KRUNIAC Scam ASIC 1 share

[Kruniac]

It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.

No, I ACTUALLY DID transfer the share via Friedcat. In fact, he was the only person I transferred shares to. Why?

He used escrow

You can check the PM records (if you can do that, John). I sent two PMs to Friedcat.

One was me transferring the share to Methax.

The other was me trying to confirm the share to Friedcat.

Regardless of what happened with any other transactions, it sounds like Friedcat made a transfer based on someone else's message (jwest?). I transferred ownership of that share on June 05, 2013, at 08:16:26 AM.


No other PMs were sent to Friedcat involving a transfer.

Methax is the only person authorized by me to own that share. Period. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

At this point, I'm not even interested in the escrow. It's the principle

Methax was the only person to demand escrow. I accepted. I legitimately transferred ownership of the share BECAUSE he demanded escrow.

I'm not the admin here. Anyway, I think I have sufficient proof that the share isn't transferred to him, and that you're trying to sell the poor share multiple times, so the funds is refunded to the buyer.

I'll let this go. I made my money.

I will say this - I DID transfer the share to methax before I made any deals with anyone else.

I DO have screenshots to prove this.

I transferred it because HE USED ESCROW, and I COULD NOT get funds without LEGITIMATELY transferring it.

That's all.

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[Therealcos]

I paid for 1 ASICMiner share from Kruniac yesterday:

INBOX:

Kruniac
ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 06, 2013, 10:35:34 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
Would you be interested in buying an ASICMiner share? I found you in an auction thread for ASICMiner shares, and figured you were in the market.

I'll resell at 2.45 BTC. I can do more with the BTC than I can with the share TBH.

Proof of ownership is at this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


Kruniac
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 07, 2013, 12:49:59 AM »
That sounds good to me!  

If you happen to not win the auction, just send me a PM to see if I still have the share.

At any rate, good luck with your bidding.

Kruniac
ASIC Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 07, 2013, 10:02:31 PM »
It certainly does!

One ASICMiner share @ 2.45 BTC.

Proof of ownership: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


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This message is from address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
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Signature: HxZHgnBWombwu+Mpy29gFPpZAaeoXNT00OIpk3XtZEKquT8vaL4TTEz7tG36/SL1GCy/PaSHdZ6toB4A0v5R9P8=



If you're interested, please provide me with the address you'd like dividends sent to, the username you'd like associated with the share transfer, as well as the TxID of payment to the following address:

19qxEXvt22gSfrXKj3TPPAF2112Rs81DJ4

If everything goes smoothly, I'll pass the PM along to Friedcat authorizing the transfer.

Also, please remember to rate Trust after Friedcat contacts you confirming the transfer.


Kruniac
Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 03:26:08 AM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
Hey. Sorry to bug you, but did you still want that share, or can I stop holding it?


Kruniac
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 04:29:38 AM »
I understand. That will be fine - I'm not expecting any other transactions, so I'll trust that it's you.

I'll send the PM to Friedcat with the following information:

User: Therealcos
Address: 1NGNmWMKrUemNDsT6KyzKtsABxus3Lnr9


Kruniac
Re: Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 04:35:23 AM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
I got it just fine. I'll send the PM off ASAP - you should hear back from Friedcat within 48 hours (just an estimate - he's pretty swamped).

Don't forget to trust when you receive confirmation.
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OUTBOX:

Therealcos
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 07, 2013, 12:47:41 AM »
Hi Kruniac,
Actually I would like to buy a share, but the amount I have offered at the auction is my entire contingent for trading. In case the auction doesn't work out for me, and you're still interested, we can do this. I'll let you know, but I can't promise until tomorrow.

Have a nice day!


Therealcos
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 07, 2013, 07:31:28 PM »
Hey Kruniac, does your offer still stand?

Therealcos
Re: Share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 08, 2013, 04:17:44 AM »
Hey Kruniac,

Sorry for taking so long to reply. Yes, I'll take it. Before I send the funds, know that I will transfer them from MtGox, so I can only retrieve the ID they show me, I'm not sure if that corresponds to the txID in the blockchain or is MtGox specific. Is it okay?

Other than that, this username is fine and the address is
1NGNmWMKrUemNDsT6KyzKtsABxus3Lnr9

I'll send the payment after receiving your confirmation


Therealcos
Re: Share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 08, 2013, 04:31:26 AM »
Hi Kruniac,

I just sent the BTC2.45 to your address

The txID is fcd98fc1669496ee8385ae729bf920d37ea2145c6c55c96412c49e2ce65cbee7

[wo0x]

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wo0x@bitcointalk proofs control of 1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd
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Sig: Gy7I85C08ljxbimouX+fNIxjkbGxnh5dcX5rLXgy3amXc3VIR1v6wAa3wIU3PY34/dA7HtxTR9zwXYZtVEVO5oo=


I sent him 2.35 in tx a94a47f563e679f1b27ad9ee6837e7d27599f5a9a261f7ea9a366948aba0220c ... shame on me, obviously w/o escrow.

jwest, I sent pm to you later. To point out here, friedcat was replying to me, that the share was moved to an address starting with 1F8hkA.., owned by jwest411. if jwest411 owns that address, it'll be fine for him.

[vesper39]

Well he sure isn't the brightest scammer. He personally admitted for his actions, several people have chat logs as proof, and someone even found his home address. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Maryland's Criminal Law:

Theft can be a felony when the value of stolen property exceeds $1,000, and at this level it is considered grand theft. If the value of stolen property falls under $10,000, the crime is punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment. When the value of stolen property falls between $10,000 and $100,000, the crime is punishable by up to a $15,000 fine and 15 years imprisonment. Once the value of stolen property exceeds $100,000, the penalty can be up to 25 years in prison and a $25,000 fine. Grand theft can be charged in the third, second or first degree based on these stolen property value thresholds, respectively.

[John (John K.)]

It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.

No, I ACTUALLY DID transfer the share via Friedcat. In fact, he was the only person I transferred shares to. Why?

He used escrow

You can check the PM records (if you can do that, John). I sent two PMs to Friedcat.

One was me transferring the share to Methax.

The other was me trying to confirm the share to Friedcat.

Regardless of what happened with any other transactions, it sounds like Friedcat made a transfer based on someone else's message (jwest?). I transferred ownership of that share on June 05, 2013, at 08:16:26 AM.


No other PMs were sent to Friedcat involving a transfer.

Methax is the only person authorized by me to own that share. Period. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

At this point, I'm not even interested in the escrow. It's the principle

Methax was the only person to demand escrow. I accepted. I legitimately transferred ownership of the share BECAUSE he demanded escrow.

I'm not the admin here. Anyway, I think I have sufficient proof that the share isn't transferred to him, and that you're trying to sell the poor share multiple times, so the funds is refunded to the buyer.

I'll let this go. I made my money.

I will say this - I DID transfer the share to methax before I made any deals with anyone else.

I DO have screenshots to prove this.

I transferred it because HE USED ESCROW, and I COULD NOT get funds without LEGITIMATELY transferring it.

That's all.

Meh, your words are useless to me. That's all. Please enjoy your stolen funds, one day karma's going to get back to you.

[wo0x]

Without claiming completeness or claiming that all transactions mentioned here are scam.
Please send messages, if you revail and proof ownership of one of those addresses.

Thanks

date	address	proving owner	amount of BTC
2013-06-05 23:18:17	19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui		1.8
2013-06-05 18:53:58	14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK		2.1
2013-06-06 00:55:18	126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D		2.2
2013-06-06 02:20:30	19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq		2.2
2013-06-06 03:53:31			2.29663866
2013-06-06 08:49:10			2.2
2013-06-06 20:49:21	18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK		2.2
2013-06-07 01:34:36	1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5		2.45
2013-06-07 03:22:56	1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD		2.2
2013-06-07 06:03:00	1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK		2.4
2013-06-07 09:23:58	1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd	wo0x	2.35

Source: http://blockchain.info/address/14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

[Tomatocage]

Wow, what a worthless piece of shit, this Garrott Gardner.

Always remember rule #0:
Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).

[BigBitz]

I bought 16.4BTC from him some nights ago. I paid using International Wire.

I have cancelled this payment and he will not get any money from me until this situation is resolved.

[BCB]

There may be a possiblity of recovering your funds.

Please post a signed message in this thread proving your owner ship of the address you used to send Kruniac the funds.

[BigBitz]

So having had a quick discussion with BCB I think what I will do is return the 16.4BTC to you people who were scammed.

I could 11 potentially scam transactions for ASICMiner shares, I believe one was fulfilled so that leaves 10?

To adjust for fairness I believe 1.6BTC to be returned to each of you who can prove the address/transactions etc is good?

[hwmax]

I sent from localbitcoins which does not support signing, but here is a screenshot from my wallet transactions on there which matches up with the PM he sent shown earlier: https://i.imgur.com/1oPAQAF.png

[dhenson]

So having had a quick discussion with BCB I think what I will do is return the 16.4BTC to you people who were scammed.

I could 11 potentially scam transactions for ASICMiner shares, I believe one was fulfilled so that leaves 10?

To adjust for fairness I believe 1.6BTC to be returned to each of you who can prove the address/transactions etc is good?

Wow this is an amazing turn of events.  I still feel that we should pursue prosecution.  Once the list of victims is compiled we should all be named on the complaint (well, those that want to be) so that the total value of the heist is large enough for the local police to take action.

Transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6a4994b257f2881095be0d2162e757485ca87ecbd10d6dd74a312ea408f64fcd

Address:
1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK

Message:
dhenson is the owner of 1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXdjvC4kYK  Thank you for returning my funds!!!

Signature:
G1ghiheVYg5272OL6QVuE1ffoLNGM+3ycHZggM79IcrWLP+NWpStZKF1vg9oepvGNKJa61GaDUaBAboArNrEEag=

Thank You!

[BigBitz]

Keep posting information and any screenshots, TXIDs and PMs etc.

I will ask JohnK and BCB to review and between us we will decide if the proof is good enough to return any funds.

[matt_boyd]

I unfortunately received a message from him;

Would you be interested in buying an ASICMiner share? I found you in an auction thread for ASICMiner shares, and figured you were in the market.

I'll resell at 2.2 BTC. I can do more with the BTC than I can with the share TBH.

Proof of ownership is at this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193

However, I was one of the lucky ones who didn't send any money to him, I was close though, I really wanted that share.

So I guess the moral of the story is not to trust people through PMs and if there is a large enough amount at stake that you would prefer not to risk, use escrow services provided.

Hope all of you guys get sorted out, big up to all those who are funding the money back, you guys are troopers and the type of people who keep this community together as a whole.

If I had anything to give, I would, but alas.

If I can be any help to anyone, please message me!

Thanks, Matt.

[dhenson]

Keep posting information and any screenshots, TXIDs and PMs etc.

I will ask JohnK and BCB to review and between us we will decide if the proof is good enough to return any funds.

Is my signature sufficient, or are you saying you would like further screenshots?

[methax]

Hi guys, thanks for this. It was great waking up to this glory.

Time to get this guy.

[wo0x]

thanks to all, I sent PM to BCB, BigBitz and jwest411.

[ironcross360]

ill help ya get it all back.

[ironcross360]

Has anyone been taken to court over a scam like this? He scammed me on IRC via OTC.
I want to know how to do this. I have all the logs and he was authed. I also have his IP address.. He admitted to everyone in the channel that he scammed me and sent me a message to get over it. 

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cc4ebbc1fe75165e00474344ce6500a12869578155068274317bbcaa3281914

Here is his response on bitcointalk to me over getting scammed..

https://i.imgur.com/KtWVjka.png

I was doing this all to buy my girlfriend a puppy. The majority of OTC was aware that I was looking for paypal for this reason. Today I was supposed to meetup and pay for the puppy and now haven't been able to do so.  This has completely ruined my trust in the WoT. BCB had vouched for him shortly prior to me sending the funds. I trust BCB very much so and he had done successful transactions with him. So I know he isn't at fault.  But this is devastating.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Its not illegal.

[tencevad]

Has anyone been taken to court over a scam like this? He scammed me on IRC via OTC.
I want to know how to do this. I have all the logs and he was authed. I also have his IP address.. He admitted to everyone in the channel that he scammed me and sent me a message to get over it.  

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cc4ebbc1fe75165e00474344ce6500a12869578155068274317bbcaa3281914

Here is his response on bitcointalk to me over getting scammed..

https://i.imgur.com/KtWVjka.png

I was doing this all to buy my girlfriend a puppy. The majority of OTC was aware that I was looking for paypal for this reason. Today I was supposed to meetup and pay for the puppy and now haven't been able to do so.  This has completely ruined my trust in the WoT. BCB had vouched for him shortly prior to me sending the funds. I trust BCB very much so and he had done successful transactions with him. So I know he isn't at fault.  But this is devastating.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Its not illegal.

Don't be so sure it's not illegal, because there is no precedent that shows that bitcoin is not valid consideration in contract law. What is your evidence that it's not illegal?