[BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)

[stripykitteh]

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

He expects to be on the forums this weekend to "sort out the DMS mess". He pointed out that the funds are still intact (which last time I looked they were).

Make of that what you will!

[inspiredinvestor]

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

He expects to be on the forums this weekend to "sort out the DMS mess". He pointed out that the funds are still intact (which last time I looked they were).

Make of that what you will!

fingers cross eh! would be nice to have it all sorted, stripykitteh are you in Sydney? I'll take you out to that Owl House restaurant that's now accepting bitcoin, once we get our coin, my treat!

[twentyseventy]

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

He expects to be on the forums this weekend to "sort out the DMS mess". He pointed out that the funds are still intact (which last time I looked they were).

Make of that what you will!

Quite an interesting time for him to come out and say that he's not Jon Walklin. I would say that the fair thing would be for him to out himself publicly or to give an IRL point of contact since he's clearly not capable of coming around when he say he will.

Not that I think that he'll do that, but here I go wondering out loud again.

[stripykitteh]

fingers cross eh! would be nice to have it all sorted, stripykitteh are you in Sydney? I'll take you out to that Owl House restaurant that's now accepting bitcoin, once we get our coin, my treat!

I'm not in Sydney but I do get there from time to time. I'll keep it in mind! Let's get a result first.

[stripykitteh]

Quite an interesting time for him to come out and say that he's not Jon Walklin. I would say that the fair thing would be for him to out himself publicly or to give an IRL point of contact since he's clearly not capable of coming around when he say he will.

Not that I think that he'll do that, but here I go wondering out loud again.

Whilst my mind is also boggled with possible theories that explain the events of the past few days I'm just hoping that we get a speedy result to the satisfaction of all parties.

BTW, JohnWasser, I forgot to thank you earlier for your help, so you have my thanks now.

[twentyseventy]

Quite an interesting time for him to come out and say that he's not Jon Walklin. I would say that the fair thing would be for him to out himself publicly or to give an IRL point of contact since he's clearly not capable of coming around when he say he will.

Not that I think that he'll do that, but here I go wondering out loud again.

Whilst my mind is also boggled with possible theories that explain the events of the past few days I'm just hoping that we get a speedy result to the satisfaction of all parties.

BTW, JohnWasser, I forgot to thank you earlier for your help, so you have my thanks now.

True, him getting everyone settled is what really counts.

[tekke]

Hope it's for real this time.

[Rannasha]

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

He expects to be on the forums this weekend to "sort out the DMS mess". He pointed out that the funds are still intact (which last time I looked they were).

Make of that what you will!

Quite an interesting time for him to come out and say that he's not Jon Walklin. I would say that the fair thing would be for him to out himself publicly or to give an IRL point of contact since he's clearly not capable of coming around when he say he will.

Not that I think that he'll do that, but here I go wondering out loud again.

Or just hand over the fund to a trusted third party who can arrange for a controlled shutdown and fair distribution of funds.

But regarding the promised sorting out of the mess... I'll believe it when I see it.

[stripykitteh]

Or just hand over the fund to a trusted third party who can arrange for a controlled shutdown and fair distribution of funds.

But regarding the promised sorting out of the mess... I'll believe it when I see it.

Deprived mentioned "a clear plan for resolving the situation".

I agree with your sentiments, though. Actions speak louder than words.

[twentyseventy]

Halfway through this weekend at the moment... anyone making/taking bets on Deprived's no-show?

[HowlingMad]

Halfway through this weekend at the moment... anyone making/taking bets on Deprived's no-show?

Put me on the no-show list!  How large of a bet are you taking? 


Pre-annoucement> InspiredInvestor and I are starting a new fund.  I figured this group would like it.  It is called the TOGS fund.  TOGS stands for "Tired of Getting Screwed".  It will consist of a money market account, some scrypt mining, and whatever stocks we actually like..  Unfortunately, the choice of stocks and markets are very minuscule.   

Also, we are looking at starting "Bitcoin Safety Net".  A Bitcoin insurance company for situations just like this! Oh yeah, and if your computer or service gets hacked and you lose all your coin.  I and some friends (banking and law enforcement) have been hashing this out for several months now.  But the fund will come first.
 

[tekke]

Halfway through this weekend at the moment... anyone making/taking bets on Deprived's no-show?

Put me on the no-show list!

+1

[JohnWasser]

I wrote Jon [Walklin] a nice email basically asking him if he is actually Deprived, and if not, if he knows another 'Jon W' in the UK computer forensics field who might be.

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

So you sent an email to Jon Walklin and got an unprompted reply to the same question from Deprived?  That seems suspicious. 

Any reply from Jon Walklin yet?

Was there any data of interest in the email headers on the email you got from Deprived?  An IP address?

[stripykitteh]

I wrote Jon [Walklin] a nice email basically asking him if he is actually Deprived, and if not, if he knows another 'Jon W' in the UK computer forensics field who might be.

Overnight (my time) I received an email from Deprived. He says he's not Jon Walklin, and doesn't know Jon Walklin.

So you sent an email to Jon Walklin and got an unprompted reply to the same question from Deprived?  That seems suspicious.  

Any reply from Jon Walklin yet?

Was there any data of interest in the email headers on the email you got from Deprived?  An IP address?

I sent an email to jon.randomemail@gmail.com before I tried calling Jon Walklin and emailing him. The email I sent to that gmail address basically asked if jon.randomemail@gmail.com, Deprived and Jon Walklin are the same identity.

I haven't received any reply from 'Jon Walklin'. If things do not work out with Deprived I will continue to seek a denial from Jon Walklin. If this is all a mystery to him he has no reason not to say so.

Here's the entire header (apart from my name redacted); can't see anything of interest but YMMV:

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 19:16:54 +0100
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Subject: Re: Are you Jon Walklin of Guidepost Solutions?
From: Jon W <jon.randomemail@gmail.com>
To: <stripykitteh>
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[Lohoris]

Here's the entire header (apart from my name redacted); can't see anything of interest but YMMV:

Me neither.
I thought gmail included client's IP in the headers, but apparently that's not the case.

[HowlingMad]

Here's the entire header (apart from my name redacted); can't see anything of interest but YMMV:

Me neither.
I thought gmail included client's IP in the headers, but apparently that's not the case.

Sorry email reacts completely different than you would think.  You will never get the IP address of the mail client (Were the hell is he at) unless the sender runs their own email server from home.  

Your email client or web interface logs into the server and the server handles everything.  The address at the top 10.xx.xx.xx is a non-routable address along with 172.16.xx.xx and 192.168.xx.xx

A non-routable address implies that once the IP hits the firewall, the firewall converts the packet to a public address and then sends the packet along.

Try it from home.  I have 2 email accounts, and sent a test message from one to the other.  My gateways were Washington state (outlook.com) and Northern New Jersey (comcast.net); both of my email accounts.
The data center for my ISP is about 20 minutes from the house and that was the address given in the email.  


The gmail gateway used is located in France, near Luxembourg.  Try this utility: http://www.ipligence.com/geolocation  

Can you tell I do this for a living?

[stripykitteh]

The address at the top 10.xx.xx.xx is a non-routable address along with 172.16.xx.xx and 192.168.xx.xx

Yeah once I saw the 10.x... address I figured it was a dead-end.

Deprived has missed the weekend unless he's somewhere unexpected like Hawaii.

[shmoula]

So you sent an email to Jon Walklin and got an unprompted reply to the same question from Deprived?  That seems suspicious. 

Any reply from Jon Walklin yet?

Was there any data of interest in the email headers on the email you got from Deprived?  An IP address?

That seems suspicious for me too!! Like always - when someone tries to solve something about deprived identity, he appears for a while to calm down the crowd and then disappears again.

[JohnWasser]

So you sent an email to Jon Walklin and got an unprompted reply to the same question from Deprived?  That seems suspicious.

I sent an email to jon.randomemail@gmail.com before I tried calling Jon Walklin and emailing him. The email I sent to that gmail address basically asked if jon.randomemail@gmail.com, Deprived and Jon Walklin are the same identity.

That makes the reply from Deprived much less suspicious.

[arctos]

If anyone has demonstrable losses caused by my absence (by which I mean actual costs incurred - not "I could have sold when BTC was 1200 if DMS had been relisted and CIPHERMINE.B1 had traded at face value") then I'm fine with covering them.  Lack of funds was never (and isn't) an issue for me.

i think "demonstrable losses" should include interest on huge downtime. as if we can believe deprived has the slightest intention of keeping his word