Lytse
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June 26, 2013, 04:09:01 PM |
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Yes that is a fixed dividend PER SHARE, so if you buy n shares,the dividend will be ((div per share) x n). Note that as the difficulty rises, the dividend per share will lower
(not fixed)
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Kuroth
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June 26, 2013, 09:49:15 PM |
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I am still trying to figure out why this is bad or good.. I mean I could buy like 900 shares today and earn $2 per day for the dividend...
Is the real risk that the price per share is too high??? (they are low now compared to what they IPO'ed for???
Will the Dividend go down or will more supporting shares be purchased to keep the Div up as Diff increases??
To me the Div payout seems really good compared to most other stocks I have been researching on bitfunder???
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elefter
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June 26, 2013, 10:32:21 PM |
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I am still trying to figure out why this is bad or good.. I mean I could buy like 900 shares today and earn $2 per day for the dividend...
Is the real risk that the price per share is too high??? (they are low now compared to what they IPO'ed for???
Will the Dividend go down or will more supporting shares be purchased to keep the Div up as Diff increases??
To me the Div payout seems really good compared to most other stocks I have been researching on bitfunder???
Yes they are quite lower to the IPO now the Dividend will go down and probably a lot! as the difficulty increases you have to make a guess basically how much the difficulty will increase and see at what price it will be profitable to buy... do you Math! True for any PMB out there, and decide... On another note... it would be a good thing for PMBs in general if the issuer put a minimum duration in the contracts, as it stands there is a risk for the issuer to just pack up and leave one day.... I don't believe that's TAT's intention at all but it would be a nice insurance for the buyer...
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mandroid
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June 26, 2013, 11:57:49 PM |
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I am still trying to figure out why this is bad or good.. I mean I could buy like 900 shares today and earn $2 per day for the dividend...
Is the real risk that the price per share is too high??? (they are low now compared to what they IPO'ed for???
Will the Dividend go down or will more supporting shares be purchased to keep the Div up as Diff increases??
To me the Div payout seems really good compared to most other stocks I have been researching on bitfunder???
Currently a BTC-for-BTC investment in this stock pays more dividend than AM shares. As mentioned previously in this thread, however, the dividend for this share is inversely proportional to current difficulty as the share represents a constant hashing rate. If you do the figures, the current share price of ~0.004 will be paid for with dividends in less than a year (do the maths yourself, as every investor should! an excel spread sheet will suffice) if you assume a fortnightly difficulty increase of no more than 10%. Recent times have seen difficulty jumps of much more than this, say 20%, and people have become scared that this will continue - hence all the furor in this forums about mining bonds being "scams". Simply put - at the IPO price of 0.007 these shares are almost certain to never pay the investor back. At the current prices, and assuming difficulty stops jumping by 20% every two weeks, the dividends of these shares are quite nice. Buying all shares is a gamble, the gamble you're making for VIRTUALMINE is that the difficulty CANNOT sustain 20% increases.
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June 27, 2013, 10:21:32 PM |
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ThickAsThieves 1: -0 / +17(17) 2013-06-22 0.00000000 Reference Possible sock puppet for BitcoinPlay (see reference link). False scammer accusations. WTF is that?
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ThickAsThieves (OP)
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June 27, 2013, 10:38:05 PM |
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ThickAsThieves 1: -0 / +17(17) 2013-06-22 0.00000000 Reference Possible sock puppet for BitcoinPlay (see reference link). False scammer accusations. WTF is that? Sounds like you got hacked. Make a new account, run your antivirus, use better passwords, change any accounts you have elsewhere that used the same info.
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Kuroth
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June 28, 2013, 01:38:44 AM |
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Where is the 6/27 Div?
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ThickAsThieves (OP)
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June 28, 2013, 01:53:37 AM |
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Where is the 6/27 Div?
All set, sorry for the delay. Crazy day!
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TECHICENINE
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June 28, 2013, 02:15:40 AM |
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ThickAsThieves 1: -0 / +17(17) 2013-06-22 0.00000000 Reference Possible sock puppet for BitcoinPlay (see reference link). False scammer accusations. WTF is that? Sounds like you got hacked. Make a new account, run your antivirus, use better passwords, change any accounts you have elsewhere that used the same info. ====> http://www.deepfriedcat.com/re : hashrates? *this site is the best please explain why he groups Bitminter>Ozcoin>BTCGuild=to equal-ASICMINER..thanks * * *
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daCoops
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July 06, 2013, 06:48:08 PM |
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Hi TAT - any news on the 6th July Div?
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ThickAsThieves (OP)
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July 06, 2013, 11:01:34 PM |
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Hi TAT - any news on the 6th July Div?
Should be all set now, thanks!
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SOSLOVE868
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July 14, 2013, 03:20:50 AM |
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The price differences of TATVM between BTCT and BITFUNDER is large...
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Bonam
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July 19, 2013, 10:23:11 PM |
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The price differences of TATVM between BTCT and BITFUNDER is large...
I just picked some up on Bitfunder for 0.0024 while it's been staying at 0.0038-0.0039 on BTCT. Oh if only shares could be quickly transferred between the exchanges!
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SOSLOVE868
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July 19, 2013, 11:17:52 PM |
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The price differences of TATVM between BTCT and BITFUNDER is large...
I just picked some up on Bitfunder for 0.0024 while it's been staying at 0.0038-0.0039 on BTCT. Oh if only shares could be quickly transferred between the exchanges! I don't think so , for that price 0.0024 is really great return ,even for 0.003 you still look 230 days to recovery your initial investment if we used 10% increase each time. It is more efficient than buying USB miners..I can't understand why people are dumping it like this, however, it also gives me a good opportunity to get contracts in cheap price.
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daCoops
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July 22, 2013, 02:10:57 PM |
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Over the last few days I've noticed that traders have been doing just this - Price on BitFunder is now wavering around 0.0031 with the offloading from BTCT taking it down to around 0.0034. i.e. gaps pretty much closed. Today there was a large offload at around 13:37 for around 2000 shares...
VirtualMine still seems to be one of the better stocks/fund/bonds for returns on dividends. Beaten marginally by DMS.Mining.
What's more interesting at the moment is the fixed corridor of £55 - £65 that Bitcoins are constantly trading at.. No major movements for quite a while.
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Rannasha
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July 22, 2013, 02:46:58 PM |
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The price differences of TATVM between BTCT and BITFUNDER is large...
I just picked some up on Bitfunder for 0.0024 while it's been staying at 0.0038-0.0039 on BTCT. Oh if only shares could be quickly transferred between the exchanges! The large gap in prices is caused by the fact that share transfer is difficult. If it were easy, people doing arbitrage would keep prices close together. Now you have 2 separate groups of investors each with its own herd-behavior driving prices semi-independently.
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CMMPro
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July 22, 2013, 10:17:39 PM |
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I don't understand why more people aren't interested in this with a 200% annual return so far....talk me into/out of buying this!
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twentyseventy
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July 23, 2013, 03:52:59 AM |
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Mining difficulty keeps going up at ~35-40% per month, so the value of this security and it's dividends should decrease proportionally.
Markets are irrational, which is why this fund and other PMBs are still very overvalued, in my opinion.
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eltopo
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July 23, 2013, 07:22:09 AM |
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I don't understand why more people aren't interested in this with a 200% annual return so far....talk me into/out of buying this!
There never was and never will be a 200% annual return... look at the prices e.g. 30 days ago, and compare it to the prices today and the dividends you received meanwhile if you would have bought it 30 days ago. What is your return?
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odolvlobo
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July 23, 2013, 07:33:11 AM |
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I don't understand why more people aren't interested in this with a 200% annual return so far....talk me into/out of buying this!
When you wrote this post, TAT.VIRTUALMINE was paying 19.22 μBTC per day. Now, it is paying only 16.09 μBTC per day. In less than two weeks, it is likely to drop to around 13 μBTC per day. If it continues dropping at this rate (20% every two weeks), the return will be a lot less than 200%.
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