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Author Topic: [ANN] Infinitecoin - IFC | V1.8 Released! *Mandatory Upgrade, upgrade ASAP*  (Read 199592 times)
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September 25, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
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So what happens to all the coins that were traded on Cryptsy if the fork?

There were 10's of millions traded on that cliff. They won't roll those back. We are locked into this change by those trades.
Trades on Cryptsy will be valid only if the corresponding deposits that got the traded coins there are valid. Withdrawals will probably be toast. Good luck, expect to loose it.



What happenned is that transactions that were sent when the main blockchain was stuck at block 246953 were processed and included in this "monocolor" fork (i'll call it like this Cheesy). From what I understand, only the transactions between blocks 246948 and 248953 might be lost because this chain was forked at block 246948.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone deletes the blockchain and the the most Infinitecoin users use this monocolor blockchain, you will normally automatically sync to this one, right?
We are up to block 246954 on the old chain and that last block alone contain 1,057,817,529 in transactions. This is a disaster.


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September 25, 2013, 11:29:49 PM
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]We are up to block 246954 on the old chain and that last block alone contain 1,057,817,529 in transactions. This is a disaster.


This doesn't mean that these transactions are not included in the forked chain. If they got broadcasted all around the network and some miner included it to a further block, they're not lost.

You have to do test and backups if you have funds involved. Don't mean it's lost and destroyed.
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September 25, 2013, 11:30:58 PM
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if you guys delete your IFC blockchain and download it again with the 1.7 client, you should get the "monocolor" fork. As far as I am concerned, this should be the correct blockchain.

Anyone who loses coins during this time, well...too bad. Especially you middlecoin, multipool coin raping strip miners. Anyone who kept trading the coin knowing that there was a possible issue, you took the risk. Cryptsy doesn't tell us which is the correct blockchain, we tell them. We as a community need to move fast and resolve this issue because people are losing time and energy. Fisheater has spoken, we the community must decide collectively which blockchain is the correct one.

So NOW is the time to speak up, let your voice be heard.

I say lets go with the "monocolor" blockchain.

I will back my vote by securing the "monocolor" blockchain.

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September 25, 2013, 11:35:46 PM
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]We are up to block 246954 on the old chain and that last block alone contain 1,057,817,529 in transactions. This is a disaster.


This doesn't mean that these transactions are not included in the forked chain. If they got broadcasted all around the network and some miner included it to a further block, they're not lost.

You have to do test and backups if you have funds involved. Don't mean it's lost and destroyed.
block 246954 on the forked chain is not the same as block 246954 on the old chain, they contain different transactions. Find me the block on the forked chain that has the 1,057,817,529 in transactions, bet you can't.
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September 25, 2013, 11:46:56 PM
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]We are up to block 246954 on the old chain and that last block alone contain 1,057,817,529 in transactions. This is a disaster.


This doesn't mean that these transactions are not included in the forked chain. If they got broadcasted all around the network and some miner included it to a further block, they're not lost.

You have to do test and backups if you have funds involved. Don't mean it's lost and destroyed.
block 246954 on the forked chain is not the same as block 246954 on the old chain, they contain different transactions. Find me the block on the forked chain that has the 1,057,817,529 in transactions, bet you can't.

I'd need to explore the monocolor blockchain to see if the address iLTo27RTdq6xwpmnNSe3JUfyZwFt7jyo3B still contains its 300 millions coins that were spend in block 246954.
The chain forked on block 246948. In this block, the coins still were in iLTo27RTdq6xwpmnNSe3JUfyZwFt7jyo3B. They arrived here in block 246822.
The only thing is that on the monocolor blockchain, the transactions in blocks 246949 to 246954 never occured. The coins are not lost.
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September 26, 2013, 12:06:28 AM
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Another thing: please avoid trading until the issue settles. We requested cryptsy to suspend the trading until the issue settles, over a day ago, but it is still trading. When the main chain is blocked, the transactions can not be confirmed. So it's better to wait for everything to settle.

just pointed bitjohn to this post and he has paused trading on IFC

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September 26, 2013, 12:08:16 AM
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Another thing: please avoid trading until the issue settles. We requested cryptsy to suspend the trading until the issue settles, over a day ago, but it is still trading. When the main chain is blocked, the transactions can not be confirmed. So it's better to wait for everything to settle.

just pointed bitjohn to this post and he has paused trading on IFC
About time! No point trying to continue with transactions when not everyone is on the same chain.
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September 26, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
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Why is the own IFC community not helping themselves by using the right client version? Unless there are troll about mining hard on an older version just to try and mess things up?
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September 26, 2013, 12:46:01 AM
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From what I can see, IFC is now alive and running fine. The current block is: 251454

With v1.7 I am able to pick up the old blockchain, sync to current and solo mine, and I did *not* need to mass download any blockchains, nor even any special addnodes. (It found everything by itself). This is not a fork that monocolor plucked out of nowhere -- rather he found it on the network, probably from a solo miner(s) that turned on his wallet at the right time and managed to route around the stall, by computing enough blocks while they were synchronizing, to get ahead of it. This reflects a “working as designed” p2p recovery from the situation.

Note that if you had the wallet active right up to the stall, it's probably a good idea to delete the old block database and re-download (note: KEEP your wallet.dat and .conf files!). (and I mean download via the standard wallet sync-ing, not that file from mega.nz)

This pool is on the active chain:
http://coin-base.net/infinitecoin/

These pools are on the broken series:
http://infinite.netcoin.pl/
https://ifc.epools.org/
http://ifc.scryptmining.com/
Also remember that the block explorers, coin chooser sites, etc showing the old series may not even be upgraded to the v1.7 software yet.

The old stalled/bad block (246953/4) has little chance of proceeding because the diff is ultra-high and still climbing, and noone is mining at those stalled pools now anyways.

It seems probable that some big pools/miners/exchange sites, including Cryptsy were caught out by the rapid flurry of releases and did not upgrade fast enough to v1.7, which contributed to the forks.

If a few blocks got orphaned around 246953 (perhaps a total 5?), that's fairly inconsequential. From what I understand, for anyone who had txns inside those orphaned blocks, the txns will either be in the new blocks, or if they never registered then the coins will be back in your wallet. (might have to rescan/reindex wallet). The coins don't just disappear!

Also note: trades happening inside Cryptsy (with coins already there) are purely on those internal accounts, and don't affect the blockchain. I would recommend holding off any transfers to/from your exchange until confirmed they are on the active chain. (you can also send a small test amount first).

The new difficulty algorithm from PPCoin, active since block 248000, looks good and is oscillating up and down nicely so far, and climbing up.  Any coin is going to have problems with mass surge-waves of hashing - an easy, perfect solution to that is not known. Fisheater has done a commendable job of responding quickly, and the PPC algorithm should be a robust improvement.

I'm not sure more checkpoints will help right now, and it could induce yet another fork point if miners fail to upgrade in time. Depends on how strongly the community wants such a confidence booster from you, fisheater.
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September 26, 2013, 01:10:25 AM
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wish we kept this whole "correct blockchain" thing a secret...but here goes

before you do this back up your wallet.dat and .conf files, just delete THE BLOCKCHAIN...

1. delete old blockchain
2. make sure you have 1.7 client, if not download 1.7 client
3. download new blockchain through wallet, as of this moment there are 25 active connections
4. wallet should report that we are on block 251505 as of this post, which is what coin-base.net is reporting as well
5. voila! IFC is alive and well
6. get everyone to do the same thing so we can all get back to our regularly scheduled program.

special thanks to ortchi42 for updating coin-base and basically letting me rape IFC....today felt like hitting the jackpot at Vegas. I will never mine that many IFC ever again in my life. Also a big thanks to "monocolor" for shedding light on this whole "forked" chain debacle...I think this is the first time in alt-crypto history a coin has forked itself to THE CORRECT CHAIN.
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September 26, 2013, 04:12:27 AM
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I just spoke with BigVern over at Cryptsy. He said that they won't be re-instating IFC until they hear from the Dev "fisheater" about what has happened with IFC and what the solution is.

I just finished downloading the new blockchain using the 1.7 client. I didn't need to add any new nodes, just the ones that came with the client which I downloaded off the infinitecoin.org website. Some coins that I mined from coin-base.net I managed to send them to my wallet. The PPC diff algo is working beautifully, Nethash is sitting at a healthy 300mhash, coin-base pumping 100mhash and diff sitting at 1.05.

Everyone please upgrade to the 1.7 client, download the blockchain again and get back on the IFC rocket.
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September 26, 2013, 04:54:00 AM
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I just spoke with BigVern over at Cryptsy. He said that they won't be re-instating IFC until they hear from the Dev "fisheater" about what has happened with IFC and what the solution is.

I just finished downloading the new blockchain using the 1.7 client. I didn't need to add any new nodes, just the ones that came with the client which I downloaded off the infinitecoin.org website. Some coins that I mined from coin-base.net I managed to send them to my wallet. The PPC diff algo is working beautifully, Nethash is sitting at a healthy 300mhash, coin-base pumping 100mhash and diff sitting at 1.05.

Everyone please upgrade to the 1.7 client, download the blockchain again and get back on the IFC rocket.

tokyoghetto, thanks for the info. Can you PM me the email of BigVern, I will send him a summary of what has happened. However, I'd prefer we stabilize a few more days before allowing trading again, trading with many forked chains will be a very messy and unpleasant thing to do.

So basically as you know, the original blockchain is jammed due to extreme high difficulty. It is jammed because the linear retarget algorithm has issues. We fixed the algorithm in the Version 1.7 client, by using the PPCoin algorithm, which has been proven to be reliable in many pos coins. But unfortunately before the planned switch happens, the blockchain jammed for 3 days, and seems continue to be jammed. During the jam, apparently several forked chains were created, in which one of them seems reasonably good, and is being adopted by the community. It is in the after-switch zone, and seems the new PPCoin diff retarget algorithm works reasonably well. If everything is working fine with this blockchain, then I have no problem (and no choice) to go with the community, and this is probably the best way we get out of the mess we have been in the last few weeks. This is a p2p network, I have no control over which blockchain to take or which not to take. It is entirely depends on the miners.

As I said before, I will continue support any enhancements/upgrades for the client as seen needed by the community. But again please understand that I can only help there. P2p coin once released, the dev can no longer control it.

Good luck to IFC!
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September 26, 2013, 05:07:50 AM
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BTW, the V1.7 client is working fine, and the last checkpoint is recent enough, so I don't see the need to release a new version of the client at this time.
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September 26, 2013, 05:46:15 AM
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From what I can see, IFC is now alive and running fine. The current block is: 251454

With v1.7 I am able to pick up the old blockchain, sync to current and solo mine, and I did *not* need to mass download any blockchains, nor even any special addnodes. (It found everything by itself). This is not a fork that monocolor plucked out of nowhere -- rather he found it on the network, probably from a solo miner(s) that turned on his wallet at the right time and managed to route around the stall, by computing enough blocks while they were synchronizing, to get ahead of it. This reflects a “working as designed” p2p recovery from the situation.

Note that if you had the wallet active right up to the stall, it's probably a good idea to delete the old block database and re-download (note: KEEP your wallet.dat and .conf files!). (and I mean download via the standard wallet sync-ing, not that file from mega.nz)

This pool is on the active chain:
http://coin-base.net/infinitecoin/

These pools are on the broken series:
http://infinite.netcoin.pl/
https://ifc.epools.org/
http://ifc.scryptmining.com/
Also remember that the block explorers, coin chooser sites, etc showing the old series may not even be upgraded to the v1.7 software yet.

The old stalled/bad block (246953/4) has little chance of proceeding because the diff is ultra-high and still climbing, and noone is mining at those stalled pools now anyways.

It seems probable that some big pools/miners/exchange sites, including Cryptsy were caught out by the rapid flurry of releases and did not upgrade fast enough to v1.7, which contributed to the forks.

If a few blocks got orphaned around 246953 (perhaps a total 5?), that's fairly inconsequential. From what I understand, for anyone who had txns inside those orphaned blocks, the txns will either be in the new blocks, or if they never registered then the coins will be back in your wallet. (might have to rescan/reindex wallet). The coins don't just disappear!

Also note: trades happening inside Cryptsy (with coins already there) are purely on those internal accounts, and don't affect the blockchain. I would recommend holding off any transfers to/from your exchange until confirmed they are on the active chain. (you can also send a small test amount first).

The new difficulty algorithm from PPCoin, active since block 248000, looks good and is oscillating up and down nicely so far, and climbing up.  Any coin is going to have problems with mass surge-waves of hashing - an easy, perfect solution to that is not known. Fisheater has done a commendable job of responding quickly, and the PPC algorithm should be a robust improvement.

I'm not sure more checkpoints will help right now, and it could induce yet another fork point if miners fail to upgrade in time. Depends on how strongly the community wants such a confidence booster from you, fisheater.

dont think that epools are up anyway.

the pools are now integrated into coinEX.
as soon as i saw there is a fork we paused trading and mining until all are on the same chain. that was 7 days ago now.
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September 26, 2013, 05:54:04 AM
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Coinchoose are on block 251903    but it says the difficulty is 249 Go figure!
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September 26, 2013, 06:04:19 AM
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Network Hashrate: 465.015 MH Huh already. Pool jumpers are on the loose again. WTF.

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September 26, 2013, 06:46:47 AM
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I've updated to 1.7 and reloaded the block chain, currently on block 252149 @ 2.137 diff, does this sound correct?

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September 26, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
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Hi, im making an IFC bomb game, and  have re-enabled IFC on coinjack.com

have uploaded a block viewer after updating the client, i think everybody should be up to the same blocks, else you are on the wrong fork, and when you play the games your funds wont arrive.

Is everyone upto the same blocks?

http://coinbomb.biz/ifcblocks/


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September 26, 2013, 11:18:38 AM
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It seems IFC begun to move. I hope the developers will be a little bit careful to our favourite coin Wink
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September 26, 2013, 11:41:42 AM
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if you are on the same block chain, come and play Coin Bomb!!

http://coinbomb.biz/infinitecoin/


check your blocks: http://coinbomb.biz/ifcblocks/

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