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[TheKoziTwo]

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[Gnosis-]

Matched 127.5224687 ANC

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8836960#msg8836960

The past day's donations bring me up to October 20 for full time work. 

Today, I took some time to update the Anoncoin wiki page for RSA UFOs. I suggest you all have a look, since it will probably answer a lot of questions and clear up misconceptions I have seen floating around. Let me know if anything is unclear.

[tomothy]

@rsa_ufo_attack:  Do you like fishsticks?

[lunokhod2]

@rsa_ufo_attack:  Do you like fishsticks?

Best response to a troll so far!

[GroundRod]

24hr Volume on CEX.io today is @16029anc, or ~22.43btc based on the 0.0014 price.

5th place on Cryptsy right now out of 195 Active Markets, with 8.19btc volume in trade.

[GroundRod]

It just occurred to me, a possible answer to why so much btc is traded in doge.

...Gads 721btc today on one exchange. 

Their is allot of big money setting on their thumbs, twiddling.

...what to do...what to do...

..they spend their days buying and selling a shitcoin, that isn't worth 1 Ltoshi, play games on the crypto forums and stay comfortable.  A coin that prints new amounts in the millions a day harmonizes with their financial viewpoint .

Now I'll make a prediction as to what's about to happen, we're coming up on a time when that is about to change.

Allot of that shitcoin money is going to have to be sold off, for most @ a big loss. 
Allot of what's left in btc will then need to be stored in a safe dark place. 
Something secure and hidden from view, so they can declare that 100% loss in play money.   Allot of that might be used to buy zANC.

I have but a few anc, yet IMO Anoncoin is one of those coins which could exceed a bitcoin in value, perhaps by allot....

GR

[fuckbuddy]

101 ANC sent to gnos1s w00t w00t

[Simcom]

24hr Volume on CEX.io today is @16029anc, or ~22.43btc based on the 0.0014 price.

5th place on Cryptsy right now out of 195 Active Markets, with 8.19btc volume in trade.

ANC trades on CEX.io?

[Gnosis-]

24hr Volume on CEX.io today is @16029anc, or ~22.43btc based on the 0.0014 price.

5th place on Cryptsy right now out of 195 Active Markets, with 8.19btc volume in trade.

ANC trades on CEX.io?

Yes, apparently:

https://cex.io/#ANC-BTC

Their trade history for ANC-BTC starts at September 14.

[Simcom]

24hr Volume on CEX.io today is @16029anc, or ~22.43btc based on the 0.0014 price.

5th place on Cryptsy right now out of 195 Active Markets, with 8.19btc volume in trade.

ANC trades on CEX.io?

Yes, apparently:

https://cex.io/#ANC-BTC

Their trade history for ANC-BTC starts at September 14.

Wow. Lots of volume!  https://cex.io/#ANC-BTC

Gnosis keep up the good work! I was stoked to see all the new code today.

https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/compare/35333e5165...0202434bac

[niteglider]

@Gnosis: What are your arguments against it?

Wait... so all this time you've been saying the Gnosis isn't even competent enough to write the code,
and now you are saying the he not only wrote a secret code, but also wrote a separate app to post for
the world to see and review?

I don't think you do like fish sticks.  And even if you claim to, how would we know that you were actually
eating fish sticks and not chicken fingers?

[rhader]

So whats this coin all about?

[varun555]

So whats this coin all about?

Visit OP and the subsequent links....

[SmokingSkull]

So whats this coin all about?

Visit OP and the subsequent links....

Basically its a community which is keen on anonymity. The developers of the Coin are implementing a "technology" called Zerocoin, which would be the ultimate anonymizer as of now. Compared to CoinJoin or Ring Signitures Zerocoin is far more sophisticated. Not to forget i2p which is already compatible with the wallet
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki

[matthewh3]

Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.  Let's see how many pages are written in the seven weeks following Zerocoin on the test-net due around October the 15th.  Or written within the seven weeks once Zerocoin is on the main-net due roughly around the beginning of November.

[Apraksin]

Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.

Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".

Yes, there is a noticeable lack of retarded posts like "to the moon" and "such wow, much rich" in this thread, wich again has a direct effect on the number of pages in the thread, quantity vs quality etc. You want lots of pages with hype you should check out librexcoin, There's a user named Plamen345 who's speciality is to remark every second post that he believes LXC will go to 200 k sat any day now. Qualitycontribution.

[matthewh3]

The updated RSA UFO page on the Anoncoin wiki.  Helps to explain how Anoncoin is going to be first cryptocoin to successfully implement a trustless implementation of the Zerocoin protocol.

[varun555]

Anyway, I just wanted to clear up some confusion here about the RSA UFOs: users will be able to know that I do not have the complete factorization because the UFOs were produced by hashing with a cryptographically secure hash function (SHA-256, which is used everywhere in Bitcoin, Litecoin, Anoncoin, etc.). Small factors were found and removed in the UFO project. So the procedure to generate the complete RSA UFOs is 1) create the 13 "raw" UFOs by hashing, and 2) divide out the small factors found in the UFO project. This is performed not only by the UFO clients and server, but also will be performed on startup by all Anoncoin wallet software. The code is already there to do this.

You say: I do not have the complete factorization.
We have no proof about that. On the few results you showed us: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8855999#msg8855999 we can see that you received the factors clearly.
About the UFO server code your provided on github, we have no proof that this is the same code used by the server during the few weeks of the RSA-UFO project.

You say: the UFOs were produced by hashing with a cryptographically secure hash function SHA-256
Yes, SHA-256 is a secure hash function and not reversible like RSA but to test and remove small factors from these UFOs, you must to convert these SHA-256 (hex) to decimals. Then, you know the UFOs.

About the ParamGeneration.cpp you provided on your github, this file is to test the 13 RSA-"UFOs" (N number) and start the accumulators with right parameters. The original file is there:
https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/ParamGeneration.cpp

As you can see, Gnosis removed the original comments about the purpose of this file:
/// Fills in a ZC_Params data structure deterministically from
/// a trustworthy RSA modulus "N", which is provided as a Bignum.
///
/// Note: this routine makes the fundamental assumption that "N"
/// encodes a valid RSA-style modulus of the form "e1*e2" for some
/// unknown safe primes "e1" and "e2". These factors must not
/// be known to any party, or the security of Zerocoin is
/// compromised. The integer "N" must be a MINIMUM of 1023
/// in length, and 3072 bits is strongly recommended.

Also, there is not one UFO, but 13 UFOs; to be valid, a coin must be accumulated in all of them. Using Monte Carlo simulations, I have found that there is a ~20% chance that any one of them can be factored by an extremely powerful attacker. This means that the probability of all 13 UFOs being factored by an extremely powerful attacker is about 1 in a billion -- and note that it would take factoring all of them to be able to forge zerocoins. My definition of "extremely powerful attacker" is one that can remove factors by the Elliptic Curve Method (ECM) up to 768 bits and can factor numbers up to 2048 bits using the Generalized Number Field Sieve (GNFS). This is far beyond what anybody is likely to be able to do for many decades.

This probability is based on the Sander white paper made in 1999. 15 years ago the known capabilities of a supposed attacker were not the same as today. No one knows the actual capabilities of the NSA today and in a year. In this area, things change very fast.
Some infos: http://www.wired.com/2013/09/black-budget-what-exactly-are-the-nsas-cryptanalytic-capabilities/
More infos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_known_prime_number

Can you ellaborate how you concluded the chance of factorization of a single UFO by an extremely powerful attacker is ~20%? To me a probability only makes sense if you take the variable time into account. How can a powerful attacker have a ~20% chance of factorization spending either 1 day or 1 year of computing power trying to factorize the number?

Okay, you're right. Pick any timespan you want, say, one year. A powerful attacker would be one that can find factors by ECM up to 768 bits and factor numbers up to 2048 bits by GNFS in one year. Such an attacker would then have a ~20% chance of factoring any one of those UFOs in that timespan. Assuming the capacity does not change, in 13 years, the attacker would have had a 1 in a billion chance of factoring all of them, because the attacker would have had enough time to be able to try all 13 in that time. Does that make sense?

There is a big mistake with your probability and timespan to broke the 13 RSA keys. You take in consideration that the attacker will do only one attack per key. If the attacker do multiple attacks on the 13 keys at the same time, the timespan to broke them decrease considerably.

Using RSA is doomed to failure because it's reversible. The probabilities and assumptions that it's too complex for an attacker to broke it are absurd. If there is a risk even small, it's not possible to take it.
About the risk of trapdoor, it's impossible to verify because the RSA generation is not made ​​by the wallet but by its creator (Gnosis). The wallet only verify these keys to generate parameters and start accumulators (file: ParamGeneration.cpp).

@Gnosis: What are your arguments against it?

Wait... so all this time you've been saying the Gnosis isn't even competent enough to write the code,
and now you are saying the he not only wrote a secret code, but also wrote a separate app to post for
the world to see and review?

I don't think you do like fish sticks.  And even if you claim to, how would we know that you were actually
eating fish sticks and not chicken fingers?

Yes, he is not competent enough to write the code and he know that also:
Keep in mind I'm not a serious cryptographer, just an implementer of crypto
Source: https://pay.reddit.com/r/ZeroCoin/comments/1uy35p/matthew_green_to_speak_about_new_zerocoin_version/

Yes, I repeat, we have no proof that the UFO server code on github is the same code used by the server during the few weeks of the RSA-UFO project. In addition, Gnosis has shown only very few results he wanted to show us. We can see some factors found in clear. Even if he encode these factors with SHA-256, it changes nothing.
In fact, there is no way to generate the 13 RSA keys of accumulators in a trustless manner and Gnosis clearly fail to prove otherwise.

Kind Sir /Madam

You have been exemplary in your efforts to point out the shortcomings, loopholes and related dangers with the rsa-ufo project. We as a community are indebted to you. But your persistently  dogging gnosis  has already decreased your credit and standing to next to nothing.

Your  continuation will only substantiate the notion that the sole purpose of your presence is to "attack"  rsa-ufo, or you labour with the motive of pestering gnosis enough to give up all his info to you on a platter.

You will have observed that donations to gnosis continues unabated. So kindly desist.

[Gnosis-]

Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.

Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".

The trolls have gained awareness of each other! Is this a new stage in their evolution? 

[shtako]

Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.

Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".

The trolls have gained awareness of each other! Is this a new stage in their evolution? 

Actually, I think its fair to say that is de-evolution we are witnessing here.