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October 27, 2018, 06:07:45 PM
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"debunking" a claim I did not make is not a premise.
Are you serious right now??? Explain this...

It is really simple. I never made the claim people will become lazy or not work, you did. Also I asked for your PREMISE, IE your argument. Arguing that an argument I didn't make is not true is not debating.


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I have done a LOT of research on UBI and economics in general and it will have destructive effects long term if not immediately after implementation due to the basic laws of economics and psychology of human motivation mentioned above.

From your responses, I feel like you haven't done shit... I will wait for your sources to prove that humans become lazy/unwilling to work if they are provided with free money. I'm not a big fan of pseudoscience, I would love to see real-world results...

What you feel is irrelevant. I don't have to provide sources to back that premise because I NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM. You have a really difficult time understanding what a premise is don't you?


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BTW, Canada still operates under Capitalism.
Why is it hard for you to grasp the fact that UBI will work under "Capitalism".

If you can't come up with proves to back your claims there is no point in debating this out. I have provided mine, its time you provided yours.

You can't even come up with claims! All you have are straw men logical fallacies. You haven't provided anything. Just to prove a point though...


https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price_inflation.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawofsupply.asp

http://www.preservearticles.com/2011092213870/what-are-the-effects-on-production-of-inflation.html

https://inflationdata.com/articles/2018/03/29/the-effects-of-inflation-and-interest-rates-on-commodity-prices/

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/market-dynamics.asp

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October 27, 2018, 06:48:56 PM
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Oh has it been proven wrong? Please source.

okay, let's begin here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc

The video description has all the sources mentioned. Do check em out Smiley

Found some interesting youtube videos on the subject (warning: no cartoons, goes in dept)

https://youtu.be/FtAYFgsUeis

https://youtu.be/rb1cv9_Y7wg

They are worth watching, I did a lot of research into this discourse, more than a cartoon  Grin Grin (no offence though, I watch this short cartoons as well)

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Why is it hard for you to grasp the fact that UBI will work under "Capitalism".


In my opinion UBI has a difficult time to work out, just for the usual problem, that where there flows money easily, money will be spent easily and that results in inflation. So the money that should help the struggling in the first place is increasing the prices for them as result.

Anyway we can not predict the economic implications of UBI with certainty, like QE should have resulted in more inflation, but actually it did only for certain assets, like real estate in major cities and stock prices. On the other hand the QE example shows clearly, that there are different outcomes with certain money flows. That is also on of the best arguments for decentralized crypto currencies by the way, that a stake holder/investor is safe of forced money flows that eventually will cripple his investment.

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October 27, 2018, 10:44:55 PM
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You can't even come up with claims! All you have are straw men logical fallacies.

Lol, Okay... I am out...
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You can't even come up with claims! All you have are straw men logical fallacies.

Lol, Okay... I am out...

Yeah God forbid I call you out on your logical fallacies and inability to even present a premise to argue. Have fun jerking yourself off over how much you believe you are right. Thanks for playing.

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