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October 25, 2017, 07:03:23 AM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

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October 25, 2017, 07:12:03 AM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also. And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous? It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT. But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get public. On the exchange and in many other ways. Just keep it in mind

Yes, we already know that in Bitcoin there is no such thing as absolute privacy. Somewhere along the way, the privacy chain can be broken and the transactions can easily be mined and analyzed. As in anything in life, there would always be exemptions to the general rule. Generally, it should be be anonymous maybe if all things are kept in the Bitcoin network in the sense that any transaction may not have your personal identity imprinted on them (however the details of the transactions are there for the public to see) but when the transaction can be involving third-parties then that is why when things can really be so different.

We are living in a connected and wired world where privacy can be shared for all to record, mine, analyze and utilized. Private data can in fact be a billion-dollar business as there are many commercial entities who are interested to get hold of the data for their own business exploitation. One of the reasons why we have cryptocurrency is to precisely limit the encroachment of these data coming from the government and business industry. But as in anything in life, we could not live alone by ourselves so somewhere somehow we have to compromise to also get what we want.

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October 25, 2017, 07:16:46 AM
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The key is to have a sense of security. Even a paper purse without a cold purse is safe. But it's safe for people who use it to protect their passwords and keys, or to record their own pen and paper. There's just one more point. Remember cookie every time you use your wallet
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October 25, 2017, 07:19:37 AM
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Nope, it's pseudonymous. Has degrees of anonymity. Bitcoin transactions are fully transparent but it's not associated or tied to an identity hence it is called pseudonymous. However, law enforcement are somewhat successful tracking down illicit activities (silk road). Even tor is not fully anonymous, any decent hacker is able to track you when you get target.

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October 25, 2017, 07:27:16 AM
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It's not 100% anonymous because it can be tracked and there are some tools to track bitcoin transactions and we have seen that in the past, but there are bitcoin mixer services, where for a small fee you can make your transactions anonymous.

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October 25, 2017, 07:57:32 AM
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anonymous in bitcoin is where the transfer history from one wallet to another wallet will not be detected, it is in my opinion, if anyone has other opinion please quote my submission.

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October 25, 2017, 08:02:22 AM
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BTC is not 100% anonymous (but it may be pretty close to this number) but if you are selling kiddie organs then you better use dashcoin or monero.

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October 25, 2017, 08:06:21 AM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

That's why it's called pseudonymous and not anonymous.
It can be anonymous when you never use an exchange, but due to the fact that the blockchain is publicly available every transaction can be monitored. So if you ever use an exchange your payments can be tracked (or at least part of your transactions).



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October 25, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
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The fact that BTC and its different wallets are secured but the owners are anonymous.
BTC, has many issues, some say it owns by someone and some says it is not own by anybody. We don't know the real issue.
Wallet sites owners keep their identity anonymous because it is for their safe. Less talk less issue about it. 
But, it is really advantage of the anonymity as long as the amount of BTC that is store in wallet is safe.

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October 25, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
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I think the bitcoin addresses are known, so as long as one maintains the privacy of not disclosing their identity with their bitcoin address, one can be anonymous to an extent.
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October 25, 2017, 08:32:56 AM
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No, XMR is really anonymous

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October 25, 2017, 08:47:10 AM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind
Bitcoin is anonymous in the sense that it cannot be linked to the user's identity. It doesn't matter if you use an exchange to buy FIAT or other cryptocurrencies because at that point it's not just about Bitcoin.
However since transactions are public and can be traced, Bitcoin is not 100% anonymous. I guess you can say it is pseudonymous.

A truly anonymous cryptocurrency is Monero. Transactions cannot be linked to each other.

   
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Bitcoin is anonymous, but  blockchain allows you to see all the transactions, which means that you can see the address, but you do not know whose it is)

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October 25, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
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It is - completely. However if you register with an exchange or wallet service that requires you to. It can be linked to that wallet. All the transactions from that wallet can also be followed. So there is a seed planted that can be traced backwards.

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October 25, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
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It is anonymous up until you add personal information that can somehow be linked to your bitcoin wallet or transactions. For example giving personal details to an exchange could lead to your coins being traced from the exchange to wherever you send them and beyond.
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October 25, 2017, 09:25:02 AM
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Firstly, unlike bank accounts and most other payment systems, bitcoin addresses are not tied to the identity of users at the protocol level. Secondly, transactions are also not tied to the identity of users. And thirdly, bitcoins transaction information is transmitted by randomly selected P2P network nodes. It means they are anonymous.

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October 25, 2017, 09:45:43 AM
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Firstly, unlike bank accounts and most other payment systems, bitcoin addresses are not tied to the identity of users at the protocol level. Secondly, transactions are also not tied to the identity of users. And thirdly, bitcoins transaction information is transmitted by randomly selected P2P network nodes. It means they are anonymous.

Addresses and transactions can be tied to the identity of users if they aren't careful. If you send money to an exchange where your documents are on file, your incoming transactions can be traced. If you send money out of such an exchange, your outgoing transactions can be traced. To use BTC anonymously, you can't easily take physical delivery of things, and you can't interact with exchanges with regard to fiat money.

If the BTC economy were self-sustaining, it would be more tenable to not use fiat gateways, but as it stands, it's very difficult to e.g. live off crypto while being entirely anonymous.



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October 25, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
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As has already been said, the bitcoin is not anonymous, but, rather pseudo-anonymous. If you want full privacy using bitcoin, you should use VPN and Tor for every transaction you make, create new address for every transaction, and use bitcoin mixer service. Or if you want a simpler and safer way you can choose monero for that



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October 25, 2017, 09:57:10 AM
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It's as anonymous as you make it. If you are sending your address publicly and then doing public deals then it isn't. If you deal in private then it can be. Everything is public on the blockchain but hides your identity so its up to you to keep it that way.
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

Your private key information will not be shared to anyone from the wallet providers. If you share by your own and sharing wallet.dat will be hackable by the any people. Bitcoin transaction are anoymous anytime because private information will not share whenever you transferring the bitcoin to any concern wallets. Exchangers will comes to know your bank details when you exchange your bitcoin to fiat cash. I have many time trading but none of the people will not looking into share it anyone.

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It is up to the point you get your wallet. Your transactions are open to everyone, so it's only partly anonymous. Despite what people say about it, Bitcoin wasn't really designed to be completely anonymous.
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It's great question.No, bitcoin payments are not anonymous.  Bitcoin payments are pseudonymous.  All bitcoin payments go to bitcoin addresses.  Anybody can create an address.  But bitcoin payments are sometimes referred to as prosecution futures, because they are all public and part of bitcoin's immutable public record called the blockchain.
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

Your private key information will not be shared to anyone from the wallet providers. If you share by your own and sharing wallet.dat will be hackable by the any people. Bitcoin transaction are anoymous anytime because private information will not share whenever you transferring the bitcoin to any concern wallets. Exchangers will comes to know your bank details when you exchange your bitcoin to fiat cash. I have many time trading but none of the people will not looking into share it anyone.

No, your BTC address can be linked to your real identities if you somehow create a BTC address that contains your information. that includes an address that you use to send or receive from exchange or wallets if you want full anonymity you should use mixing service



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October 25, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

Your private key information will not be shared to anyone from the wallet providers. If you share by your own and sharing wallet.dat will be hackable by the any people. Bitcoin transaction are anoymous anytime because private information will not share whenever you transferring the bitcoin to any concern wallets. Exchangers will comes to know your bank details when you exchange your bitcoin to fiat cash. I have many time trading but none of the people will not looking into share it anyone.

No, your BTC address can be linked to your real identities if you somehow create a BTC address that contains your information. that includes an address that you use to send or receive from exchange or wallets if you want full anonymity you should use mixing service

Although mixing services are illegal in most countries so probably not the best idea if your identity is already linked.
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also. And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous? It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT. But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get public. On the exchange and in many other ways. Just keep it in mind

Yes, we already know that in Bitcoin there is no such thing as absolute privacy. Somewhere along the way, the privacy chain can be broken and the transactions can easily be mined and analyzed. As in anything in life, there would always be exemptions to the general rule. Generally, it should be be anonymous maybe if all things are kept in the Bitcoin network in the sense that any transaction may not have your personal identity imprinted on them (however the details of the transactions are there for the public to see) but when the transaction can be involving third-parties then that is why when things can really be so different.

We are living in a connected and wired world where privacy can be shared for all to record, mine, analyze and utilized. Private data can in fact be a billion-dollar business as there are many commercial entities who are interested to get hold of the data for their own business exploitation. One of the reasons why we have cryptocurrency is to precisely limit the encroachment of these data coming from the government and business industry. But as in anything in life, we could not live alone by ourselves so somewhere somehow we have to compromise to also get what we want.

Great point buddy!
I totally agree with you.
COMPROMISE is the key word. You always have to be aware of what you are doing and don't ever think that because you are alone behind your desktop you are absolute alone. You could leave some tracks of yourself and many other can take them along your journey in the internet.
That what is really is. It's fine for me even if I care so much about my privacy - but you have to compromise at your best

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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

Well initially if you have just a wallet, you will be anonymous because there's no name attached in it. However, if you try to exchange and convert it to fiat, then you lost your anonymous because when you open a account you will need to submit pertinent to you identify. And besides, bitcoin is not really anonymous, but pseudo-anonymous. So if you really wants to remain anonymous, they say Monero is the best choice for you, however, I haven't tried it so I can't really say. But for me as long as you don't do anything illegal with your bitcoin, everything will be fine on your end.

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October 27, 2017, 07:29:20 AM
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It can be very anonymous depending how you cashout your BTC.

If you're only holding BTC and not cashing out for fiat, it can remain anonymous. The moment you cashout using any online method such as PayPal, bank transfer, Skrill etc you can be tracked

Now if you want to cashout anonymously the only way I can think of is face to face without involving any banks etc just trading BTC for cash in hand.

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October 27, 2017, 07:39:49 AM
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Nope, it's pseudonymous. Has degrees of anonymity. Bitcoin transactions are fully transparent but it's not associated or tied to an identity hence it is called pseudonymous. However, law enforcement are somewhat successful tracking down illicit activities (silk road). Even tor is not fully anonymous, any decent hacker is able to track you when you get target.

I agree that is pseudonymous but there are cases where a transaction is fully associated with a real identity. The most apparent one is when someone buys or sell things with btc's who is obliged to give his real identity. For this reason there are 'mixing' services
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Guys, what can you say about API if you use the API to get coins on blockchain, there is new wallet at generated transaction, but it sends coins to main address and can be traced anyway. Do I understand the mechanism correctly?

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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind
Yes its absolutely anonymous when you save money in a private key wallet. Because blocks do not bother if you are steve jobs or luxcoin moreover there is no way you can trace the ip address using the wallet addy. Third party wallets are the actual identity disclosers.
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

I think that what made bitcoin popular and very appealing to the users is because that everything is almost secure and encrypted. This is what makes bitcoin into something that is making it like a flame and we are the moths drawn into it.

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The key is to have a sense of security. Even a paper purse without a cold purse is safe. But it's safe for people who use it to protect their passwords and keys, or to record their own pen and paper. There's just one more point. Remember cookie every time you use your wallet
What do you mean cookie every time we use wallet?? Do you mean we have to clear all cookies when we close browser. How about if we use our personal device not public device? Your answer would be appreciate. Thanks

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No,It's not anonymous.Bitcoin is subject to traffic analysis and is not anonymous.

However, there are degrees of anonymity.  The thing about bitcoin is that it takes some effort to figure out who owns what wallet, so it's more anonymous than credit card transactions where you give your identity to the vendor.
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October 28, 2017, 07:55:29 AM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

Well initially if you have just a wallet, you will be anonymous because there's no name attached in it. However, if you try to exchange and convert it to fiat, then you lost your anonymous because when you open a account you will need to submit pertinent to you identify. And besides, bitcoin is not really anonymous, but pseudo-anonymous. So if you really wants to remain anonymous, they say Monero is the best choice for you, however, I haven't tried it so I can't really say. But for me as long as you don't do anything illegal with your bitcoin, everything will be fine on your end.

I go along with your idea. The issue about privacy has always been a great battle to against for me - so that nobody regarding what you are doing with your own money can spy/track/control you in different ways. So I was saying that Cryptocurrency does NOT mean you are free and secure from everyone - so be careful in what you're doing.

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October 28, 2017, 07:59:28 AM
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It can be very anonymous depending how you cashout your BTC.

If you're only holding BTC and not cashing out for fiat, it can remain anonymous. The moment you cashout using any online method such as PayPal, bank transfer, Skrill etc you can be tracked

Now if you want to cashout anonymously the only way I can think of is face to face without involving any banks etc just trading BTC for cash in hand.

Definitely a solution!
I mean you may NOT be a criminal - but if someone can truck your money, he can actually stole it someway. So it has to maintain your privacy and anonymous. Exchange them for cash is a great solution. I hope soon some exchange can offer that possibility, so you do not have to login in the website providing your identity.

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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind
Yes its absolutely anonymous when you save money in a private key wallet. Because blocks do not bother if you are steve jobs or luxcoin moreover there is no way you can trace the ip address using the wallet addy. Third party wallets are the actual identity disclosers.

You are right. As long as you keep that amount in your wallet. And hopefully one day you does not need to exchange them with fiat, but you can actually buy everything with them in every store. So that will be great.

Anyway I see nowadays many people that change their CCs within Exchanges that can hold your identity and track your public key - so it's not rocket science to associate that wallet with some identity

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By itself, bitcoin is not anonymous.

However, there are layers of technology that can be applied to it to help add some measure of anonymity to the transactions.

And of course, there are counter-anon technologies to nullify these.

Look to altcoins for anonymity features. There is no one altcoin that is best for anon. each has its own strengths and weaknesses.

if u were a dubious entity who wishes to use bitcoin to cloak ur transactions, u might actually be calling unwanted attention to said tx. It's like telling people where to look. granted they need to look long and hard, but then they would know where to look.

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Bitcoin is not completely anonymous. Since the data on the implementation of bitcoin transactions are public, you can observe where you send your money, that is, to which purse addresses and what amounts and from what purse addresses and what amounts you receive. Over time, a picture of your connections and their character will appear. If you cash out money somewhere and you need identification, you are fully disclosed and all your money transfers will be documented. Therefore, for investigative bodies there are chances to calculate any anonym under a pseudonym.

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The wallets are truly anonymous because there's no need for any information when we need to register. But bitcoin itself isn't anonymous as we can see the entire transactions through the blockchain network but there's no way to know on whom are the people that are transacting unless you know who are the owners of those bitcoin address but having no idea of who are the owners of it doesn't mean it's fully anonymous.

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November 05, 2017, 01:19:47 AM
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It depends on how you beliefs are but for me Bitcoin is not anonymous because we use blockchain so in that ledger we will see the transaction between person to person. so for me bitcoin is decentralize nor anonymous

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November 05, 2017, 01:54:01 AM
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It depends on how you beliefs are but for me Bitcoin is not anonymous because we use blockchain so in that ledger we will see the transaction between person to person. so for me bitcoin is decentralize nor anonymous
yeah other person can see others transaction  or let we say our transaction. but the point about bitcoin being called  anonymous which is it can hide the identify of person involved on the transaction. What i mean no one know can figure it out who is the owner of wallet address. That's why neither country didn't accept bitcoin because of that reason that bitcoin is truly anonymous and maybe it can make a scenario that can break their laws.


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November 05, 2017, 01:59:23 AM
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If you use Bitcoin as a medium to conduct transactions then Bitcoin is very privacy and anonymously because every transaction we do can not be known to others, our address will show the number of transactions we do but it's all limited to public information and our ID will not is known . it's all different from the conventional BANK that can be tracked who owns it.

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November 05, 2017, 02:09:04 AM
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Once you buy bitcoin the coins is linked to address under your account of the exchange.  

And if you did send large amount to certain account.   You better have a good reason why you did it.   Money is still trace by the very first address.  No way to hide the money from that point.

If you mined the coins yourself.  It's possible to be anonymous.   As long you never link your IP address or your name to that specific mining address.  Have the client hide behind the VPN and tor.

If you buy the BTC in person with cash.   Both sides must not give out the real name during the transaction.   Huge disadvantage is you might give the cash to the wrong person even with username unless you find a way to secure the message without being intercepted.
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November 07, 2017, 09:03:57 AM
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Bitcoin is not completely anonymous. Since the data on the implementation of bitcoin transactions are public, you can observe where you send your money, that is, to which purse addresses and what amounts and from what purse addresses and what amounts you receive. Over time, a picture of your connections and their character will appear. If you cash out money somewhere and you need identification, you are fully disclosed and all your money transfers will be documented. Therefore, for investigative bodies there are chances to calculate any anonym under a pseudonym.

Great point buddy.
Because the blockchain itself is public everyone could access to it - even the Gov and its police. So they can track your identity when you cash out, and you will sooner or later.
So the hackers the have been blocking other computer with "wanna-cry" crypto-locker asking BTC to unlock it have the minutes counted ?

I don't think it's that easy anyway even if I see some company that are willing to create a software for getting someone your identity...

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November 07, 2017, 09:10:08 AM
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It depends on how you beliefs are but for me Bitcoin is not anonymous because we use blockchain so in that ledger we will see the transaction between person to person. so for me bitcoin is decentralize nor anonymous
yeah other person can see others transaction  or let we say our transaction. but the point about bitcoin being called  anonymous which is it can hide the identify of person involved on the transaction. What i mean no one know can figure it out who is the owner of wallet address. That's why neither country didn't accept bitcoin because of that reason that bitcoin is truly anonymous and maybe it can make a scenario that can break their laws.

You got the point.
The local government have always been scared about anonymously because they cannot control it preventing for example fraud by not paying taxes or other illegal stuff.
But more and more people, even if they are truly good person are realising that being anonymous is great anyway. Because they does not need to hide something it does not mean the can be spied and tracked by other agency - and so everyone must do what they really wants with their money.

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November 07, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
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Once you buy bitcoin the coins is linked to address under your account of the exchange.  

And if you did send large amount to certain account.   You better have a good reason why you did it.   Money is still trace by the very first address.  No way to hide the money from that point.

If you mined the coins yourself.  It's possible to be anonymous.   As long you never link your IP address or your name to that specific mining address.  Have the client hide behind the VPN and tor.

If you buy the BTC in person with cash.   Both sides must not give out the real name during the transaction.   Huge disadvantage is you might give the cash to the wrong person even with username unless you find a way to secure the message without being intercepted.

yes, the only way to be truly anonymous is pay and be paid with cash in exchange for BTC personally by hands.
And this is I think it's all against what Satoshi thought - to create a digital currency to be used. Because if we pay with BTC for example in a e-commerce we have to gave them some of our personal identity to receive the goods - even if we chose to take it from lockers.

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November 07, 2017, 09:36:34 AM
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yes, the only way to be truly anonymous is pay and be paid with cash in exchange for BTC personally by hands.
Is it though? In order to make such a meeting you need to use a phone, text messages, a public place. Basically with every step of finding and successfully meeting with a person face to face you lose at least some part of the "anonymity" if not all.
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November 08, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
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I think so. Creating an account in bitcoin is very easy and asks for only a few information. Yes, all our transactions will be logged and everyone can monitor it but it does not mean that they can track every transactions every people make. Only the address will be tracked but not the identity of the person transacting. Transactions in bitcoin is more anonymous than any other form of online transactions where government can penetrate through their system.

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November 08, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
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Yup. Bitcoin is completely anonymous and nobody can investigate us if Bitcoin deals. If the market is recognized by the government, then Bitcoin will be a good way to keep money or send money anywhere.

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November 08, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
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Bitcoin is only psuedo anonymous unlike altcoins like Monero,Zcash.Its true that all transactions are registered in a public ledger.But our transactions are unknown to any one unless we reveal our transaction publicly.

Only if we fill the KYC details when we open an account in an exchange,government could trace our transactions.If you are still concerned about your privacy in using bitcoins,then you could use any of the bitcoin mixing services to  hide your identity.

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November 08, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

why shouldnt there be ways to exchange CC's anonymously? For example using vpn and fake names on markets, or rty exchange in private on forums?
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November 08, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

It's not that anonymus if you compare bitcoin with Monero. Monero is totally anonymus and your transfers are not visible for other people. In bitcoin, there is no name in the transactions but people know that you send the amount, if they know your wallet address.

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November 08, 2017, 05:16:29 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

It's not that anonymus if you compare bitcoin with Monero. Monero is totally anonymus and your transfers are not visible for other people. In bitcoin, there is no name in the transactions but people know that you send the amount, if they know your wallet address.

I have heard a little about non-animal in some countries, but this phenomenon is not common. In every well-developed country Bitcoin is anonymous and you have nothing to worry about.

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November 08, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
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Bitcoin isn't anonymous at all. If you aren't careful then it will be easy to track you and discover your real identity. There are plenty of ways to stay anonymous: make transactions only through TOR network (in case you don't want any node to know your real IP address), use mixing services and use only fake accounts on the exchanges so they can't be associated with your real name (probably it is illegal).

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November 08, 2017, 06:57:03 PM
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For me it is. If you use the tails operating system together with a few other tools like tor browser you can become almost invisible. Even if you use bitcoin in normal operating systems like windows still it is anonymous. People can look in the blockchain ledger where funds have gone but cannot correlate between that and your real identity. To be sure use the tails operating system if you are in countries where the government is tracking a lot of your online activities.




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November 08, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
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As long as you don't exchange it into real funds it remains anonymous, but as soon as you exchange it for dollars or euros you become known unless you print it out and sell it on the street for the cold hard cash. Also every move of BTC from wallet to wallet gets logged, so any amount of BTC can be traced back to how far they want to check. But since on a backtrace the BTC splits into zillions of other wallets, you'll get a treebranch format the further you go, meaning more work to find out the origin. Untill the US government does not get the option to be able to freeze any wallet adress as they see fit, BTC can be moved anonymously. I wonder how long it will take before the US will get that option after having seized tons of BTCs from raiding one darkweb after another.

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November 08, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
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Unfortunately, Bitcoin isn't completely anonymous. However, if you take proper steps there is a high chance that nobody will be able to discover your real identity. The best thing about Bitcoin is that you don't have to go to bank and sign a lot of papers to get a new account. You can generate a new address even on a device which is not connected to the internet.

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November 08, 2017, 10:16:15 PM
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For me it is. If you use the tails operating system together with a few other tools like tor browser you can become almost invisible. Even if you use bitcoin in normal operating systems like windows still it is anonymous. People can look in the blockchain ledger where funds have gone but cannot correlate between that and your real identity. To be sure use the tails operating system if you are in countries where the government is tracking a lot of your online activities.

It doesn't matter what you use. If you withdraw funds from an exchange or whatever service, your information is tied to these coins. From that point they can basically follow every step you set, and that without any actual effort. You'll need to mix your coins in order to gain more privacy, but then still you will not achieve total anonymity. One way or another, you can and likely will get traced with such a way of thinking, especially if there is any particular reason for someone to do so. We have to accept that Bitcoin on its own will not offer us any useful level of anonymity, which is why there are mixers to provide us that extra layer of privacy.

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November 10, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
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Somehow, you can and likely will get followed with such a mindset, particularly if there is a specific purpose behind somebody to do as such. We need to acknowledge that Bitcoin all alone won't offer us any valuable level of obscurity, which is the reason there are blenders to give us that additional layer of security. Grin Grin

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November 10, 2017, 06:43:26 PM
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Some wallet give you more than 1 address   +1 for anonymous

no one can track you ip   +1 for anonymous

no one can see your password   +1 for anonymous

hackers use it and trust on it   other +1 for anonymous
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November 10, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
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You have to be concern about your security.bitcoin is fun.as nobody here can know the real identity of yours

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November 10, 2017, 06:57:41 PM
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Not at all because there is an alpha numerical ID for every bitcoin account and a ledger. Because of these two things you can never be 100% fully anon. The best you can do is be semi-anon. And this is why privacy coins like Dash, Monero, DeepOnion, and more will crush moving forward imho.
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November 10, 2017, 07:19:28 PM
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Yes, BTC is really anonymous. They can know your wallet address, but they can't know who owns it. You are still safe.

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November 10, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind

When one converts Bitcoin into local currency it is definite that transactions will come under the eyes of government but one invested money over Bitcoin and then transactions are made it will be completely annomoyus. Also if shopkeeper or online sites start accepting Bitcoin then transactions will be untracked.

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November 10, 2017, 07:58:23 PM
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Yes, BTC is really anonymous. They can know your wallet address, but they can't know who owns it. You are still safe.
Not really. You seem to know less about bitcoin. It is actually pseudonymous. Your transactions can be linked back to you and all wallets you own. Just google "pseudonymous bitcoin" and you will get to know what it means.


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November 10, 2017, 11:55:11 PM
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Everyone can create an wallet in a snap of course without giving any identity also.

And the transaction is secure, encrypted and whatever, BUT are your wallet truly anonymous?

It has a private password and that’s ok when you keep all the BTC in there . I mean IN and OUT.
But when you want to change your BTC with other CCs that’s where you can get pubblic. On the exchange and in many other ways.

Just keep it in mind
Bitcoin is definitely anonymous because the creator is undefined and can be recognized and it is very secure for the transaction. If your wallet is secure ? I think some wallet is not legit and some are legit and secure.

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November 11, 2017, 12:13:11 AM
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Bitcoin is anonymous to a degree.

You do not have to use your credit or debit cards to purchase Bitcoin, you can complete cash transactions via meet ups or Bitcoin ATM's and at that point there is no tie to your bank accounts. However, Bitcoin is really only pseudonymous. You use an alter ego, or a pseudonym, in order to complete transactions and move BTC. However, every coin carries with it a history as it moves through the blockchain. Sooner or later, if needed, that coins history can be traced back to certain accounts and transactions which are called into question. There are other coins that use a technique called "mixing" which essentially erases each coins history, and those coins are anonymous.

So, in conclusion, yes, Bitcoin is anonymous, but be careful, Bitcoin's level of anonymity is by no means invincibility.

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it is pseudonymous, if you want true anonymity, use monero !
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November 11, 2017, 01:07:13 AM
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Bitcoin is not a full anonymous. It only makes you anonymous if you don't want to be exposed to the person that you are transacting with but it is not full anonymous because the record of your transactions are in the blockchain which can be seen by everyone so i think that it is not really anonymous but there are coins that are full anonymous like monero.

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yes, the only way to be truly anonymous is pay and be paid with cash in exchange for BTC personally by hands.
Is it though? In order to make such a meeting you need to use a phone, text messages, a public place. Basically with every step of finding and successfully meeting with a person face to face you lose at least some part of the "anonymity" if not all.
Yes obviously coins are anonymous because whenever we buy and sell in terms of this digital currency any type of personal information regarding the holder is not required at all. However perfection in terms of anonymity cannot be achieved via bitcoins.

So no one can completely declare it as anonymous because it is somewhat pseudonymous. We all know that any type of exchange is not traceable and hence it provides a greater level of security to the consumers.




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November 13, 2017, 07:57:05 AM
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Yes, BTC is really anonymous. They can know your wallet address, but they can't know who owns it. You are still safe.

I guess you didn't read this thread, maybe even never read anything deep about bitcoin, because it's nonsense what you describe.

It is pseudonymous, as already mentioned several times. Only when you buy and change it with cash and use it for buying/selling things without ever given your identity it will be very hard to link you to your account, but as soon as any of them changes (you bought or sold using your bankaccount, you bought things send to your home) nothing is anonymous.
And even when you take those precautions, parts of your transactions can be linked to your IP account. And because blockchain is publicly available, one link immediately shows all links.


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November 13, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
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yes, the only way to be truly anonymous is pay and be paid with cash in exchange for BTC personally by hands.
Is it though? In order to make such a meeting you need to use a phone, text messages, a public place. Basically with every step of finding and successfully meeting with a person face to face you lose at least some part of the "anonymity" if not all.

You are quite right, unless you use it the anonymous tool such as encrypted ( REAL ) P2P you are free to revel to anyone what you are doing.
I mean bypassing exchanges you can be truly anonymous.

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Bitcoin is only psuedo anonymous unlike altcoins like Monero,Zcash.Its true that all transactions are registered in a public ledger.But our transactions are unknown to any one unless we reveal our transaction publicly.

Only if we fill the KYC details when we open an account in an exchange,government could trace our transactions.If you are still concerned about your privacy in using bitcoins,then you could use any of the bitcoin mixing services to  hide your identity.

You are right.
Even if you use mixing services someone they can truck you down. i mean if someone discover the way of their algorithm they can go reverse and find where you store your funds and in this way they can know who you actually are.

In this way every amount you have is no more anonymous  Angry

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November 13, 2017, 09:49:33 AM
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Bitcoin isn't anonymous at all. If you aren't careful then it will be easy to track you and discover your real identity. There are plenty of ways to stay anonymous: make transactions only through TOR network (in case you don't want any node to know your real IP address), use mixing services and use only fake accounts on the exchanges so they can't be associated with your real name (probably it is illegal).

Definitely illegal  Cheesy Cheesy
I mean more and more exchanges nowadays have to obtain you prove of identity so you can not mess it if you want to buy or sell cryptocurrencies on their website.
So it isn't a big dealer those who have the database account of the exchanges to discover who you really are, and how money you have trade/have/sell and do whatever they want to do with that information.

You see, the point here is not protect anyone who makes bad thing but everyone from being potentially persecuted.

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November 13, 2017, 09:50:49 AM
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Actually in your initial example...

It means that exchanging btc for another currency may oblige you to show in person.

This rather means that currencies other than btc are not anonymous, isn't it?  Roll Eyes

And in fact there are dedicated websites that allow you to exchange btc for other currency without showing up in person. "You" remain a wallet, a succession of caracters and numbers. Not so personal, is it?

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