Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[alincoln]

Alincoln, How do you want to go about getting matching donations from the community? personal message? Or does an ANC escrow service exist? Perhaps just a shared doc somewhere?

IMO a shared sheet managed by someone appointed by the community is enough.

I'll match all ANC donations up to $5,000 if the dev team is able to successfully deliver a new version of the ANC wallet with the Zerocoin protocol fully implemented before June 1st.

The implementation must achieve minimally the following: 1) full anonymization of all transactions; 2) be 100% trustless

The feat should be well documented and independently reviewed by a reputable third party. The third party could be any of the major Bitcoin publications, or someone with expertise in cryptography. If you have a better idea I'm accepting suggestions.

After it's independently reviewed and accepted by the community, I'll use Cryptsy's 7 day average rate to convert and match all donations up to $5,000.

This should be seen as a motivation factor and a reward for the developers. If they want to spend the money with girls or traveling instead of reinvesting in ANC itself, it's really up to them.

When you say "1) full anonymization of all transactions;" I think we should be more precise about what it means. When Zerocoin is fully and securely implemented in Anoncoin, you can spend a zerocoin you minted previously, and nobody without access to your computer would be able to connect the minting with the spending. The users still have to watch out for side-channel attacks, such as malware on their computer (even in a VM!), or somebody looking over their shoulder. Also, if their minting and spending have certain patterns (made at the same day of week and time of day, or a very unique combination of denominations), then this can make it possible to link mints and spends. A careless user may also link the same Anoncoin address to both the minting and the spending transactions.

Also, though I2P is very likely to be secure (and more likely to be secure than Tor, in my opinion, because it is harder to do traffic analysis on a packet-switched mixnet), if somebody could ever de-anonymize I2P users, then they could de-anonymize Anoncoin users (even if they use Zerocoin).

If the above caveats are acceptable to you, then I accept your offer.

Hi, your caveats are acceptable.

It's up for the community (or yourself) to create a shared sheet and ask for donations.

Good luck!

[drAGon925]

I saw nice rise of value and volume on DRK,
and I can only imagine what price could be and will be after Zerocoin and few PR moves.

It is obvious that anonymous coins have an audience, and who must have the most, but the first and true anonymous coin  ANC !!!

I am not competent to create a logo or setting up voting on the forum, but I see that there are potential members that could trigger some changes and discussions.

I hope that someone will make the first move, before Zerocoina who seems to be at the end of implantation. We need to prepare the ground a bit.

It's easier to spin the story if the ice breaks and discussions continue.

[zikomoto]

can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

[Gnosis-]

can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

Read this interview I did a couple months ago. Note that the last paragraph ("What do you think"...) is not from me, even though it's in the same font and there is no divider above it.

Any Anoncoins you buy or mine now will be convertible to/from zerocoins once it is launched. You won't need to use an exchange, but you will need to upgrade your wallet software.

[alincoln]

Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

[zikomoto]

can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

Read this interview I did a couple months ago. Note that the last paragraph ("What do you think"...) is not from me, even though it's in the same font and there is no divider above it.

Any Anoncoins you buy or mine now will be convertible to/from zerocoins once it is launched. You won't need to use an exchange, but you will need to upgrade your wallet software.

thank's

[lunokhod2]

Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

Gnosis,

Has the problem described on this thread been solved?

https://pay.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1t23ph/generating_a_composite_number_of_unknown/

[jl777]

WTB 10000 ANC PM me with offers, in addition to BTC, I can exchange NXT or even DRK

James

[n00n]

http://image.bayimg.com/d898694c80a341c8a720c7f8686fd9e8d717ed1f.jpg
http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

n00n

[K1773R]

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

Hope you like it, if so:
AJaFjcHfCQ8poheqE85nb4VDiQEhXj5ptE

n00n

I like this very much

[Hannah faeos]

hi.can somebody kindly post solo mining guide to anoncoin?is this ming different than other altcoin mining?can cgminer do its mining?what darknets like I2P, TOR ??do share the config file settings..do we need to addnodes??thnxx

get source, compile daemon, create config, point your miners to given daemon, done -> ur mining

[Spekulatius]

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

Hope you like it, if so:
AJaFjcHfCQ8poheqE85nb4VDiQEhXj5ptE

n00n

Pretty well designed. But its also pretty dark and moody. I can already hear people yelling "Illuminaty, Pyramids and NWO"

[Gnosis-]

Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

I have found an approach that anyone can verify. It involves hashing, which means that anyone can verify that I did not multiply prime factors together to generate the "UFO"s (I would need to mount a pre-image attack on the hash function). We can assume that the candidates are uniformly distributed in the range [0, 2^3840), which is nice. See Github (if you read C++):

https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/zerocoin/src/libzerocoin/ParamGeneration.cpp#L748
https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/zerocoin/src/libzerocoin/PrintUFOCandidate.cpp

PrintUFOCandidate.cpp compiles to a program called "ufo" (do "cd src/libzerocoin/Build-gcc && make -j9 ufo && ./ufo `seq 0 16`") that takes one or more "UFO index" numbers on the command line and generates 3840-bit UFO candidates using SHA-256 hashing. The output format is one or more lines of "<ufoIndex>:<ufo_candidate>". I am working on a system in which the community can participate in testing these candidates.

My posts in this Reddit thread explain it further.

Gnosis,

Has the problem described on this thread been solved?

https://pay.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1t23ph/generating_a_composite_number_of_unknown/

Yes it has been solved.

[Tyke]

CRYPTOCURRENCY "THE ALT-ERNATIVE" REFERENCE BOOK

I have written the two preliminary pages for Anoncoin ANC.  I need help from the Anoncoin Community in order fully complete it.  I want important points included.  Any further suggestions are welcome.  Please consider donating towards the future publication of the book.  I expect it to be published in the summer.

Donation address:   ANVLEZMHZYZRtS9mT4WNxunwLN7xi89imD

[WDL]

The Chinese trading platform 比特时代（www.btc38.com） released its all coins` cold Wallet ,which holds 109425.514272 Anoncoins.    AQ4X6FMaSwX4ARenfK1mCTNAfa46TUnCR5

[drAGon925]

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

Hope you like it, if so:
AJaFjcHfCQ8poheqE85nb4VDiQEhXj5ptE

n00n

My vote go for this logo!  You have a lead for now! : )

[drAGon925]

The Chinese trading platform 比特时代（www.btc38.com） released its all coins` cold Wallet ,which holds 109425.514272 Anoncoins.    AQ4X6FMaSwX4ARenfK1mCTNAfa46TUnCR5

Today 100k look like not many, but address who is on 1st place have 100k ANC ,
look at other coins , like btc how much people on the top hold..

This time next year, who knows what price will be.

I also had just few hundreds of btc before few years : )

Regards

[Kikyca]

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Like for this logo  

[drAGon925]

CRYPTOCURRENCY "THE ALT-ERNATIVE" REFERENCE BOOK

I have written the two preliminary pages for Anoncoin ANC.  I need help from the Anoncoin Community in order fully complete it.  I want important points included.  Any further suggestions are welcome.  Please consider donating towards the future publication of the book.  I expect it to be published in the summer.

Donation address:   ANVLEZMHZYZRtS9mT4WNxunwLN7xi89imD

Thanks for promoting ANC!

You will have to insert information that ANC have Zerocoin inside, very soon!

[TheKoziTwo]

Since your previous estimates (late march / early april) did not come to fruition, would you be so kind to provide us with a new, realistic estimation for when the testnet will be out?