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June 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
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jdillon: I'll do a write-up in a week or so if you are interested, but waiting a bit longer isn't a bad idea; the network as a whole is safe right now but there are still a lot of non-upgraded nodes out there.

Thansk! Waiting however long you feel is required is fine by me.
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June 29, 2013, 05:52:54 PM
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Ah, that's who you are. Yeah /ignore
That's exactly what I am talking about.

A guy who fixed a bug in the official bitcoin client, by adding one line of code: a hero who saved the network from an extremely dangerous DoS attack.

A guy who dared to suggest that we should extend the net protocol to be able to prevent similar attacks in a future: a troll /ignore

You guys are just pathetic. Smiley

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June 29, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
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I need to get better at not touching that "show/hide" option... But on IRC yesterday most of the developers put piotr_n on ignore for being an idiot who wouldn't listen to people showing why his idea was stupid and wasting everyones' time instead: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/06/28#l7875194 gmaxwell has the patience of a saint. (or a C++ developer on a slow machine)

Remind me to use the self-moderated threads option more often.


EDIT: I'll also point out how this "one-line-change" DoS attack was something that at least one of the Bitcoin developers knew about but didn't even realize it was an issue: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=31074593 Hopefully the other developers were just keeping their mouth shut and immediately understood how serious that issue was, but obviously it took a bit of insight on Peter's part to realize that the problem existed.

Heck, here's a Bitcoin for your efforts. Thank you!


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June 29, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
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Yeah, gmaxwell's comments yesterday were extremely helpful.  Smiley
But it's not the first time I saw him talking bullshit, so I'm used to this.

@jdillon, you want to use self-moderated threads so nobody could tell you again that your idea is stupid?
way to go, man - that's how smart people solve problems Smiley

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July 01, 2013, 08:36:20 PM
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Proof-of-stake voting is a superb idea.

Its potential is much wider than resolving the specific blocksize limit question. However, I don't believe it is right for Bitcoin. Bitcoin can't adopt major changes easily, if at all.

An altcoin supporting proof-of-stake voting could allow continuous voting on the block reward(inflation rate), transaction fee, awarding bounties, hashing algorithm parameters, etc.

The Bitcoin model has been to have a genius choose all these parameters correctly 5 years ago. That's worked well, but it is inflexible. A proof-of-stake voting model would trust the owners of a currency to modify the parameters as the currency and environment evolved. I trust the owners of a currency to vote in a way that strengthens the currency they own. Owner's interests are perfectly aligned with the long-term success of a currency. I'd like to see an altcoin where the owners decide monetary policy through proof-of-stake voting.

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July 02, 2013, 05:33:43 AM
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Proof-of-stake voting is a superb idea.

Its potential is much wider than resolving the specific blocksize limit question. However, I don't believe it is right for Bitcoin. Bitcoin can't adopt major changes easily, if at all.

An altcoin supporting proof-of-stake voting could allow continuous voting on the block reward(inflation rate), transaction fee, awarding bounties, hashing algorithm parameters, etc.

The Bitcoin model has been to have a genius choose all these parameters correctly 5 years ago. That's worked well, but it is inflexible. A proof-of-stake voting model would trust the owners of a currency to modify the parameters as the currency and environment evolved. I trust the owners of a currency to vote in a way that strengthens the currency they own. Owner's interests are perfectly aligned with the long-term success of a currency. I'd like to see an altcoin where the owners decide monetary policy through proof-of-stake voting.
Ah a man after my own heart. I couldn't agree more.

You should check out the thread on netcoin which is an ambitious plan to implement some of these principles. I'm pretty sure this is going to be an iterative process (e.g.. think of ppcoin as the first several iterations).

In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else. - George Orwell
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