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Question: should Og Be Removed from DT1  (Voting closes: February 13, 2045, 09:11:57 AM)
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February 26, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
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Hm, i have another question: if, for example, we (as community) decided to remove someone from DT 1, how it will looks like?
Only theymos can remove someone from DT1?

Theymos may take action if there is enough public interest in it. Although members need to be aware that OG loves to tag red paint against those who speak out against him.

He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

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February 26, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.

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February 26, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
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Tman What happened this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.0

You missing this review that time too and now also, wish you ought to learn how people likes OG than you or your gang.

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February 26, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

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February 26, 2018, 08:35:33 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

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February 26, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
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Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

I'm not sharing private information regarding my customers with you.  I will say that your numbers are hilariously incorrect and display your incompetence nicely.  

You seem to think I need to defend myself to you.  I don't.  My customers were thrilled to receive their insured payouts, law enforcement arrested the guilty parties, nobody using my service had a complaint, and you are a confirmed scam artist and liar.  Case closed.  

I edited my post because it contained outdated information.  When these things are brought to my attention that are no longer true I correct them.  No conspiracy.

As you have nothing new to bring to the conversation but lies and I've responded to you twice now, back on ignore you go.  

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February 26, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
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Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.

I'm not sharing private information regarding my customers with you.  I will say that your numbers are hilariously incorrect and display your incompetence nicely.  

As you have nothing new to bring the the conversation but lies and I've responded to you twice now, back on ignore you go.  

Not asking for any private information about your customers.  We have usernames and bitcoin addresses.  I'm giving you a chance to defend yourself.  Of course if you aren't able to defend yourself with facts (numbers), it would make sense why you would simply ignore my request.

At this point, it's really more about the cover up - not the crime.

1- How much had you collected from investors in August 2012 when pirateat40's scam was confirmed?  
2 - After he defaulted how much did you return to the people you collected from?
(rough estimates are fine if you don't have the exact ammounts)

I'll add one more now:
3 - Why did you go back and edit your post from 5+ years ago last week, within 2 minutes of me posting a link to your Bitcoin Savings and Trust thread.
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I edited my post because it contained outdated information.  When these things are brought to my attention that are no longer true I correct them.  No conspiracy.

Since OgNasty will very likely ignore these questions, I'm hoping someone who he doesn't hate will ask him these same questions.

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February 26, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
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Also, I'd like to thank you for removing the false information you left in my feedback over 18 months ago. (although you immediately replaced it with more false feedback)

You left me negative rep for being an alt of Game-Protect (initially you accused both me and Game-Protect of being alts of Luptin....obviously fales)

Then you realized you were wrong and removed it.  Awesome!  Although first you contacted EcuaMobi to convince him to remove his positive trust that negated your negative trust.

Then you quickly posted more fake feedback for me "accusing you of having experience in convincing people to invest in ponzi schemes"



I quickly proved you wrong by posting the following screenshot from your Bitcoin Savings and trust thread:



Less than two minutes later you edited your 5+ year old post (sad!), but then you deleted the feedback (good!)

Shortly after, you left more negative feedback, most of which is false.  (to be fair, I believe that you don't trust me, so that's fine.  But pretty much everything else you posted is absolutely a lie.  Rest assured I will once again prove that your claims against me are completely false and provide plenty of evidence to support my claim.)




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February 26, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.
I saw it.

I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

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I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

so... not 1 (piraet) not 2 (BFL) not 3 (Casino) but 4 total (loss making PonziFans)

so someone on Default trust has encouraged people to lose BTC through 4 individual channels ? Then whenever anyone speaks out about it he tags them with a red neg? wow this is a truly scummy individual.

I really am struggling to understand how such an individual can be kept on the Default trust list, he indicates he made people whole but he didn't and I bet if someone actually did the math they would prove that he profited from the Ponzi - same way as his magic accounting has led to him profiting from the IPO he ran.




 

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February 27, 2018, 03:03:26 PM
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LMAO I just read these threads. How futile and stupid.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.60

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.0


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February 27, 2018, 09:03:21 PM
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He also likes to send unsolicited PM's of an antagonistic nature to people he doesn't get on with

Would you rather I posted the results of your Kialara manipulation attempts publicly?  I didn't want to embarrass you as I know you only recognize things in BTC and have suffered some extremely hefty losses in that area.
Boom! Got ‘em.

QS, could you check out this post and let me know what you think.

Og is refusing to clarify anything but the more digging I do, the more likely it's looking Og was running a ponzi scheme layer on top of pirateat40s ponzi scheme.
I saw it.

I was previously under the impression that OgNasty was insuring depositors in whole and personality took losses when the ponzi collapsed. This was based on his statements in this (?) thread.

Based on what you posted, if true, he was retaining a portion of the interest into an insurance fund whose purpose was to insure against losses from the ponzi with the understanding that those were all the funds to be used to guard against losses. If this is true, then it would technically be correct to say that OgNasty was taking money to be sent to what turned out to be a ponzi. However I am unsure if it would be reasonable to say OgNasty should have known pirate was running a ponzi, especially considering how long it ran for. Also I understand that many others were not aware this was a ponzi. I would say that as long as OgNasty followed through on what he said he would do, I have no issue. If old posts have been deleted/edited, you can ask OgNasty what they said, and if he won’t answer, you can ask theymos for the old posts. Considering the amount of time since the incident and how public this was, I find it fairly unlikely you will find evidence of OgNasty not following through on his obligations, especially if no one has spoken publicly about this.

OgNasty also doesn’t have a history of supporting scams like some other ‘reputable’ members do. He might have nudged some people into putting money into what turned out to be a ponzi ~5 years ago, and advertised a shady casino about 18 months ago. (I also believe he may have advertised BFL, however he very much was not in a position to know about their actual schignans and they were a major company in the mining industry).

@QS, I was under the same impression until I put the effort into digging through the 5+ year old thread he created and doing some number crunching.

I plan on making a comprehensive post soon with some educated guesses on how much he collected, how much he paid out and how much he kept for himself.  I think I have enough to prove that OgNasty profited well over BTC1,000 during the ~4 months he was collecting funds from the community while his 'reserve fund' returned ~BTC65 to investors after the scam was exposed.  The members who invested and withdrew their funds before August 2012 also profited ~8 - 20% on their investment (as with any ponzi scheme, those who divest their funds before everyone else is robbed are paid out to build trust and encourage others to invest) , pirateat40 also obviously profited and everyone else lost a shitload.

Like I said, I will be making detailed post backed up with evidence very soon.

In the meantime this post seems very relevant:



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February 28, 2018, 09:22:23 AM
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Just a hint: (also for TMAN) if you guys are trying to make a point here, I'd refrain from taking it to a personal level. This really hurts you more than it helps. And I'm perfectly sure you guys know very well that a photo of some guy making sausage on a boat says little to nothing about whay you're trying to make a point for.
Is he even old enough to be tried as an adult? Had no idea he was just a kid. Poor little scrap. Still it means he's got time to turn his life around and go straight.

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February 28, 2018, 10:04:15 AM
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Just a hint: (also for TMAN) if you guys are trying to make a point here, I'd refrain from taking it to a personal level. This really hurts you more than it helps. And I'm perfectly sure you guys know very well that a photo of some guy making sausage on a boat says little to nothing about whay you're trying to make a point for.
Is he even old enough to be tried as an adult? Had no idea he was just a kid. Poor little scrap. Still it means he's got time to turn his life around and go straight.

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Ok, I've gathered enough evidence to prove that  from April 2011 - August 2011 OgNasty:
-Made a shitload of Bitcoin during his "Bitcoin Pass Through" program with virtually no risk for himself
-Since then has lied about what actually happened and gone out of his way to cover up facts by editing and deleting posts/locking thread.

The Facts

- April 11th, 2011 OgNasty created the "Bitcoin Pass Through" Program.

- He collected funds from investors and made monthly payouts ranging from 8-12% monthly.

- He invested the funds with pirateat40's Bitcoin Savings and Trust, which paid out investors 7% weekly

- He created a reserve:
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A Reserve Fund has been established to provide depositors with insurance against loss of deposits.  In the event of a Bitcoin Savings & Trust failure, the Reserve Fund will be paid out to depositors, proportionately to their deposits held as listed on this thread.
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The target for the reserve account is 100%.  The question is, how long will it take to get there?  I am hesitant to commit to an exact % of profits that will go to the reserve account, but I plan to increase it on a regular basis as interest payments are paid out.

- May 1, 2011 he made his first interest payment (unfortunately there are no records in the thread of reserve size, total invested or total interest payment for this payout)

- May 5, 2011 he confirmed that the total investments had surpassed BTC2,000

- May 11, 2011 He confirmed that the total reserve was BTC30.  On May 23, 2011 he confirmed that the total reserve was BTC50

- June 1, 2011 - second monthly interest payments are made.  (We have the data for these payments.)
-- BTC2,970 invested total
-- BTC2455 full month deposits
-- BTC515 mid month deposits (reduced interest)
-- BTC281.75 are paid to investors

-- Assuming OgNasty was receiving the standard 1% daily return* he received BTC761.05 off the full month deposits and BTC77.25 from the mid month investors for a total of BTC838.3
BTC 838.3      From pirateat40 ==>  OgNasty
BTC281.75     From OgNasty   ==>  OgN Investors
BTC50            From OgNasty   ==>  Reserve Fund
BTC506.55     From OgNasty   ==>  OgNastys Pocket


BTC506.55 Total OgNasty profited personally (without risk) for ONE MONTH (May 2011)

*I'm not sure whether he was receiving compound interest or not, so I'm going to calculate it as if he wasn't since it's the lower amount

I'll continue to do the Jul1 Payouts soon (we have all data for that month as well).
Keep in mind though, this whole thing came crashing down in August.  There were only 4 payout periods (not including the final lol Reserve payout made on Sept 1)  Anyone who had money invested with OgNasty in August had their entire deposit stolen.  

Does this seem plausible?




If anyone wants to check my math:
Code:
Depositor Rate Reward Amount Payment Address
Anonymous №1 10% 100.00 10.00 1AYoshhS6VLYNWRNX5P6EWxUcrKLr16KLB
Wekkel - 10% 100.00 10.00 1LUPYsMBBAX937a16cTzMXMbnGv6pEfBPt
miscreanity 10% 10.00 1.00 1LdpVFiqFX7ymHp6AMhrNq8J9PQ5ZSLoeo
Anonymous №2 10% 50.00 5.00 18fDCUZ9wvcrMFfQogCHar3FE7E5tu95E2
exahash - 10% 1% 250.00 27.50 1KH1wM55KJe422Uun66T7RC176MLZyKbRn
chunglam - 10% 1% 250.00 27.50 1AMFex7h8b8TBD5WewZdHTqSQjMG8fiSsF
geodude - 10% 10.00 1.00 1MJK5LNAdqhyCEeqAnpMjckKaFr8NXtTGu
Anonymous №4 10% 1% 700.00 77.00 1mCJ9UpGPE8vok8StdobELZrW643tYFiF
Sturmvogel 10% 50.00 5.00 19qp1bSoi3LqQBSUVomGXGx3i6XfaHuxqj
nathantrumpet 10% 35.00 3.50 17foq9mtyFRK13cKc3aZ81SKKsZ7PSLPHN
drlatino999 10% 100.00 10.00 143epJQzwB5rJCWpQssave4UPuKL75EERi
Jonny Heggheim 10% 30.00 3.00 1MRnQVysnF9t91i5UPHsApFh4vRCvBwXux
iron77 - 10% 300.00 30.00 195TbM1SzZA9HzSaRDeKBiRLf8HzNqkGww
Tannke - 10% 400.00 40.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
Timbo925 10% 20.00 2.00 1AYWHj7BNDwfvCpQ4rqM3BhMipmZUe3pUj
squirrelman 10% 50.00 5.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

Mid-Month Deposits:
drlatino999 5% 40.00 2.00 143epJQzwB5rJCWpQssave4UPuKL75EERi
Uncle Scrooge 5% 250.00 12.50 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
Anonymous №5 5% 100.00 5.00 1GyocUADnTd5aZRRrNLGFTVXNiyaacpPQm
Buckwheet 5% 50.00 2.50 17Ge71XYfHKFC7Lzkq7fs5RwerPEEaySqR
CecilNiosaki 3% 75.00 2.25 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN


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March 02, 2018, 08:57:07 PM
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- July 1, 2011 - third monthly interest payments are made.  (We have the data for these payments.)
-- BTC2,638.25 invested total
-- BTC276.28 full month deposits
-- BTC11.09 mid month deposits (reduced interest)
-- BTC287.37 total is paid to investors

-- Assuming OgNasty was receiving the standard 1% daily return* he received BTC715.425 off the full month deposits and BTC38.02 from the mid month investors for a total of BTC753.445
BTC 753.445      From pirateat40 ==>  OgNasty
BTC287.37     From OgNasty   ==>  OgN Investors
BTC15            From OgNasty   ==>  Reserve Fund
BTC451.075     From OgNasty   ==>  OgNastys Pocket


BTC451.075 Total OgNasty profited personally (without risk) for ONE MONTH (June 2011)

*I'm not sure whether he was receiving compound interest or not, so I'm going to calculate it as if he wasn't since it's the lower amount

If you want to check my math:

Code:
Account Opened Depositor Rate Reward Amount Payment Address
4/7/2012 Anonymous №1 10% 100.00 10.00 1AYoshhS6VLYNWRNX5P6EWxUcrKLr16KLB
4/10/2012 Anonymous №2 10% 50.00 5.00 18fDCUZ9wvcrMFfQogCHar3FE7E5tu95E2
4/11/2012 exahash - 10% 2% 250.00 30.00 1KH1wM55KJe422Uun66T7RC176MLZyKbRn
4/11/2012 geodude - 10% 10.00 1.00 1MJK5LNAdqhyCEeqAnpMjckKaFr8NXtTGu
4/13/2012 Anonymous №4 10% 3% 700.00 91.00 1mCJ9UpGPE8vok8StdobELZrW643tYFiF
5/1/2012 Jonny Heggheim 10% 30.00 3.00 1MRnQVysnF9t91i5UPHsApFh4vRCvBwXux
5/3/2012 Tannke - 10% 1% 440.00 48.40 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/6/2012 squirrelman 10% 65.00 6.50 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/12/2012 Uncle Scrooge 10% 1% 487.50 53.63 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
5/21/2012 CecilNiosaki 10% 1% 252.25 27.75 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN

Mid-Month Deposits:
6/7/2012 Tannke - 8% 120.00 9.60 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN - ADD ON
6/11/2012 Uncle Scrooge 6% 12.50 0.75 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN - ADD ON
6/18/2012 cst - - - 4% 11.00 0.44 INTEREST ROLLOVER PLAN
6/19/2012 BitLoan 3% 10.00 0.30 1HshtPD1bSqH4KD9czH2fiNMTJxC6XsxTh
6/30/2012 notawake 0% 100.00 0.00 INTEREST ROLLOVER

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March 02, 2018, 10:06:54 PM
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(I haven't verified what you are claiming, but I will tentatively say I will give you that I believe your claims are true) What exactly do you think OgNasty did wrong in making that much profit (I would also note that bitcoin mostly traded in the single digits in 2011, with a bubble high of $31)? Should OgNasty have taken less for himself? If so, why should he be restricted in how much he can charge for his services, especially if he is being transparent in how much he is paying out?

I might note that ADR sponsors typically enjoy similar arrangements in that they create a security that owns a single foreign stock (or bond?), take a fee, and if the security ends up being worthless, the owners of the ADR end up with nothing.

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(I haven't verified what you are claiming, but I will tentatively say I will give you that I believe your claims are true) What exactly do you think OgNasty did wrong in making that much profit (I would also note that bitcoin mostly traded in the single digits in 2011, with a bubble high of $31)? Should OgNasty have taken less for himself? If so, why should he be restricted in how much he can charge for his services, especially if he is being transparent in how much he is paying out?

I might note that ADR sponsors typically enjoy similar arrangements in that they create a security that owns a single foreign stock (or bond?), take a fee, and if the security ends up being worthless, the owners of the ADR end up with nothing.

I think he's been very deceptive since it ended, leading many to believe (including myself) that these 'insured deposits' provided significant protection, when, in reality the reserve fund provided barely any relief at all.

He's also clearly gone out of his way to edit and delete several posts including the numbers for the first and last month of his "program"

I'm sure there are many more examples of this but:



and his recent feedback he left me:



I've actually stopped short of actually accusing him of running a ponzi.  I'm not sure what would actually qualify.  He's been far from honest about it though.

He seems to not hate you.  Could you ask him what the total reserve payout was? (Since we don't have the numbers from July)


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I certainly don't like the editing of the old posts, and the (potentailly) misrepresenting of exactly what happened years after the fact (although a large part of this is assuming your research is accurate, and your statements are accurately reflective of your findings....I have not looked into the accuracy of your research in this case), although the later could very well be him misremembering and making statements without specifically looking at the exact details.

Since you didn't invest in his passthrough, and you brought this up years after the fact, I really don't think it matters if you feel you were mislead about the situation. Being mislead would not have reasonably changed your mind about any financial decision. I would also point out that it is not clear how large the losses were, if any of the money was recovered (and returned to investors).

As long as OgNasty did not mislead investors, and followed through with what he said he was going to do, I honestly do not see the issue.

edit: actually thinking about it a little more, OgNasty did say all investors were not made whole, as he said that nearly everyone had gains, and that those who did not get out in time were paid the insured amounts.

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