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October 03, 2017, 10:47:39 AM
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Hi,
 i was reading about theese new Syan miners, but never heard about this company. Did anybody have any experience with them or is it just another scam?

https://syanmining.com/hardware/
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October 03, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
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So far all they have is a bunch of press releases and not much proof the chip exists.
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October 03, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
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Looks like a nice miner though! Website is a little bit slow, but looks quite polished.

seems to me like they're designing it as a home miner (especially with the water cooled parts). one thing that i'm not sure about though is the fan working @ 6,200 RPM - seems very high to me, which might indicate it would be very noisy if aimed at being a home miner.

I would question why they haven't been active on this forum though. If they were going to introduce themselves as a new bona fide manufacturer, then they would definitely have a relationship with the forum, and most probably some of the more senior and serious miners.

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October 03, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
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it is listed as sold out.  No visuals .  Another wait and see item.

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October 03, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
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Either this is a new venture for them or a 'startup company'

Site was recently registered.
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Registration Date: 2017-06-23
Expiration Date: 2018-06-23
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October 03, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
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If I remember the "about us" on their page (which won't load a darn thing without javascript, screw them and their web designer) they claim to have been around in the LA area but moved operations to China sometime last year. So who were they back then?

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October 04, 2017, 02:30:35 AM
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Syan Technologies - Fintech arm of the Dubai-based Zahrani Group
They are working on LTC miners now. interesting miner but we need more information
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October 04, 2017, 05:17:35 AM
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I looked up Zahrani group

http://www.alzahrani.com.sa/about.html

It says they manufacture spoons and stuff like that. I don't know whether this is the only Zahrani group though.

No other search turned up any result. Also tried calling them (cus I'm in Asia) no one answered as well.

Haven't had time to visit HK yet. If I do I'll probably give their HQ a visit
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October 04, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
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I looked up Zahrani group

http://www.alzahrani.com.sa/about.html

It says they manufacture spoons and stuff like that. I don't know whether this is the only Zahrani group though.

No other search turned up any result. Also tried calling them (cus I'm in Asia) no one answered as well.

Haven't had time to visit HK yet. If I do I'll probably give their HQ a visit


If you do let us know please,
it would be nice to have another company making miners.
i'm good for spoons...
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October 04, 2017, 12:25:02 PM
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Nobody’s heard of them yet and they have yet to contribute anything to the mining community. Until they actually complete a miner and sell it, they’re just a vaporware miner manufacturer. Hopefully they dont massively underperform like Innosilicon on release, though.














 

 

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October 04, 2017, 12:46:21 PM
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If they are not vaporware then they should know the drill for introducing themselves:
Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something.
Solicit known reputable users here to to a review of it with the usual conditions: Send it to them gratis, they do a yay/nay/meh review of it then either return it or if they really like it - buy the one they were sent.

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October 04, 2017, 04:04:52 PM
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The miner looks like a photoshopped version of a cooler master micro itx case. Even the sticker on the fan looks identical.

I vote scam.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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October 04, 2017, 04:12:05 PM
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The miner looks like a photoshopped version of a cooler master micro itx case. Even the sticker on the fan looks identical.

I vote scam.

Now that you mention it, yes, it does look like the micro-itx. But lets give them the benefit of a doubt.

I have heard that they were on show in Dubai. Does anyone know whether thats true?
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October 04, 2017, 04:19:27 PM
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Also if the chip is 25% more efficient than the current best in class S9 you would think they would be plastering advertisements whereever they could. They could completely take over the bitcoin hardware game if these machiens were legit.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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October 04, 2017, 04:33:33 PM
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How likely that company with millions investment will use Google Translate to save few hundred bucks on website translation to Russian language?
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October 04, 2017, 05:41:53 PM
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Also if the chip is 25% more efficient than the current best in class S9 you would think they would be plastering advertisements whereever they could. They could completely take over the bitcoin hardware game if these machiens were legit.

well they would have a 25% edge only if the power was cheap  under 5 cents

and of course if it is cheap to build machine.

My guess is bitmain could send an s-9 shipped to me in NJ ,USA  for 600 usd and turn a profit. SMALL PROFIT but a profit.


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October 04, 2017, 06:01:39 PM
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How likely that company with millions investment will use Google Translate to save few hundred bucks on website translation to Russian language?
I mean Baikal also has horrible translations (well they used to) and they are chinese/russian. It is a little suspicious though, but what’s more suspicious is just the lack of information about anything on their site. I smell vaporware. Only specs and not much else.














 

 

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October 04, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
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My guess is bitmain could send an s-9 shipped to me in NJ ,USA  for 600 usd and turn a profit. SMALL PROFIT but a profit.

Maybe. Gotta remember it's got almost 200 16nm ASICs in there, and those aren't exactly cheap to make.

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October 05, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
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I've been emailing the customer support to ask about the next batch and the payment options. here is their response:

Thank you for writing.
PSU, board and chips all come with a 5 year warrenty for defects.
I can fully appreciate your concern. I have also been mining for a number of years and I'm fully aware that many companies have failed to deliver. It is always a concern with a new company.
Our preferred payment option is obviously BTC since we aim to support the network wherever we can. However, we also will be accepting fiat payments via our escrow provider.
If you have any doubts at all, you could always wait and place an order for batch 2.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Best regards,
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I've been emailing the customer support to ask about the next batch and the payment options. here is their response:

Thank you for writing.
PSU, board and chips all come with a 5 year warrenty for defects.
I can fully appreciate your concern. I have also been mining for a number of years and I'm fully aware that many companies have failed to deliver. It is always a concern with a new company.
Our preferred payment option is obviously BTC since we aim to support the network wherever we can. However, we also will be accepting fiat payments via our escrow provider.
If you have any doubts at all, you could always wait and place an order for batch 2.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Best regards,
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Only thing left to do.......visit their headquarters and see what the hell is going on
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October 05, 2017, 05:10:54 PM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
I've been emailing the customer support to ask about the next batch and the payment options. here is their response:

Thank you for writing.
PSU, board and chips all come with a 5 year warrenty for defects.
I can fully appreciate your concern. I have also been mining for a number of years and I'm fully aware that many companies have failed to deliver. It is always a concern with a new company.
Our preferred payment option is obviously BTC since we aim to support the network wherever we can. However, we also will be accepting fiat payments via our escrow provider.
If you have any doubts at all, you could always wait and place an order for batch 2.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Best regards,
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Only thing left to do.......visit their headquarters and see what the hell is going on
That ^^ and once again to repeat the 'How to prove they are a REAL miner maker' Mantra:
a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something.

b. Start an official Syan thread here for announcements and LEGIT press coverage links.

c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it with the usual conditions: Send it to them gratis, they do a yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures and screenshots. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it or if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent.

Until the above happens - they shall forever remain Vaporware and probable scam.

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October 05, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
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Don't even bother with this product- the photo they provide is a neat photoshop of a coolermaster mini-itx case and this texture for the front grill: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/82/87/f98287fbb86f9471007191c84cae8d1a.jpg


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Don't even bother with this product- the photo they provide is a neat photoshop of a coolermaster mini-itx case and this texture for the front grill: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/82/87/f98287fbb86f9471007191c84cae8d1a.jpg




Yea thats exactly what i found and posted about earlier in this thread.

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October 06, 2017, 07:34:14 PM
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Also if the chip is 25% more efficient than the current best in class S9 you would think they would be plastering advertisements whereever they could. They could completely take over the bitcoin hardware game if these machiens were legit.

 The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo - and there have been "upgrades" to both GF and TSMC processes since then that make the efficiency claims of the Syan unit reasonable.

 That doesn't mean they are NOT a scam - it just means that *IF* they are a scam, they're a well thought out scam.

 They're also not the first company to come "out of nowhere" with a new miner - a few of which have proven to be legit....

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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

What about durability? ever thought about that?
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October 07, 2017, 06:31:32 AM
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Keeping an eye on this. If they allow escrow, it means there is some credibility at least, though only first hand results will tell the story. I do appreciate the watercooling though I must say. For these prices, this can definitely bring home miners back into the game Smiley
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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

 Bitmain has NOT shown that level of efficiency, though they've shown somewhat CLOSE to it on the first few VERY UNRELIABLE batches of the S9 - and stopped trying on the later batches as the miners could NOT operate reliably when pushed that close to their bottom voltage spec for max efficiency.

 BitFury chips are used in the Hotmine X5/X6 line of miners, among others I don't remember offhand.

 BW doesn't SELL retail, you're arguing strawmen there - and we don't KNOW what the efficiency on their current miners ended up at, their CHIP level claims however did in fact beat Bitmain and were in Bitfury territory for their "3'd gen" 14/16nm chip design claims.

 Canaan beats Bitmain HANDS DOWN on reliability, at a cost in efficiency.

 I never mentioned EBang, YOU are the only one bringing them up.
 Another strawman argument since I never made ANY claim about them at all.


 It's nowhere near as cut and dried "Bitmain is the best" as you claim.

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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

 Bitmain has NOT shown that level of efficiency, though they've shown somewhat CLOSE to it on the first few VERY UNRELIABLE batches of the S9 - and stopped trying on the later batches as the miners could NOT operate reliably when pushed that close to their bottom voltage spec for max efficiency.

 BitFury chips are used in the Hotmine X5/X6 line of miners, among others I don't remember offhand.

 BW doesn't SELL retail, you're arguing strawmen there - and we don't KNOW what the efficiency on their current miners ended up at, their CHIP level claims however did in fact beat Bitmain and were in Bitfury territory for their "3'd gen" 14/16nm chip design claims.

 Canaan beats Bitmain HANDS DOWN on reliability, at a cost in efficiency.

 I never mentioned EBang, YOU are the only one bringing them up.
 Another strawman argument since I never made ANY claim about them at all.


 It's nowhere near as cut and dried "Bitmain is the best" as you claim.



I have a working s-9 from batch 1 or 2 down clocked  to 500 vs 600 as it has the old custom software.  and it does  .0985 watts  with a plat psu.

now if all my s-9s worked like this

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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

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October 08, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
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The miner case looks a lot like Cooler Master HAF series pc case http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/6000_6999/6000/6010/6018/1169075_ZB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg

And I wonder how they only have so little amount of pictures.
No interior pics, hash board pics.
I would be really careful with this, but can't say for sure if it is a scam.

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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner.
We expect to opening batch 1 for orders towards the end of this month or the start of November for shipping in January 2018. I have gone ahead and added you to the advanced notification list.
In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner.
We expect to opening batch 1 for orders towards the end of this month or the start of November for shipping in January 2018. I have gone ahead and added you to the advanced notification list.
In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.


I messaged them.  I will let you know if they reply.

I asked for a review unit at no cost up front.  I would review it and return it if I don't like it .  If I like it I would buy it at a fair price.

I told them I can provide reviews of other gear that was sent to  me. I told them I have help sales of companies after my reviews.

I don't send money to new companies  without at least one or two people that I  know that have received gear.

I simply say if they don't send one to me or some else well trusted here for reviews  that shows a lack of concern for miners.

So lets see if they send some gear to some of us.

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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

 Their site claims to be sold out - but that could be that they have it coded to say that when they have 0 inventory on hand.

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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

 Their site claims to be sold out - but that could be that they have it coded to say that when they have 0 inventory on hand.



I know ..


Right now I will check the emails to see if they bothered to reply.

Got a reply.


Hi Philip,

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner and for the links. I can see there is some sceptism there which is normal considering we have not shipped yet. Once batch 1 is shipped, it will be irrelevant.

Yes, we would be interested in you reviewing a unit. Please can you send links of your previous reviews?
Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon reciept of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.

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October 09, 2017, 07:44:58 PM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
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Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon receipt of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.
In my book, swing and a miss....
Yes any business CAN and SHOULD send out demo units to a handful of trusted reviewers in here and the few other reputable cryptocoin Forums with no up front cost... Philipma certainly qualifies as one.

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Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon receipt of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.
In my book, swing and a miss....
Yes any business CAN and SHOULD send out demo units to a handful of trusted reviewers in here and the few other reputable cryptocoin Forums with no up front cost... Philipma certainly qualifies as one.

I like to be transparent  so this is my reply to them


Dear Clive ,

 Thanks for a fast reply.  I will link some reviews to you this evening.

bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0

This was for the pandaminer  .  It ended up as a negative  as pandaminer.com altered product and gave terrible support.

but I tend to be as honest as i can my first thoughts were that is was a good product and that it good be useful for large farms.

the current thread for your product bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2233298.0


Please look closely here  it show sound proofing of the avalon 741  I really want to compare  your gear  to this setup  to show your gear is better.

bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2245487.0

If your gear is better  then the avalon for sound proofing it will sell like mad. Your gears price is okay.  It hash per watt is okay.

I like to promote good gear.
I can clearly show how quiet your gear is.

Please get back to me on this.

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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.


Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.


Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?
Can't hurt to try and see if they're legit. If they're new to the mining scene they might just be inexperienced with everything, but lower sound could still be a small plus, even if it's not a huge bump up in sales. I do find it a little strange they aren't willing to distribute any units for review, though. Even one Hotmine gave out a few units of their Bitfury miner for review, and we all know how elusive those things are.














 

 

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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.

Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?
Can't hurt to try and see if they're legit. If they're new to the mining scene they might just be inexperienced with everything, but lower sound could still be a small plus, even if it's not a huge bump up in sales. I do find it a little strange they aren't willing to distribute any units for review, though. Even one Hotmine gave out a few units of their Bitfury miner for review, and we all know how elusive those things are.
Exactly.
Once again to repeat the 'How to prove they are a REAL miner maker' Mantra:
a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage of one running to show the general public you at least built something and have a working design. There are BTC trade shows running several times a year all around the world. Once again, that is where Hotmine first showed their miner to the world and what led to Haggsfin bugging them to do a review. Worked very well for them Wink

b. Start an official Syan thread here for announcements and LEGIT press coverage links -- NOT Pay-for-Placement PR releases who's only verification is that the customer's check to their PR agency cleared the bank as payment for the 'news release' being distributed..

c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it with the usual conditions: Send it to them gratis, they do a yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures and screenshots. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it or if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent. Proven reviewers are NOT looking to 'get a free miner'. They are looking to prove a company actually can make a product that works. After ther review it WILL either be returned or then paid for. Providing demo units is a MARKETING EXPENSE and in no way a risk to the manufacturer.

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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.


Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?

while sound may be unimportant to large farms.  this company is specifically looking to bring mining back to miners in house.

https://syanmining.com/

but this came today

http://www.abnewswire.com/pressreleases/syan-technologies-vega-bitcoin-miner-opens-for-business_150148.html

OCTOBER 9, 2017 BY ADMIN
Syan Technologies’ Vega Bitcoin Miner Opens For Business
The Vega Home Bitcoin Miner from Syan Technologies went on pre-sale at 9AM on Monday 9th October, two weeks ahead of schedule. Customers can expect delivery of their new units in mid to late January, though Syan anticipates that many prospective buyers will be disappointed due to the unprecedented interest generated by the new machine.
“We have just under 1200 units available to the public in this batch, and are limiting customers to 5 machines per order to try to service as many individual customers as possible; but we’ve had so much interest already I fully expect batch 1 to be sold out within the week, possibly within a couple of days,” said Koji Tanaka, Syan Technologies’ project manager and spokesperson speaking from the group’s new Hong Kong facility. “We’ve also had many requests for larger numbers of machines for farm use, but have been unable to accept their orders. I’m currently trying to pull forward the production schedules for batch 2. Quite frankly we didn’t expect such overwhelming interest so soon. We’ve done very little marketing – our new machine speaks for itself I think. We’re hoping to get our hands on the first real production model within the next few weeks and already have a number of units lined up for demonstration and review purposes. We’re all working hard here to keep everything on track, and so far we’re succeeding.”

The Vega Home Bitcoin Miner is the first machine in the Vega series of currency miners, incorporating Syan’s new 14nm ASIC STA1220 chip and delivering 13.5TH/S and an efficiency ratio of 0.078 J/GHs, a good 20% better than its nearest competitor, the Bitmain Antminer S9. The retail price for the new machine is US$1,895.00 plus shipping. Syan also have a SCRYPT miner in the pipeline though no performance, release date or price details are available as yet.

Syan Technologies are a Hong Kong based designer and producer of digital currency mining machines and FinTech, currently focusing on the release of their Vega Home Currency Mining series. They comprise a dedicated and highly motivated team of designers, technicians and mathematicians of diverse backgrounds – from as far afield as California, London, Sweden, Russia and Vietnam – with just one thing in common; they aim to design and produce the most cost-efficient and durable ASIC mining machines in the world.

For further information please go to www.syanmining.com

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I wouldn't send my money to unknown miner company in the far west. someone need to test it first
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And this is most likely not a place for anyone to put money into.

If they are real you are not going to know it since they now want 2k up front for Jan 2018 delivery.

My thoughts are I don't need the gear.

I have s-9
I have Avalon 741
I have Avalon 721
I have gpus.
I have gear in the solar array.

I put in an order today they want 158 to ship and 1895. So 2053

To bad.  Wish them luck

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And unfortunately they, the WSJ, CNBC and several other legit news site also readily published the Bullsh** PR's for Foxminers and others scams. Seems they just publish what the PR agencies send them and never look into the companies.
Shitty writers gotta make money somehow. Most of the writers are terribly inexperienced with crypto in general and they don't see these miners the same way we do, unfortunately. I just hope people grow brains and actually research miners before purchase, which a lot of people don't do and fall for scams like the Foxminers and other vaporware.














 

 

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And unfortunately they, the WSJ, CNBC and several other legit news site also readily published the Bullsh** PR's for Foxminers and others scams. Seems they just publish what the PR agencies send them and never look into the companies.
Shitty writers gotta make money somehow. Most of the writers are terribly inexperienced with crypto in general and they don't see these miners the same way we do, unfortunately. I just hope people grow brains and actually research miners before purchase, which a lot of people don't do and fall for scams like the Foxminers and other vaporware.

I think they know exactly what they are doing.
It gives all crypto-coins a bad name  if they report a scam.


Sooo  fill in the dots.



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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.

Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?

For home-miners, noise is literally the most important aspect next to efficiency, especially to a company that specializes in serving home-miners, a market that is completely and utterly untapped into...

Having said that, just tried to order more than 5 miners (as they said the limit was in this dubios press coverage) and it was no problem. Of course, I didn't go through but it might be worthwhile to notice that it's 158$ for shipping no matter how many you order, kind of strange Smiley
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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.

Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?

For home-miners, noise is literally the most important aspect next to efficiency, especially to a company that specializes in serving home-miners, a market that is completely and utterly untapped into...

Having said that, just tried to order more than 5 miners (as they said the limit was in this dubios press coverage) and it was no problem. Of course, I didn't go through but it might be worthwhile to notice that it's 158$ for shipping no matter how many you order, kind of strange Smiley

They did not get back to me Once again  I stress :

 zero proof it exists
 2k out of pocket
 jan delivery

vs bitmain s-9

it exists
1.3k out of pocket
nov delivery

or avalon
800   well buy 2 so 1700 out of pocket
nov delivery.

While I am a gear junkie  and I have had so many different pieces of gear.
I won't risk 2k for this.

I am well established here  having escrowed more then 100,000 usd with zero issues
I have sold more then 50,000 usd in gear here either  gently used or new.
My trust is really good.
So I will not chase gear from new builders.

I always offer them to take a demo  model and run a long thread.
After 2-3 weeks use I return it or buy it.

Did this with pandaminer  and said I like it and purchased it.
Pandaminer did a lot of sales and then decided to become a really poor service company. Made a newer model that was not as good.
I then withdrew my recommendation. From them.

I ran a long thread on the spondoolies sp20

I ran a long thread on the avalon 4 ------- nice quiet miner.

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I always offer them to take a demo  model and run a long thread.
After 2-3 weeks use I return it or buy it.

I really wish they would send you one to test out. Did you already contact them and did they reply or just straight up ignore you?
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I always offer them to take a demo  model and run a long thread.
After 2-3 weeks use I return it or buy it.

I really wish they would send you one to test out. Did you already contact them and did they reply or just straight up ignore you?

The emails are above.

To repeat less then a day of email contact and they opened presales two weeks early.

Read those emails and draw your own conclusion as to why they opened preorders early.

Also draw your own conclusion as to why they told me pay for the demo up front.

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I always offer them to take a demo  model and run a long thread.
After 2-3 weeks use I return it or buy it.

I really wish they would send you one to test out. Did you already contact them and did they reply or just straight up ignore you?

They can't send Phil what they don't have.

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I always offer them to take a demo  model and run a long thread.
After 2-3 weeks use I return it or buy it.

I really wish they would send you one to test out. Did you already contact them and did they reply or just straight up ignore you?

The emails are above.

To repeat less then a day of email contact and they opened presales two weeks early.

Read those emails and draw your own conclusion as to why they opened preorders early.

Also draw your own conclusion as to why they told me pay for the demo up front.

That seems questionable at best.  They stand to make $10-100mm/year and can't sacrifice $500 (likely unit cost?) to etablish a reputation in the community?

I've been a fan of your reviews and purchased $10k worth of Avalon 741 (great units btw) based on your recommendation.  

Syan seems penny wise and pound foolish.
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As I see it, someone will take a chance and will order these, demo units or not.

If it is real, and performs close to what is advertised, they will sell as many as they can produce.

We do not know what the interest level is other than those who post here and are skeptical (count me among those). You may also count me among those that will kick myself for not taking a chance if it does in fact play out.

I will wait and see Smiley
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
I for one will NOT kick myself...
Anyone who went through the hardware-hell of 2013-14 and remember the likes of BFL, Bitmine.ch/AMT, Hashfast, and many other screwup/scam operations - some of whom btw actually did eventually produce some (crappy) hardware - are more than content to wait for proof of product. Only then will we part with our $$

I am sure there is great interest among those who think a pay-for-publication PR spiel in cryptocoin news or other site talks about a real product. The scammers COUNT on that.

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I do not disagree with you  Smiley
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A interview from Bitsonline.com

https://bitsonline.com/syan-technologies-koji-tanaka/

True R4 replacement if spec meet what they claim.
Watercooled and nicely designed.

I will gladly move from Bitmain if this come to market,
I can't unlock my Bitmain account ...
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I've been emailing the customer support to ask about the next batch and the payment options. here is their response:

Thank you for writing.
PSU, board and chips all come with a 5 year warrenty for defects.
I can fully appreciate your concern. I have also been mining for a number of years and I'm fully aware that many companies have failed to deliver. It is always a concern with a new company.
Our preferred payment option is obviously BTC since we aim to support the network wherever we can. However, we also will be accepting fiat payments via our escrow provider.
If you have any doubts at all, you could always wait and place an order for batch 2.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Best regards,
Clive.
 

5 years? Really?
Hmmm also, doesnt vega sound like AMD to u
Also if the chip is 25% more efficient than the current best in class S9 you would think they would be plastering advertisements whereever they could. They could completely take over the bitcoin hardware game if these machiens were legit.

 The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo - and there have been "upgrades" to both GF and TSMC processes since then that make the efficiency claims of the Syan unit reasonable.

 That doesn't mean they are NOT a scam - it just means that *IF* they are a scam, they're a well thought out scam.

 They're also not the first company to come "out of nowhere" with a new miner - a few of which have proven to be legit....



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last set of emails  are here.


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Support - Syan Technologies Ltd. (support@syanmining.com)
  Too bad  but if you can't do this I will not be doing a review.  You need to understand  your company is asking a lot from the mining company. Sending  2k usd to a company that has shown no proof of product. No Track record. In an industry where
non-existent companies have ripped off eager buyers time and time again. I was looking to promo your gear at no cost to you.
I am a proven entity that has done 100,000 to 200,000 in business across hundreds of buyers.  My ebay and paypal accounts are well established for more then a decade. Long before any crypto mining ever existed. This is my feedback on ebay

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBaylSAPl.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957

  I am looking to do a free promo for you.  I simply will not risk sending you BTC upfront.
I don't send btc to companies looking to break into the business. If you are not comfortable with  that  I can offer to send you  paypal for the 2k my paypal account is under philipma1957@live.com  send an invoice to me  and I would buy it with paypal since I would have protection under paypal.  You are the new kid on the  block not me.  To repeat I do not want a free piece of gear.  But I want it sent to me at no risk on my part. Since you are no more then a website with not a single photo of working gear.

Best regards Philip A.

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Hi Philip,

I noticed that you had added a unit to your cart.

As I said, it's impossible for us to ship you a unit free of charge. As I said in my last email, we will refund the full amount including shipping if you do not wish to keep the unit after you have finished your review.

Best regards,

Clive.
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For me it is simple enough> I have a 14 year eBay account with a long 10 year plus paypal account.
I offered to pay with paypal.  Which protects me.
I linked my eBay account with  1600 plus feedbacks all positive.

So they would be at zero risk and be paid upfront.
I would get paypal protection if they have issues.
I would give them a long review with a direct comparison to the s-9 and the avalon 741.  At no cost to them.

Maybe they get back to me.  Maybe not.

But just remember as soon as this thread got going with a few of us emailing them.  They opened pre-sales at 2k a pop  a full 2 weeks early.

they refuse to give a demo at no cost to them.
 they provide no demo or film of a working model.
they are pretty much a phantom for working gear yet they are willing to take your money.

I have the ability to buy gpus and mine off coins making a profit.
I can also buy avalon 741's  from a seller that delivers.
I can also buy antminer s-9's from bitmain direct.
 I have 3 paid orders as I type of s-9's due in Nov and Dec
I just got 3 avalon 741's shipped to me.
I have a solar array deal.

 I do not need to buy gear at risk.
buying gear at risk is the worst idea I can do.

It would be the most likely way for me to lose money .

If they offer to sell one for the review and allow paypal payment I will do that.
Which is what I can offer.
I have offered to do this for panda miner
for li's dragon miner's
and a few other items.

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October 11, 2017, 04:05:36 AM
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Hey remember that time when I made my first miner? Hardware dev completely out of pocket, posted actual pictures of the things, and then shipped out 8 test units to different people completely free of charge and waited for them to post reviews and opinions before taking in a dime on sales? If one guy on a shoestring budget can do it, a company with enough R&D backing to get a 14/16nm chip to market can do it.

Even if the thing's real, that unwillingness to bend just a little bit in a way that would help themselves (by helping potential customers) drastically is pretty unacceptable. What other "standard policies" are they gonna hide behind when someone comes asking for some help?

Honestly, even without sending out test units, their scam would be greatly improved if they even tried to manufacture and photograph a single machine. It's really a good thing most scams are done by people who are okay at setting up a website but lack the skills to build anything in the real world.

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I have sent them a message to request a visit to their showroom, lets see if they reply
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October 11, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
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I really hoped they would have taken Phil's help on this.

For now this is a scam suspect in my records.

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Support - Syan Technologies Ltd. <support@syanmining.com>

Today, 10:37 AM
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Hi Philip,

I noticed that you had added a unit to your cart.

As I said, it's impossible for us to ship you a unit free of charge. As I said in my last email, we will refund the full amount including shipping if you do not wish to keep the unit after you have finished your review. Blah blah blah..


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It's impossible for us to ship you something that doesn't and will never exist.

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I have sent them a message to request a visit to their showroom, lets see if they reply

Looks like their "showroom" is in a virtual office, I doubt that will work.

Come on guys, even people who should know better are giving this more credence than it deserves, you are all so desperate for an alternative to the current suppliers.

This is a SCAM, if it wasn't a SCAM then they would have pictures of working miners, come on, they have three months till launch, you think they wouldn't have working hardware or even pics of chips and boards and prototype miners by now? Sidehack called it.

This is 100% scam of the worst type. And I feel 100% justified in saying it because if I am wrong then nothing there is no downside for anyone. But if I am right the fallout is catastrophic for anyone who gets suckered into it, and there are a lot of people who are going to get suckered into this, and every person who sends them money and gets suckered is going to be subsidising the continuance of the scam for months and months and years to come.

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As someone who lost over a hundred bitcoins with Hashfash by falling prey to the preorder game - I strongly advise nobody fall for this potential.

Hashfast had a visible office and much more communicative team and still ended up being a major dissapointment and loss.  Syan seems even worse.
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As someone who lost over a hundred bitcoins with Hashfash by falling prey to the preorder game - I strongly advise nobody fall for this potential.

Hashfast had a visible office and much more communicative team and still ended up being a major dissapointment and loss.  Syan seems even worse.

I have no plan to pre-order, I just wait and see.
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Well, likely scam. Anyone email them to at least make a simple youtube video of the machine working? That takes a couple of minutes or so only. Hmmm also 6200 rpm fan should be pretty noisy for home i think.
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U managed to buy any of that bitfury?

 Personally, no - but Sidehack has mentioned having some chips, Hotmine has been selling Bitfury miners for a while, just for 2 rather well known examples.

 Raw chips would do "me" no good, I'm not a board designer or coder.

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they are still not sold out so i vote scam.
if they had 1700 machines they would be sold out by now because there is lot more idiots willing to waste money on bogus machine.
they just trying to 'sell' until someone confirm its a scam
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I got more info  that does not help their case.
this is from a member here and an email reply to him or her:

   Hi [name redacted],

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner.

The units use our own proprietry 14nm STA1220 chips of which there are 190 in each unit. The unit consumes 1050w power from the wall and is 80 plus rated gold which gives it 87% efficiency.

Unfortunately, we are unable to honour large orders for batch 1 since we have already taken a large corporate order and we wish for the remaining units to reach as many different individuals as possible. As a result, management have imposed a restriction on the number of units available per person. This limit is set to 5. I'm sure in future batches, we would be able to talk about a larger order.

  Our only working unit is in the lab and unavailable for inspection since they are using it. We will have units for inspection as soon as batch 1 is delivered to us for quality control and distribution.

The power lead is a USA to 3-pin to moulded IEC C13, 1 meter in length.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,

Clive.



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October 17, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
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that does not sound promising

DAMN I was interested too
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It is kinda ridiculous that they only have that 1 working miner in a lab......
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It is kinda ridiculous that they only have that 1 working miner in a lab......

1 working unit that can't be inspected, or can't have a video taken of it running, or any other way to verify it does what it says, or that it even exists, all based on a supposed new chip which has no information on.

There's so many red flags - they could even just say what foundry they're making the chips on, show blanked out documents of the order, pictures of the chip even - nope.
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It is kinda ridiculous that they only have that 1 working miner in a lab......


Pretty sure they have 0 working miners, nor do they even have a 'lab' for testing. I pointed out it was a scam weeks ago.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Do not preorder until they prove they have gear.

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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Hell, even AMT did a better job of of showing 'progress' in having a viable miner.... As in pics of chips, various iterations of the hash boards, etc... Of course their whole scheme fell apart when it was obvious AMT's parent Bitmine.ch totally blew the design of their A1-based miner but at least they tried and showed something to the world (as did BFL and few other companies in 2013-2014).

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Probably 99.99% a scam at this point. Their supposed "HQ" in HK doesn't exist.
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Probably 99.99% a scam at this point. Their supposed "HQ" in HK doesn't exist.

So I take it your visit to the showroom has been modestly entertaining in that regard at least? Cheesy
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It is kinda ridiculous that they only have that 1 working miner in a lab......

1 working unit that can't be inspected, or can't have a video taken of it running, or any other way to verify it does what it says, or that it even exists, all based on a supposed new chip which has no information on.

There's so many red flags - they could even just say what foundry they're making the chips on, show blanked out documents of the order, pictures of the chip even - nope.

Maybe they cant show documents but pretty much all phones have good video function these days...

It is kinda ridiculous that they only have that 1 working miner in a lab......


Pretty sure they have 0 working miners, nor do they even have a 'lab' for testing. I pointed out it was a scam weeks ago.

Seems so. I wonder if anyone actually paid for these...
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Website was created in July of 2017, so a very new company. I would probably wait to see for a long while. They don't mention their hashrate or anything, be cautious when you spend any money on here.

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Probably 99.99% a scam at this point. Their supposed "HQ" in HK doesn't exist.

So I take it your visit to the showroom has been modestly entertaining in that regard at least? Cheesy

Mongkok Dimsum is still very good Smiley
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From a businessman's perspective.  If they spent all this time and effort on research, sourcing chips, creating a new product that mines more efficiently.  Why would they then turn around and resell this to the public?  Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

When Bitmain creates a miner they dont put out press releases and tell the public about it.   They secretly mine with it for some time, and then you get a press release saying, XX miner is available for preorder, its new and here you go.  They can prove they have beta tested it and used it for some time(while making a lot of that coin). 

So by someone saying they are making a new product which will just immediately be released to the public, makes absolutely no sense.

So fundamentally, this has scam written all over it.
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Actually, if you're just starting out and looking to recover your investment quickly you do want to sell to the public. Mining takes months to break even, plus the operating cost of power and maintenance. If you can convince someone to pay you a lump sum for the machine, you get paid right now and someone else foots the risk of trying to pay the gear off over the next year.

Also some people don't want to compete with their own customers, they'd rather just get quality gear to people that want it.

Not saying anything about Syan, just that there are different philosophies on how to run a business and not everything that doesn't immediately make sense against your philosophy is automatically evil.

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I think in general the companies who succeeded in selling the mining hardware started out mining themselves before selling.  You create a product which can influence the market, and you can mine very quickly for the ROI.

I think you would have a hard time convincing investors to invest in creating a differentiator that you would just go and resell to the public.  Look at bitfury for example.
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One of the reasons I don't have investors or shareholders and never will - nobody to convince about much of anything.

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LOL @ 5 year warranty....   New company?   RIIIIGHT....
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Website was created in July of 2017, so a very new company. I would probably wait to see for a long while. They don't mention their hashrate or anything, be cautious when you spend any money on here.

 Actually they do...

Hashing power: 13.5 TH/s
Power consumption: 1050w
J/GHs:   0.078
Cooling: Liquid cooling with 1x Rear fan @6200rpm
Chips: 190 x STA1220
Dimensions: 300mm(L) x 175mm(W) x 135mm(H)

 I am by no means defending them as I hae been burned about as hard as anyone. (60k usd to blackarrow/technobit, 40k USD to litecoingear)

 I truly hope they are for real because as it stands, they are the bitmain killer. Sadly, it is not looking that way. Sad

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Website was created in July of 2017, so a very new company. I would probably wait to see for a long while. They don't mention their hashrate or anything, be cautious when you spend any money on here.

 Actually they do...

Hashing power: 13.5 TH/s
Power consumption: 1050w
J/GHs:   0.078
Cooling: Liquid cooling with 1x Rear fan @6200rpm
Chips: 190 x STA1220
Dimensions: 300mm(L) x 175mm(W) x 135mm(H)

 I am by no means defending them as I hae been burned about as hard as anyone. (60k usd to blackarrow/technobit, 40k USD to litecoingear)

 I truly hope they are for real because as it stands, they are the bitmain killer. Sadly, it is not looking that way. Sad

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LOL @ 5 year warranty....   New company?   RIIIIGHT....

Yep, thats the biggest red flag for me too lol.
These scams nt gonna stop unless they start getting prosecuted imo.

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I see. Noted, will do
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Seems like the community's matured now and they're likely not getting hoards of miner victims.
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Its because many of us got scammed enough to actually put aside our rivalry as miners (news flash, we're all in this boat together) and actually try and prevent shit like this from happening in the future.
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This rear side image https://asset.conrad.com/media10/isa/160267/c1/-/de/1169075_ZB_00_FB/cooler-master-haf-stacker-915f-pc-gehaeuse.jpg?x=520&y=520 is almost identical to the vega miner mockup
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So,

this company is using a PC casing, place the PSU and hashboard inside. Pretty neat design.
but surely not a Bitmain killer.
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So,

this company is using a PC casing, place the PSU and hashboard inside. Pretty neat design.
but surely not a Bitmain killer.

it does not exist.  by their own emails  they have one in a lab.  they refuse to photo it  or  show a hashing page for it.

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Could 190 chips+ liquid cooling+ powersuply even fit into the miner's 300mm(L) x 175mm(W) x 135mm(H) dimension?
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So,

this company is using a PC casing, place the PSU and hashboard inside. Pretty neat design.
but surely not a Bitmain killer.
Better than what Bitmain's using for sure though. If they get the airflow good and they actually deliver on hashing performance the miner'll actually be pretty decent. Nice to have standard form miners back with regular cases. You could actually reasonably reuse the case if it's legit.

exactly.
The case is good. Perhaps I will get my team to start modifying one.
Easy to do staking on rack. No more "ugly" view of cables everywhere.
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Whole lot of "if" in there though. A company that claims to be a couple years old with a brand-new website, and asking for several metric buttloads of preorder money to build a machine they so far have exactly one of - in a black-box room somewhere it can't be photographed - with their first chip being better than what guys who've been doing it for five years have been able to generate - and everything stuffed into a nice easily-photoshoppable case of illogical form-factor and using plenty of attractive buzzwords in the description. Just saying, there's a lot of "if". Way more "if" than really merits the attention these guys are getting.

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Exactly, I can understand newbie spam accounts filling the thread up with bullshit speculation, but I can't understand someone like leo doing it.

Really all posts should be based from an EXTREME negative perspective on this scam, there is no wriggle room or perhaps or maybe, its just a bullshit scam and should be approached from that angle.

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Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

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Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

...Removed bullshit specs...


Did you even bother reading the thread?

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Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

...Removed bullshit specs...


Did you even bother reading the thread?

they are pumping it

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Exactly, I can understand newbie spam accounts filling the thread up with bullshit speculation, but I can't understand someone like leo doing it.

Really all posts should be based from an EXTREME negative perspective on this scam, there is no wriggle room or perhaps or maybe, its just a bullshit scam and should be approached from that angle.
I like to be somewhat optimistic about things, guess I also fell for the newbie fake posting this time. I’ll go and delete that post. We really should get this thread locked if possible though. I don’t know what got into me with this thread.














 

 

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Whole lot of "if" in there though. A company that claims to be a couple years old with a brand-new website, and asking for several metric buttloads of preorder money to build a machine they so far have exactly one of - in a black-box room somewhere it can't be photographed - with their first chip being better than what guys who've been doing it for five years have been able to generate - and everything stuffed into a nice easily-photoshoppable case of illogical form-factor and using plenty of attractive buzzwords in the description. Just saying, there's a lot of "if". Way more "if" than really merits the attention these guys are getting.

IF hahahahaa
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Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

...Removed bullshit specs...

Did you even bother reading the thread?
Of course they didn't. That would take actual effort on their part and makes their brain hurt....

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October 30, 2017, 06:18:39 PM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

...Removed bullshit specs...

Did you even bother reading the thread?
Of course they didn't. That would take actual effort on their part and makes their brain hurt....

Und as you may have noticed - now adding SCAM warning header to all my posts about this. A little SEO can go a long way Wink
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October 31, 2017, 11:34:04 AM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
Heard it for first time.but Spec is good...

...Removed bullshit specs...

Did you even bother reading the thread?
Of course they didn't. That would take actual effort on their part and makes their brain hurt....

Und as you may have noticed - now adding SCAM warning header to all my posts about this. A little SEO can go a long way Wink

watch out man, this makes you prime target for troll army
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October 31, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
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The miner looks way too small to house a 1000 watt PSU and a waterblock for 190 asic chips , just doesn't look feasible, they haven't even mentioned how much it weighs. Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think anyone's manufactured a Waterblock good enough to cool 190 chips , should be an engineering breakthrough if they've figured that out.
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November 06, 2017, 12:03:39 PM
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Syanmining.com
They big scam
Fake webpage
Fake address in Hong Kong
Before I'm contact with them, they reply to me
And I'm visiting Hong Kong 2 days ago
They looking 2 different address in Hong Kong and phone number ( fax number)
I'm check 2 address, there is no such company
I'm check and when I will be in building, there help me information person, we check together
And results
Syanmining.com
Shopbitmain.co
Minersnow.com
Vulcanominer.com
Scam scam scam scam
Please be careful..
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November 07, 2017, 08:35:44 AM
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Syanmining.com
They big scam
Fake webpage
Fake address in Hong Kong
Before I'm contact with them, they reply to me
And I'm visiting Hong Kong 2 days ago
They looking 2 different address in Hong Kong and phone number ( fax number)
I'm check 2 address, there is no such company
I'm check and when I will be in building, there help me information person, we check together
And results
Syanmining.com
Shopbitmain.co
Minersnow.com
Vulcanominer.com
Scam scam scam scam
Please be careful..

Finally that got sorted, now onwards to finding a real competitor to Bitmain for the home mining market, the entire market is up for grabs, let's see if there are any takers in 2018 Smiley
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November 10, 2017, 04:57:55 PM
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I too like to take a positive approach. I know a lot of folks have been burned in the past but you have to put some trust some place.

I have to say, I'm a fan of Syan so far. I have one of each of their SHA & Scrypt units on the way. Their team is much more responsive than Bitmain has ever been. To their credit when they dropped the prices on their units they even offered to send me money back.  If they are a scam with the objective of making as much money as possible, whay would they, on their own volition, offer to send my money back? Ordering was super easy too, since they have done only word of mouth promo their site lets you order your unit whenever. No dealing with site crashes on product release days like you have to deal with on Bitmains site.

And hey at the end of the day the units are still profitable in my neck of the woods. The wild card will be the coin switching factor. If you watch the coinwarz charts there are some days when you can really capitalize on difficulty drops and market shifts.
I can tell you form direct contact with the company that they are planning to do a round of product reviews for both units to get some press out there. I plan to do a video review of each unit the day I get them. Stay tuned.
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November 10, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
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Okay that's great, but what proof have they given to anyone anyone actually trusts to not be a shill?

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November 10, 2017, 05:17:49 PM
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Come back here IF you ever get this Unicorn and can provide proof of its existence.

Until then, you DO realize that a brand-new user with ZERO previous posts stating support of something like this 99.999% of the time = them being either a paid shill, a troll, or just a random idiot right?

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November 10, 2017, 05:24:57 PM
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The smell of bullshit is strong on that single post account. I hope nobody is dumb enough to fall for this.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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November 10, 2017, 05:28:50 PM
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I can appreciate the skepticism. Trust does have to be earned. All I can really say on their behalf is that the info they have been providing and level of communication is better than that of other "established" mining companies I have purchased from. For example, I inquire about the ship dates and AMP draw from the miners so I could make sure the breaker I wanted to put them on would handle it. Here is what I got back:

"You will expect to get your VEGA in the 2nd week of January, while the VEGA 2S will be between the 2nd and 3rd week of February.

As for your amp question:

Vega is running at 4.8A at 220 volts.
Vega 2S is running at 4.0A at 220 volts.

Machines are intended to be used in domestic 220/240v wall sockets and are fused at 13A. If multiple machines are being used on the same mains circuit it is advised to get an electrician to check the fuse ratings on the power inlet board and make sure the supply can cope. Also, if the machine is to be used at 110v a transformer will be needed to be used inline with the unit(s). Alternatively, another approach (and more efficient) would be to have an electrician run a 220 line to power your miners.

If you have any doubts, its best to seek advice from an electrician. If you have any other questions, please let me know."

It's details like that that build trust for me. In response to this I asked them for some "real life" photos of units, so if I get any I'll post em.

But for now, reserve your trust.
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November 10, 2017, 07:18:18 PM
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Only total noobs, or paid shills, would keep arguing this is real with still no hard evidence to the contrary.  More idiot accounts for the ignore button.

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November 11, 2017, 10:46:38 AM
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Why is this still a thing? its fake guys, and the troll that keeps saying its real is just a troll. But heh! you can always gamble your money away on scams! I heard its super fun (let us know how it goes lol)
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November 11, 2017, 01:21:48 PM
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I can appreciate the skepticism. Trust does have to be earned. All I can really say on their behalf is that the info they have been providing and level of communication is better than that of other "established" mining companies I have purchased from. For example, I inquire about the ship dates and AMP draw from the miners so I could make sure the breaker I wanted to put them on would handle it. Here is what I got back:

"You will expect to get your VEGA in the 2nd week of January, while the VEGA 2S will be between the 2nd and 3rd week of February.

As for your amp question:

Vega is running at 4.8A at 220 volts.
Vega 2S is running at 4.0A at 220 volts.

Machines are intended to be used in domestic 220/240v wall sockets and are fused at 13A. If multiple machines are being used on the same mains circuit it is advised to get an electrician to check the fuse ratings on the power inlet board and make sure the supply can cope. Also, if the machine is to be used at 110v a transformer will be needed to be used inline with the unit(s). Alternatively, another approach (and more efficient) would be to have an electrician run a 220 line to power your miners.

If you have any doubts, its best to seek advice from an electrician. If you have any other questions, please let me know."

It's details like that that build trust for me. In response to this I asked them for some "real life" photos of units, so if I get any I'll post em.

But for now, reserve your trust.


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November 12, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
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Why is this still a thing? its fake guys, and the troll that keeps saying its real is just a troll. But heh! you can always gamble your money away on scams! I heard its super fun (let us know how it goes lol)
Because the mods really don't really lock or move threads anymore for things like this even though we have solid evidence that the only people supporting these are troll accounts. I reported this so hopefully it'll be moved.














 

 

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November 13, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
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Avoid this scam.
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