Best way to sell/buy bitcoins without fees?

[jors]

I am new on the BTC world and only know about websites (MtGox, Tradehill...) that offer trading by paying some (small? really dunno) fees. The question would be: Is there any other good (secure, reliable) way to trade online WITHOUT FEES? If that had been asked before and the answer is already on the forums, I would be gratefull if someone points me to it.

Thanks & cheers!

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[FreeMoney]

I am new on the BTC world and only know about websites (MtGox, Tradehill...) that offer trading by paying some (small? really dunno) fees. The question would be: Is there any other good (secure, reliable) way to trade online? If that had been asked before and the answer is already on the forums, I would be gratefull if someone points me to it.

Thanks & cheers!

You generally get the best price on the most active trading sites, the fees are negligible. With MtGox via Dwolla you are looking at 25 cents and 0.3% right now.

[jors]

You generally get the best price on the most active trading sites, the fees are negligible. With MtGox via Dwolla you are looking at 25 cents and 0.3% right now.

Thanks Freemoney. I guess there are other ways of trading without fees but less reliable (in instance, trading with individuals via other ways such as paypal, etc).

[zaphod]

Everyone says be super careful with paypal...

[ploum]

You can have fee free exchange on http://bitmarket.eu

[jors]

You can have fee free exchange on http://bitmarket.eu

Thanks ploum, seems a good site to operate with.

[Frank White]

PM me I have access to large amt of coins at all times and deal in predominatly large volume trades, but i can accomodate others on occasion

Im rated on the irc and have people to vouch for me, so no issues there.. As always deal with me if you feel comfortable only.


Accept most payment options also, let me know!

Thanks

[jors]

Hi there Frank, I appreciate it but I rather using some exchange platform for the benefit of all.

[smoothie]

0.3% yes on mt. gox for the next two weeks once they open trading. I'm just glad I got my $ and BTC back in my possession.

At this rate of difficulty changes the price of bitcoins has to go up. There my be a dip to maybe $10 or $12 but it will rebound strongly soaring past $32.
 

[jors]

Haven't requested prizes or forecasts, so please, stick to the subject when answering. Thanks.

[Maged]

One of the best ways is likely by using #bitcoin-otc over on Freenode, assuming you have the patience to get a good reputation.

[Naven]

If u got polish bank account go to http://bitomat.pl

[Tronlet]

Everyone says be super careful with paypal...

That's because you shouldn't use it. Paypal doesn't like Bitcoin much and will freeze any accounts that it discovers were used to trade Bitcoin.

Note: Bitcoin users don't have their Paypals frozen, you have to actually bring Paypal into it and use it for buying or selling bitcoins to have your account frozen.

Edit: Oh, and of course there's the fact that they can just dispute the payment and steal your money back with you having no way of getting your bitcoin back.

[KeyserSoze]

I've read some folks have had PayPal accounts frozen. However I also see many bitcoins available on Ebay. Many people use PayPal to pay on Ebay, in fact many of the bitcoin auctions only accept PayPal-based payments. I haven't been involved in any bitcoin transactions on PayPal but it appears there's only an issue if you sell, someone buys and then disputes, which gets PayPal actually involved in the process as more than just a payment gateway.

[jors]

One of the best ways is likely by using #bitcoin-otc over on Freenode, assuming you have the patience to get a good reputation.

Thanks Maged, I am not sure if I'll be patient enough, but at least I'll have a look at the channel.

Twhat's because you shouldn't use it. Paypal doesn't like Bitcoin much and will freeze any accounts that it discovers were used to trade Bitcoin.

Note: Bitcoin users don't have their Paypals frozen, you have to actually bring Paypal into it and use it for buying or selling bitcoins to have your account frozen.

Edit: Oh, and of course there's the fact that they can just dispute the payment and steal your money back with you having no way of getting your bitcoin back.

Wow, didn't know Paypal was that evil with bitcoin. Won't use it as a payment method, so I will have to strictly use bank transfer or credit card. Thanks Tronlet.

[hobogo]

Register to Mt.gox,
wait for a crash and then buy some btcs.
If you are lucky the crash was doe to hack
and if your trade were effectively canceled during the the sell-off,
Mt.gox will show as a token gratitude for your extreme patience
and you will be able to trade for free for   1 month  

leaving out the cynicism, I really think that after that incident they will be the most secure and reliable in that market

[jors]

I've read some folks have had PayPal accounts frozen. However I also see many bitcoins available on Ebay. Many people use PayPal to pay on Ebay, in fact many of the bitcoin auctions only accept PayPal-based payments. I haven't been involved in any bitcoin transactions on PayPal but it appears there's only an issue if you sell, someone buys and then disputes, which gets PayPal actually involved in the process as more than just a payment gateway.

Oh, then maybe there are only problems on dispute, but it's still risky business, so I try to avoid Paypal as payment method

[jors]

Register to Mt.gox,
wait for a crash and then buy some btcs.
If you are lucky the crash was doe to hack
and if your trade were effectively canceled during the the sell-off,
Mt.gox will show as a token gratitude for your extreme patience
and you will be able to trade for free for    1 month  

leaving out the cynicism, I really think that after that incident they will be the most secure and reliable in that market.

As I said, I'm not planning to pay any fees and I don't want a site that requests funds to operate with (like MtGox or Tradehill). Bitmarket.eu doesn't need such requirements and that's how I like it to be.

[Harwinder]

Stick with the ones with fees, its like paying for protection.  it wont make much of a difference but in the end it will be worth it

[deplicator]

I've sold on Bitcoin7, TradeHill, and MtGox (before they had problems), and I can honestly say I liked Bitcoin7 the best. I like the ticker right on the front page that shows what offers are being made. I like the fact I can see that without having to log in. Orange makes me feel comfortable too.