that were a reason why Og should be removed from DT. Ridiculous

OG has been bullying people again. Hence why I bumped the thread and linked to the scam thread that is gaining traction..

I dislike him yes, I dislike his dodgy dealings more though

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Which might be one of the reasons the majority of members who voted did not agree with you. All of this stinks of bias and as such, your accusations fall on deaf ears.

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Which might be one of the reasons the majority of members who voted did not agree with you. All of this stinks of bias and as such, your accusations fall on deaf ears.

Hey sarcheer,

Do you believe that OgNasty tried to convince people to invest in massive ponzi scheme?

Why do you think he deleted the contents of the red box below less than two minutes after I posted the screenshot?


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Honestly, I wasn't even in crypto when this happened. Why do you have to go so far in the past to try and find dirt on him? Did he profit from this Ponzi? Did he/should he have known it was a Ponzi at the time you say he promoted it?

I honestly don't see how this is relevant as to whether he should now be removed from DT. Are you accusing him of running or being involved in a Ponzi now?

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Honestly, I wasn't even in crypto when this happened. Why do you have to go so far in the past to try and find dirt on him? Did he profit from this Ponzi? Did he/should he have known it was a Ponzi at the time you say he promoted it?

Clearly he profited, it's his IPO or whatever it was. It's currently the longest running illegal security on bitcointalk. I'm sure he started with well intentions, but he's made very bad decisions and screwed over a lot of people, many are afraid to speak out because of his blatant trust abuse (see my trust lol)...

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I honestly don't see how this is relevant as to whether he should now be removed from DT. Are you accusing him of running or being involved in a Ponzi now?

Why? Why should a ponzi-operator be on DT and routinely tagging people whom he disagrees with - also colluding with Quickscammer to get Tomatoface, another scammy DT account that Quickseller controls to help him kick people he does not like off DT2.

He's a slimeball. I feel ripped off, I bought some of his seats and coins as a newbie and absolute lost money compared to BTC price today. You can't sell a security denominated in BTC and then go WOOHOO about USD price!!??... It's a BTC investment, billed as getting more BTC.... He claims we should all "Donate" more if we are unhappy with seat distributions - What the fuck? Donate to a scam I was a member of to help it? LMFAO

Also, this cheap sausage frying dork holds 500 BTC owned by the forum. apparently the admin is ok with that, whatever... Anyhow, long story short - Trust system here is being diddled by scammers named OGnasty and Quickseller. (Oh and Tomatoface ofc LOL)....    Roll Eyes


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Why? Why should a ponzi-operator be on DT and routinely tagging people whom he disagrees with - also colluding with Quickscammer to get Tomatoface, another scammy DT account that Quickseller controls to help him kick people he does not like off DT2.



So you believe he operates or operated a Ponzi? Are you alleging he operated the previously mentioned Ponzi or are you alleging NastyFans to be a Ponzi?

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Watch this...  Cheesy

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Honestly, I wasn't even in crypto when this happened. Why do you have to go so far in the past to try and find dirt on him? Did he profit from this Ponzi? Did he/should he have known it was a Ponzi at the time you say he promoted it?

I honestly don't see how this is relevant as to whether he should now be removed from DT. Are you accusing him of running or being involved in a Ponzi now?

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because he's accusing me of making false allegations.

My allegations are not false.  They are true.
As for pirateat40’s savings and loan, I was the only person providing insurance for deposits and when it collapsed I paid out everyone their insured amounts. Nothing but satisfied users, including our own famous NastyFans supporter, coblee.

Between this and BFL,

You sure seem to have a lot of experience when it comes to convincing other people to invest their money in ponzi schemes.

He left me the following negative feedback.



I feel like I've done a pretty good job of proving my point.

The question is:

Does OGNasty have experience convincing other people to invest in a ponzi scheme?

Can we agree that pirateat40s Bitcoin Savings and Trust was a massive ponzi scheme?

Does this seem like OgNasty is encouraging people to invest in it?



^^This is a screenshot from the post OgNasty instantly edited in the thread he instantly locked after I posted it.

Yes or No?

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Watch this...  Cheesy

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February 23, 2018, 12:34:38 AM
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Watch this...  Cheesy

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HAHAHA... You are a fucking fool and obviously know ZERO about libel laws you green piece of slime, but thanks for the good fucking laugh at a trumptard! Cheesy

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If I say something that is false and defamatory, that is not libel.  It's slander.

Poor stupid Trump lol.

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If I say something that is false and defamatory, that is not libel.  It's slander.

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February 23, 2018, 12:59:01 AM
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Honestly, I wasn't even in crypto when this happened. Why do you have to go so far in the past to try and find dirt on him? Did he profit from this Ponzi? Did he/should he have known it was a Ponzi at the time you say he promoted it?

I honestly don't see how this is relevant as to whether he should now be removed from DT. Are you accusing him of running or being involved in a Ponzi now?

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because he's accusing me of making false allegations.

My allegations are not false.  They are true.
As for pirateat40’s savings and loan, I was the only person providing insurance for deposits and when it collapsed I paid out everyone their insured amounts. Nothing but satisfied users, including our own famous NastyFans supporter, coblee.

Between this and BFL,

You sure seem to have a lot of experience when it comes to convincing other people to invest their money in ponzi schemes.

He left me the following negative feedback.



I feel like I've done a pretty good job of proving my point.

The question is:

Does OGNasty have experience convincing other people to invest in a ponzi scheme?

Can we agree that pirateat40s Bitcoin Savings and Trust was a massive ponzi scheme?

Does this seem like OgNasty is encouraging people to invest in it?



^^This is a screenshot from the post OgNasty instantly edited in the thread he instantly locked after I posted it.

Yes or No?


We can agree that pirateat40s Bitcoin Savings and Trust was a massive Ponzi scheme.

However, while your assertion that OgNasty encouraged people to invest in BS&T is technically correct, it is disingenuous at best. Only if Og knew that BS&T was a Ponzi when encouraging others to invest would make your assertion completely true. In addition, as it appears that Og was insuring peoples investments with BS&T, if he did not pay out those policies when the whole thing went bust then that would be a damning event that would warrant a lack of trustworthiness.

If I told people I would buy Nano for them using Bitgrail and that by doing so (and paying me a small fee) if the exchange went belly up I would cover the Nano they lost, that doesn't mean I was in anyway involved in the exchange going bust nor guilty of poor judgement so long as no reasonable person should have known the exchange would go bust when I encouraged people to use it.

As far as editing that previous post, it is beyond my expertise to verify claims like that.

I understand theres history between a lot of people on this thread but try and be dispassionate to better get your respective points across. As someone who has no history with any of the services mentioned or any of the parties involved (Disclaimer: OgNasty has served as an escrow for me once), I really don't see the merit behind the accusations in this thread.

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Pretty sure Trump would kick that skinny sausage frying dorks ass! Cheesy

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February 23, 2018, 01:47:58 AM
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As far as editing that previous post, it is beyond my expertise to verify claims like that.

Let's assume that I photoshopped of found some other way to manipulate the screenshot and that wasn't actually what OgNasty said.

What would you think of me?

Now let's assume that the screen shot I posted was not altered in any way and OgNasty did indeed edit the post and lock the thread within minutes of my post in this thread.

What would you think of OgNasty?


OgNasty,

we both know that you edited the post and locked the thread within minutes of me posting the screen shot.

Why'd you do that?



Edit: For the record I have not accused OGNasty of actually operating a ponzi.  I think nastyfans might be a ponzi, I am a former investor,  but I don't really feel like I am qualified to make that judgement.  

I am accusing OGNasty of lying and convincing other people to invest money (through his services) in the Butterfly Labs and Bitcoin Savings and Trust ponzis.  Also he's a dick.


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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

Read your own words please:


I think it is very misleading (at best) to say that OgN was trying to get people to invest in a ponzi.

It would be more accurate to say that OgN took out loans in order to invest in a ponzi, and subsequently made good on those loans when the ponzi collapsed.

I would also point out that my understanding is that although some people at the time were saying pirate40 was running a ponzi, the general consensus was that pirate40 was offering a "legitimate" investment, and that his what turned out to be a ponzi lasted a fairly long time, much longer than most illegitimate enterprises.

If you have legitimate concerns about OgN's (previous) business dealings, I don't think it should be an issue to raise these concerns, however I don't think this is a legitimate concern.

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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

Read your own words please:


I think it is very misleading (at best) to say that OgN was trying to get people to invest in a ponzi.

It would be more accurate to say that OgN took out loans in order to invest in a ponzi, and subsequently made good on those loans when the ponzi collapsed.

I would also point out that my understanding is that although some people at the time were saying pirate40 was running a ponzi, the general consensus was that pirate40 was offering a "legitimate" investment, and that his what turned out to be a ponzi lasted a fairly long time, much longer than most illegitimate enterprises.

If you have legitimate concerns about OgN's (previous) business dealings, I don't think it should be an issue to raise these concerns, however I don't think this is a legitimate concern.

So is OG saying he made good in full, that's what I have taken his previous statements as.. but looking at the thread it looks like only 65BTC of the 2000 was sent to investors

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February 23, 2018, 07:59:07 AM
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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

Read your own words please:


I think it is very misleading (at best) to say that OgN was trying to get people to invest in a ponzi.

It would be more accurate to say that OgN took out loans in order to invest in a ponzi, and subsequently made good on those loans when the ponzi collapsed.

I would also point out that my understanding is that although some people at the time were saying pirate40 was running a ponzi, the general consensus was that pirate40 was offering a "legitimate" investment, and that his what turned out to be a ponzi lasted a fairly long time, much longer than most illegitimate enterprises.

If you have legitimate concerns about OgN's (previous) business dealings, I don't think it should be an issue to raise these concerns, however I don't think this is a legitimate concern.

So is OG saying he made good in full, that's what I have taken his previous statements as.. but looking at the thread it looks like only 65BTC of the 2000 was sent to investors
I would suggest finding someone who had an insured deposit (funded a loan to OgN) who was not repaid in full, and report back.

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Long read, TLDR at bottom of post.


I've been doing some digging on OgNastys 2012 involvement in the massive ponzi scheme known as 'Bitcoin Savings and Trust' run by Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40.

I hope OgNasty will let me know if I'm wrong about any of this (with evidence) and share any missing relevant details.

- On April 7, 2012 OgNasty created this thread encouraging people to invest directly invest in pirateat40s ponzi scheme if possible.  Yesterday OgNasty edited the the first post in the thread.  I took a screen shot of the first half of the post but am unable to find a cached version with the full FAQ's that were originally posted.  Screenshot pre-edit.  (notice it says "Reserve Funds: Paid Out" - I'll be getting back to that)  He also locked the thread yesterday, some I'm unable to post any direct quotes from the thread and will be posting links to the posts instead and copy pasting the actual quotes into this thread.  About 14 hours ago I archived all posts in the thread in case OgNasty decides to edit any more posts.  I hope he doesn't.

- At the time, the ponzi scheme had waitlists and required a personal invite.

- Pirateat40 promised a return of 1% per day initially.  I know that this was eventually reduced, but I'm not sure when or by how much. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trendon_Shavers

- OgNasty created this thread for people who were unable to get a personal invite.

- He was offering those who invested with him 8% or more monthly payments based on how much in total was invested. (This is much less than the 1% daily - but both interest rates, 1% daily or 8% monthly,  are obviously not sustainable and should scream ponzi scheme to anyone with a basic understanding of finance.  I believe OgNasty was collecting far more than he was paying people back while the ponzi scheme was still paying out.  Keep in mind, the longer a ponzi scheme is able to appear solvent the more the scammer will have when they inevitably run off with the money,)

- In a April 11, 2012 post that was edited on April 26, 2012 OgNasty posted the terms of his "reserve funds":
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RESERVE FUND:

A Reserve Fund has been established to provide depositors with insurance against loss of deposits.  In the event of a Bitcoin Savings & Trust failure, the Reserve Fund will be paid out to depositors, proportionately to their deposits held as listed on this thread.

- April 16, 2012, OgNasty makes this post confirming he has received over BTC250. Apparantly this was a threshhold that allowed him to increase monthly payments by 1 or 2 %.

- April 23, 2012, OgNasty makes this post:

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BASE RATE INCREASE:

In order to encourage new deposits and reward all depositors for the growth of this program, I would like to announce a potential increase to the base rate on deposits.  Once there are 2000+ Total BTC Held in Deposits listed on this thread, the base rate will be increased from 8% to 10% for all depositors.

Note:
Having 2000+ Total BTC Held in Deposits will also enable the Reserve Fund to grow much faster, which will benefit all depositors.

The base rate may be lowered back to 8% if Total BTC Held in Deposits fall below 2000 BTC for a prolonged length of time.

- April 30, 2012 - OgNasty makes this post after sending out a BTC.01 test payment.

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I've sent out 0.01 BTC test payments to all depositors.  If you did not receive a 0.01 BTC test payment, you have about 20 hours to let me know before interest payments are sent.  If you did receive the test payment, all is well and you will receive your interest payment tomorrow.

- May 1, 2012 OgNasty makes this post:
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Interest payments have been sent.  Thank you to all my depositors.

- May 5, 2012 OgNasty makes this post confirming he has received over BTC2,000 in deposits.
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Congratulations to all depositors, as we have surpassed BTC2,000 in deposits and the base rate has been increased to 10%!  We also got a shiny new logo courtesy of Timbo925.

- May 11, 2012 OgNasty makes this post explaining that he would be taking 1% of all deposits to fund the reserve account.  At this point there are over BTC2,000 and the reserve account has BTC30.
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Deposits have been rising and I place the full deposit in my BS&T account, so it is not like I take 1% from each deposit and put it in the reserve fund.  After 1 month, from the very first deposit, I've built a 30 BTC reserve.  That amount will continue to rise and is not pegged to a %.  Now that we have a 2000+ BTC balance, that will enable the reserve fund to grow more quickly.  I will admit I have been focusing more on providing a higher base rate and interest rate loyalty rewards than building the reserve fund.

- May 23, 2012 OgNasty makes this post informing people that the reserve account is up to BTC50. (Still over BTC2000 invested)
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UPDATE:
Reserve Account has been increased to 50 BTC.
Deposits are now allowed at any time during the month.
Reinvesting interest is now allowed, PM me to signup.

- June 1, 2012 OgNasty makes second round of interest payments and shares details in this post  

According to the info he posts, he has now collected BTC2970 and paid out each investor between 3% and 11% on their investment (some investors bought in mid month so they receive a smaller cut based on when they invested.  The bigger investors received a 1% 2% or 3% bonus based on the size of their deposit.

Details of users and their addresses:
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Depositor Rate Reward Amount Payment Address
Anonymous №1 10% 100.00 10.00 1AYoshhS6VLYNWRNX5P6EWxUcrKLr16KLB
Wekkel - 10% 100.00 10.00 1LUPYsMBBAX937a16cTzMXMbnGv6pEfBPt
miscreanity 10% 10.00 1.00 1LdpVFiqFX7ymHp6AMhrNq8J9PQ5ZSLoeo
Anonymous №2 10% 50.00 5.00 18fDCUZ9wvcrMFfQogCHar3FE7E5tu95E2
exahash - 10% 1% 250.00 27.50 1KH1wM55KJe422Uun66T7RC176MLZyKbRn
chunglam - 10% 1% 250.00 27.50 1AMFex7h8b8TBD5WewZdHTqSQjMG8fiSsF
geodude - 10% 10.00 1.00 1MJK5LNAdqhyCEeqAnpMjckKaFr8NXtTGu
Anonymous №4 10% 1% 700.00 77.00 1mCJ9UpGPE8vok8StdobELZrW643tYFiF
Sturmvogel 10% 50.00 5.00 19qp1bSoi3LqQBSUVomGXGx3i6XfaHuxqj
nathantrumpet 10% 35.00 3.50 17foq9mtyFRK13cKc3aZ81SKKsZ7PSLPHN
drlatino999 10% 100.00 10.00 143epJQzwB5rJCWpQssave4UPuKL75EERi
Jonny Heggheim 10% 30.00 3.00 1MRnQVysnF9t91i5UPHsApFh4vRCvBwXux
iron77 - 10% 300.00 30.00 195TbM1SzZA9HzSaRDeKBiRLf8HzNqkGww
Tannke - 10% 400.00 40.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
Timbo925 10% 20.00 2.00 1AYWHj7BNDwfvCpQ4rqM3BhMipmZUe3pUj
squirrelman 10% 50.00 5.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

Mid-Month Deposits:
drlatino999 5% 40.00 2.00 143epJQzwB5rJCWpQssave4UPuKL75EERi
Uncle Scrooge 5% 250.00 12.50 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
Anonymous №5 5% 100.00 5.00 1GyocUADnTd5aZRRrNLGFTVXNiyaacpPQm
Buckwheet 5% 50.00 2.50 17Ge71XYfHKFC7Lzkq7fs5RwerPEEaySqR
CecilNiosaki 3% 75.00 2.25 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

- June 24, 2012 OgNasty makes this post offering a bump up to 12% monthly return as long as the total investment was greater than BTC2,000

- July 1, 2012 OgNasty makes his third monthly interest payment in this post  At this point he has BTC2638.25 invested.
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MONTHLY PAYMENTS SENT:

Interest payments have been sent to depositors for the month of June.
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Account Opened Depositor Rate Reward Amount Payment Address
4/7/2012 Anonymous №1 10% 100.00 10.00 1AYoshhS6VLYNWRNX5P6EWxUcrKLr16KLB
4/10/2012 Anonymous №2 10% 50.00 5.00 18fDCUZ9wvcrMFfQogCHar3FE7E5tu95E2
4/11/2012 exahash - 10% 2% 250.00 30.00 1KH1wM55KJe422Uun66T7RC176MLZyKbRn
4/11/2012 geodude - 10% 10.00 1.00 1MJK5LNAdqhyCEeqAnpMjckKaFr8NXtTGu
4/13/2012 Anonymous №4 10% 3% 700.00 91.00 1mCJ9UpGPE8vok8StdobELZrW643tYFiF
5/1/2012 Jonny Heggheim 10% 30.00 3.00 1MRnQVysnF9t91i5UPHsApFh4vRCvBwXux
5/3/2012 Tannke - 10% 1% 440.00 48.40 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/6/2012 squirrelman 10% 65.00 6.50 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/12/2012 Uncle Scrooge 10% 1% 487.50 53.63 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/21/2012 CecilNiosaki 10% 1% 252.25 27.75 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

Mid-Month Deposits:
6/7/2012 Tannke - 8% 120.00 9.60 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN - ADD ON
6/11/2012 Uncle Scrooge 6% 12.50 0.75 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN - ADD ON
6/18/2012 cst - - - 4% 11.00 0.44 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
6/19/2012 BitLoan 3% 10.00 0.30 1HshtPD1bSqH4KD9czH2fiNMTJxC6XsxTh
6/30/2012 notawake 0% 100.00 0.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

- July 2, 2012 OgNasty makes this post.  Apparently pirateat40 has lowered interest rates.  The end is near.
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There will be some adjustments to adapt to the new lower rates at Bitcoin Savings & Trust.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90327.msg1004085#msg1004085

We have also dipped below the 2000 BTC requirement and the interest rate has now dropped back down to 8% monthly.   Embarrassed

- July 21, 2012 OgNasty makes this post Updating the current reserve to BTC65.  Important: This is the last mention I can find on the total value of the reserve account that OgNasty is using to insure investors.
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UPDATE:
Reserve Account has been increased to 65 BTC.
Base rate will remain at 8% after the BS&T rate reduction.
Rewards will be limited to 2% after the BS&T rate reduction.

- August 1, 2012 OgNasty makes this post
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I'm awaiting a withdrawal from BS&T.  All payments/withdrawals will be made as soon as this transfer is completed.

- August 2, 2012 OgNasty makes this post.  Note: unlike previous months no details on total invested or paid out are shared.
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All payments and withdrawals have been processed for July.  Thank you.

- August 17, 2012 OgNasty makes this post confirming that it was a scam all along.
It's also worth noting that OgNasty he was considering working to continue running his 'program' but would more likely focus on his NastyMining project.  So, he thought about continuing to run a ponzi scheme, but would be most likely he would look into creating his own project, Nasty Mining.  Let that sink in for a minute.
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Due to the news of BTCST closing, I have requested all funds from the account and will be returning them to depositors as soon as received.

I will be looking into options to keep the program running in one form or another, but most likely I will close this program down to focus on NastyMining.  Thank you to all my depositors.

UPDATE:
Bitcoin Savings & Trust is officially in default and the reserve fund has been paid out to depositors.
So the reserve funds were worth BTC65 (maybe a bit more) and the actual investments worth worth way more than BTC1,000, quite possibly well over BTC2,000.  Nobody confirmed getting their investment back.  The only direct claim he made was that the "reserve fund has been paid out".  Again, reserve fund = ~BTC65, investments = ~BTC2,000.



Note, I have only taken a cursory look at the deposit addresses and none of them seem to line up with any sort of full refund of their investment.
If OgNasty chooses to dispute the results of my investigation, I will surely do so.
Hopefully someone will help out as this is quite a pain in the ass.




TLDR-

- Beginning in April (April 7, 2012) OgNasty collected funds from investors and offered between 8% and 12% monthly return on investment.
- OgNasty invested the funds he collected in Pirateat40's massive ponzi scheme that offered 1% daily to start and later lowered it.  (He likely made quite a bit considering 12% monthly is far less than 1% daily)
- OgNasty claimed to have BTC2970 invested on June 1, 2012 and BTC2638.25 on July 1.
- OgNasty claimed to be taking 1% of all investments to set aside as a "reserve account" in case pireateat40 scammed.
- On July 21, 2012 , OgNasty confirmed that the reserve fund was worth BTC65 .  I can't find anywhere confirming it was any higher than that.
- On August 17, 2012, OgNasty confirmed that pirateat40 had defaulted "Bitcoin Savings & Trust is officially in default and the reserve fund has been paid out to depositors."
- Around BTC2,000 invested - Around BTC65 returned.  OgNasty was returning 8%-12% monthly for about three months while investing in a ponzi scheme that was paying out as much as 1% daily.  Yet OgNasty still claims to have been doing the community a favor.


Edit; Fixed a few typos.  If I end up adding anything of significance I will make note.

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February 23, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
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The pirate situation was ~6 years ago. If any users of my service had a complaint, I’d be happy to address it with them, even after all this time has passed. Since there is no complaint and I paid out the insured deposits as I had agreed with the users, there is nothing to discuss here. The pirateat40 situation involved law enforcement and the authorities have prosecuted the guilty parties for the situation already. My involvement has been cleared by the folks who are paid to investigate these situations.

As for the NastyMining tie in, you’re damn right I was angry about pirate stealing everyone’s funds and was sick of all the scams in the community. I vowed to help create a project capable of returning BTC to users that wouldn’t fail so that there would be at least one non-scam option on this forum going forward. I’m happy to say that while NastyMining is still just a baby, I’m quite happy with the hundreds of BTC donated by it to NastyFans and distributed to BTC users so far and look forward to that number increasing for decades into the future.

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The pirate situation was ~6 years ago. If any users of my service had a complaint, I’d be happy to address it with them, even after all this time has passed. Since there is no complaint and I paid out the insured deposits as I had agreed with the users, there is nothing to discuss here. The pirateat40 situation involved law enforcement and the authorities have prosecuted the guilty parties for the situation already. My involvement has been cleared by the folks who are paid to investigate these situations.

As for the NastyMining tie in, you’re damn right I was angry about pirate stealing everyone’s funds and was sick of all the scams in the community. I vowed to help create a project capable of returning BTC to users that wouldn’t fail so that there would be at least one non-scam option on this forum going forward. I’m happy to say that while NastyMining is still just a baby, I’m quite happy with the hundreds of BTC donated by it to NastyFans and distributed to BTC users so far and look forward to that number increasing for decades into the future.

Could you please just give me rough estimate?

When it was discovered that Pirateat40 was running a massive ponzi scheme, how much did your group of investors have invested?

How much did you return to investors after the fact?

It really seems like you returned well under BTC100 (give or take BTC30) to investors after you collected around BTC2,000 (give or take a couple hundred).


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BITCOINS DISTRIBUTED:


Edit: This was a response to owlcatz’ now deleted post claiming NastyFans hadn’t distributed any BTC.

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BITCOINS DISTRIBUTED:


Hey thanks for the response.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "distributed" ?

Does this include interest payments?

What I'm really interested in (and I think other members of the community should be as well) is how much was invested through your service in August 2012 when pirateat40 defaulted.

After he defaulted how much did you return to the people you collected from?

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February 24, 2018, 01:49:36 AM
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We know that you made at least 3, maybe 4 interest payments.
We don't have details on your first payment  on May 1 or (if it was made) an interest payment on August 1.  

Here's what we know about the interest you paid out for June and July:
On June 1 you paid out BTC281.75 in interest payments. (at the time you had BTC2,970 invested)
On July 1 you paid out BTC287.37 in interest payments. (at the time you had BTC2,638.25 invested)

So thats a total of BTC569.12

Does the BTC724.27 distribution you just posted about include the BTC569.12 ?

Hope that makes sense.  Let me know if I need to clarify anything.


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With regards to the Bitcoin Savings and Trust repeated lies...

I PROVIDED INSURANCE AGAINST DEPOSITS FOR BS&T.  When the ponzi failed, ONLY USERS WHO MADE DEPOSITS WITH ME RECOVERED FUNDS.  EVERYONE ELSE LOST EVERYTHING.  You are literally providing evidence for why I should be trusted, and how I've helped users recover funds from scams while trying to spin it as me funneling funds into a ponzi.  It's things like this that are evidence for why nobody should believe anything you trolls say.  You spread lies to try and cover up your own deviant activities.

Pathetic.

I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes

Wording here... Only users who made deposits with me recovered funds?? Doesn't say that it was only a couple of %.......  as usual snake oil OG

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February 24, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
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Do you trust this man to be on Default trust?

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the previous poll regarding OG as forum treasurer was as close as a coin flip with only just over 50% of votes to keep him as treasurer - seeing as the DT list has a big affect on the Users of this forum...... should this cheap sausage loving, balding, silly 12 year old pube beard be allowed to make decisions on the trust network??

you decide peeps.

He has recently taken to publicly displaying PM's as well... watch out guys..

Whats the problem with this man? For me he is looking good and really handsome.

Are you jealous because of his yacht or anybody offered you rewards to spread bad about this guy? lol

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Do you trust this man to be on Default trust?




the previous poll regarding OG as forum treasurer was as close as a coin flip with only just over 50% of votes to keep him as treasurer - seeing as the DT list has a big affect on the Users of this forum...... should this cheap sausage loving, balding, silly 12 year old pube beard be allowed to make decisions on the trust network??

you decide peeps.

He has recently taken to publicly displaying PM's as well... watch out guys..

Whats the problem with this man? For me he is looking good and really handsome.

Are you jealous because of his yacht or anybody offered you rewards to spread bad about this guy? lol



Yacht?? Ha ha ha and handsome? He looks like he touches chicken genitalia for fun

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Is he even old enough to be tried as an adult? Had no idea he was just a kid. Poor little scrap. Still it means he's got time to turn his life around and go straight.

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BITCOINS DISTRIBUTED:


Edit: This was a response to owlcatz’ now deleted post claiming NastyFans hadn’t distributed any BTC.

My apologies for assuming you were responding to me.

Could you please let the community know:

1- How much had you collected from investors in August 2012 when pirateat40's scam was confirmed?  
2 - After he defaulted how much did you return to the people you collected from?
(rough estimates are fine if you don't have the exact ammounts)

Right now the evidence is pointing to you having collected from investors around BTC2,000 and returning around BTC65 and then over the next 5+ years implying that investors were made whole and that you actually did them a favor.  This is what most of your reputation as one of BTCTalks most trusted members is built on.
However...
You've made it a lot more difficult to figure out exactly what happened by going back and deleting/editing your thread weeks, months and even 5+ years after the fact.
I'm trying to be fair here and give you a chance to explain what happened.
If you have nothing to hide, just share the facts.

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Hm, i have another question: if, for example, we (as community) decided to remove someone from DT 1, how it will looks like?
Only theymos can remove someone from DT1?

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February 26, 2018, 05:31:12 PM
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Hm, i have another question: if, for example, we (as community) decided to remove someone from DT 1, how it will looks like?
Only theymos can remove someone from DT1?
AFAIK only theymos can remove someone from DT1. So, only you (and whoever else removes him) will see the difference (i.e with this user's feedbacks showing as Untrusted).


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February 26, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
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Hm, i have another question: if, for example, we (as community) decided to remove someone from DT 1, how it will looks like?
Only theymos can remove someone from DT1?

Theymos may take action if there is enough public interest in it. Although members need to be aware that OG loves to tag red paint against those who speak out against him.

He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.

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Tman What happened this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.0

You missing this review that time too and now also, wish you ought to learn how people likes OG than you or your gang.

Who is this scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3108191.msg32111446#msg32111446
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

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Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

I'm not sharing private information regarding my customers with you.  I will say that your numbers are hilariously incorrect and display your incompetence nicely.  

You seem to think I need to defend myself to you.  I don't.  My customers were thrilled to receive their insured payouts, law enforcement arrested the guilty parties, nobody using my service had a complaint, and you are a confirmed scam artist and liar.  Case closed.  

I edited my post because it contained outdated information.  When these things are brought to my attention that are no longer true I correct them.  No conspiracy.

As you have nothing new to bring to the conversation but lies and I've responded to you twice now, back on ignore you go.  

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February 26, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
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Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

I'm not sharing private information regarding my customers with you.  I will say that your numbers are hilariously incorrect and display your incompetence nicely.  

As you have nothing new to bring the the conversation but lies and I've responded to you twice now, back on ignore you go.  

Not asking for any private information about your customers.  We have usernames and bitcoin addresses.  I'm giving you a chance to defend yourself.  Of course if you aren't able to defend yourself with facts (numbers), it would make sense why you would simply ignore my request.

At this point, it's really more about the cover up - not the crime.

1- How much had you collected from investors in August 2012 when pirateat40's scam was confirmed?  
2 - After he defaulted how much did you return to the people you collected from?
(rough estimates are fine if you don't have the exact ammounts)

I'll add one more now:
3 - Why did you go back and edit your post from 5+ years ago last week, within 2 minutes of me posting a link to your Bitcoin Savings and Trust thread.
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I edited my post because it contained outdated information.  When these things are brought to my attention that are no longer true I correct them.  No conspiracy.

Since OgNasty will very likely ignore these questions, I'm hoping someone who he doesn't hate will ask him these same questions.

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February 26, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
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Also, I'd like to thank you for removing the false information you left in my feedback over 18 months ago. (although you immediately replaced it with more false feedback)

You left me negative rep for being an alt of Game-Protect (initially you accused both me and Game-Protect of being alts of Luptin....obviously fales)

Then you realized you were wrong and removed it.  Awesome!  Although first you contacted EcuaMobi to convince him to remove his positive trust that negated your negative trust.

Then you quickly posted more fake feedback for me "accusing you of having experience in convincing people to invest in ponzi schemes"



I quickly proved you wrong by posting the following screenshot from your Bitcoin Savings and trust thread:



Less than two minutes later you edited your 5+ year old post (sad!), but then you deleted the feedback (good!)

Shortly after, you left more negative feedback, most of which is false.  (to be fair, I believe that you don't trust me, so that's fine.  But pretty much everything else you posted is absolutely a lie.  Rest assured I will once again prove that your claims against me are completely false and provide plenty of evidence to support my claim.)




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February 26, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.
I saw it.

I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

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I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

so... not 1 (piraet) not 2 (BFL) not 3 (Casino) but 4 total (loss making PonziFans)

so someone on Default trust has encouraged people to lose BTC through 4 individual channels ? Then whenever anyone speaks out about it he tags them with a red neg? wow this is a truly scummy individual.

I really am struggling to understand how such an individual can be kept on the Default trust list, he indicates he made people whole but he didn't and I bet if someone actually did the math they would prove that he profited from the Ponzi - same way as his magic accounting has led to him profiting from the IPO he ran.




 

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LMAO I just read these threads. How futile and stupid.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.60

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.0


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February 27, 2018, 09:03:21 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.
I saw it.

I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

@QS, I was under the same impression until I put the effort into digging through the 5+ year old thread he created and doing some number crunching.

I plan on making a comprehensive post soon with some educated guesses on how much he collected, how much he paid out and how much he kept for himself.  I think I have enough to prove that OgNasty profited well over BTC1,000 during the ~4 months he was collecting funds from the community while his 'reserve fund' returned ~BTC65 to investors after the scam was exposed.  The members who invested and withdrew their funds before August 2012 also profited ~8 - 20% on their investment (as with any ponzi scheme, those who divest their funds before everyone else is robbed are paid out to build trust and encourage others to invest) , pirateat40 also obviously profited and everyone else lost a shitload.

Like I said, I will be making detailed post backed up with evidence very soon.

In the meantime this post seems very relevant:



edit: couple typos

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February 28, 2018, 09:22:23 AM
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Just a hint: (also for TMAN) if you guys are trying to make a point here, I'd refrain from taking it to a personal level. This really hurts you more than it helps. And I'm perfectly sure you guys know very well that a photo of some guy making sausage on a boat says little to nothing about whay you're trying to make a point for.
Is he even old enough to be tried as an adult? Had no idea he was just a kid. Poor little scrap. Still it means he's got time to turn his life around and go straight.

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Just a hint: (also for TMAN) if you guys are trying to make a point here, I'd refrain from taking it to a personal level. This really hurts you more than it helps. And I'm perfectly sure you guys know very well that a photo of some guy making sausage on a boat says little to nothing about whay you're trying to make a point for.
Is he even old enough to be tried as an adult? Had no idea he was just a kid. Poor little scrap. Still it means he's got time to turn his life around and go straight.

Totally agree - I have stopped the mud slinging now!