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November 01, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
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November 01, 2017, 08:38:07 PM
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Sure - you can try to hit them with standard fraud charges/lawsuit like any other Internet site that defrauds folks - but proof is a lot more difficult when "the net" in involved.

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November 01, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
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If you can find a private investigator or someone who can get information on people, there's a chance you can track them down. Kevin Mitnick who is known to be one of the "most experienced" hackers in history worked as a PI for a time.

There is a question of whether information acquired without going through the legal process can be used in a court of law. Depending on how much was stolen, the best method could be to offer a bounty on a percentage of funds that are recovered. Like say if someone steals $20,000. A bounty could be offered for 10% of whatever is recovered. If $20,000 is recovered the person might be paid $2,000 of that. If nothing is recovered they don't get paid anything.

Lawyers work on that basis sometimes with financial cases where a good amount of money is at stake with no guarantee of it being retrieved. Its a good format to ensure that the only people who take the job are the ones who are confident they will be successful.

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November 02, 2017, 02:56:39 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
Scammers are committing a crime so they are liable to be charged in almost any jurisdiction, the problem is going to be to put an identity behind the crimes, you will need to make a research and try to find clues yourself, while there is probably a cyber crime unit in your country most of the time they concentrate in crimes that can harm people, like drugs, so you may not find a lot of support from them if the only thing you lost was some money.


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November 02, 2017, 05:17:12 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Yes but itís hard than any ordinary cases in a real word regarding scamming as the user might used anonymity tools to hide or used other bitcoin users information to be the pawn. But itís better to asked legal experts that Iíve even know that theyíre are making threads on Legal Section that you asked for advices at this matter.

This might not sounds good ďprevention is better than cureĒ, so take necessary step to avoid this kind of unfortunate crimes and to be careful.
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November 02, 2017, 05:18:59 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
Scamming is illegal thing that has a law for that people who commit a scam/crime some other people but its hard to distinguish who are beyond of the site who are do scamming specially here in bitcoin all information the users was hide or private. But there are some online transaction was getting caught and they are punished by the law hoping that in the future illegal things like scamming will be gone to make all people are being happy transacting online.

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November 02, 2017, 05:30:39 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

There's a way but it's not going to be an easy journey finding out the real identity of those scammers. Are you referring to those HYIP's, doublers? You can use whois them and find the real identity of the people behind their domain. And once you find it out, you can suit them with any illegal charges and if you are lucky that they are living in a country that supports or does have law against cyber scams they'll be in jail.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I would say that this stuff would really be nearly impossible since scammers are using bitcoin we cant directly point out whose the one behind on that wallet address.If you are really serious on tracing them then hire your own investigator just like been said above and do the job on tracing but i would bet that he would really have a hard time on tracing out.This is why bitcoin is the best way to scam people because of its anonymity feature.

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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

You can sue them up if you find on who are the person behind on those scam programs, but I don't see anyone has been sued yet since its near to impossible to track them up since bitcoins are anonymous and people can hide their identity easily on online scene.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

If you want to file charges to those who you suspects cheating in the bitcoin industry then you should backed it up with evidence. I think they can be categorize under the cyber crime since the activities were done in the internet or online. But it would be difficult to track them since they would think ahead of it and already planned some countermeasures before they do such things.
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May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.

Even if so, it will still be a near-impossible task to actually make the scammer pay for its malicious deeds. If you report anything having to do with being scammed on internet (doesn't even need to be crypto related), it's most of the times a waste of time since police departments don't tend to take anything seriously, the government itself is severely lagging behind in terms of IT, etc. It's not for nothing that internet scammers till this day still have more or less enough free space to operate in. It has even gone so far, that people don't even tend to report anything anymore when it comes to relatively smaller amounts, because it results most of the times in absolutely nothing. It's sad if you think about it, but that's the reality unfortunately.

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Yes, you can report scam sites to FBI and maybe they can do something about it but it is long shot.
Or if you have information about who they are you can put legal charges against them, and frankly that is impossible in most cases because you probably won't find any information about them.

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In some countries it's illegal to invest in HYIP and Ponzi schemes, everyone can be arrested: investors, owners, promoters... If you have enough proof about someone you can tell the authorities. Anyway it's a hard task as scammers use fake names, addresses and even countries. In other situations the criminals find gaps on the laws that help them to avoid the punishment, like saying these scam schemes are mutual donation programs.

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Its a cyber crime.I think that its very hard to take actions against such internet scammers since its very hard to find their identity.Even bitcoin which is pseudo anonymous has made it more difficult to find scammers.

We even recently saw Wannacry ramsomware issue,but still now the culprit has not been identified or punished.

Bitcoin not legalized or regulated in many countries would make it much more difficult to solve this issue.

Bitcoin being a decentralized currency has no central authority to take actions against bitcoin cheaters.

Bitcoin users should be more careful about their wallets,new websites and new offers.

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Even there is a law against bitcoin cheaters or scammers, we can't take a legal action on it because it is hard to identify who is that person  since the information you can get is not real because scammer always use different identity. And it is also difficult to get an evidence to prove the allegations. We just be very careful so that we will not become a victim of those scammers.

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These scammers are most probably hiding behind proxies and using stolen Wi-Fi and registered domains with fake

documents. It is not easy to find them and even if you do, they might be operating on the other side of the world. I exposed

a scam in the Ukraine once and communicating with law enforcement on that side, were very difficult. {Language barrier}

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Yes you can file lawsuit against scammer. The problem is having a strong evidence to file against them because if not your filed case will be nothing. Scammers are hiding their identity using VPN and some app to become anonymous. Remember that we are in online and  bitcoin is for anonymity transaction. It is hard to determined who are the real scammers.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Yes you can file lawsuit against scammer. The problem is having a strong evidence to file against them because if not your filed case will be nothing. Scammers are hiding their identity using VPN and some app to become anonymous. Remember that we are in online and  bitcoin is for anonymity transaction. It is hard to determined who are the real scammers.
This is how its just like to have some pointless actions if you did try to make such step because they wont really easily believe you if you don't have proper or enough evidence into a certain scammer which isn't know yet. You cant just give them a bitcoin address since it wont really be a valid thing.This is why bitcoin is a good vessel to scam people because of its untraceable behavior if you can able to trace out then your lucky but most of the time I do strongly believe and I'm 100% sure that you will surely fail. This is why once your coins are gone then don't hope that you would able to recover it back.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Yes you can file lawsuit against scammer. The problem is having a strong evidence to file against them because if not your filed case will be nothing. Scammers are hiding their identity using VPN and some app to become anonymous. Remember that we are in online and  bitcoin is for anonymity transaction. It is hard to determined who are the real scammers.

But where you can complain about the scammers who is cheating since bitcoin and all altcoins being a decentralized currencies to use we cannot do anything with the scammers and hackers who are attacking the wallet.
Since static IP address can tracked the network line with the DORA process. That is not a big matter to find the people who using it and find the real static IP. If you check the people who using vpn plugs that will some companies IP usually.

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By the way, for those interested in going the legal route on this. In the USA last I heard the minimum requirement to have the FBI be involved is a minimum $15,000 in damages. The FBI and other IT cybercrime units are so backlogged with work I don't think they bother with cases under $50,000 to $100,000 in damages. More than 80% of businesses with an internet presence are breached. A good percentage of the time its an inside job. If its not an inside job the crime is often committed by someone living in a country that does not extradite nor cooperate with law enforcement of foreign nations. This makes it virtually impossible for them to be held accountable from a legal standpoint.

The success rate in recovering stolen funds through legal means is probably exceedingly low. Part of the issue is high cost of lawyer fees and other liabilities a person must take on to prosecute a case. I would be interested to know if anyone has successfully taken action against scammers. I remember there being scammers like "Moriarty" who were known on this forum who never seemed to be brought to justice.

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I think all countries has a law for the scammers, here in my country many agencies are caught by doing scamming people and their business was forcing to closed and the owner got in jail. But in bitcoin there is no news yet that theres scammer got personally caught because bitcoin transaction is not yet tracable.

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Of course you can charge that site with for scamming or fraud there are lots of bitcoin  like that and most of them is cloud mining and hyip this are types of ponzi schemes the question is how to get an evidence in order to report that site. The solution is invest first a little amount of money of thst site and documents everything you do and present as proof when the site turns scam.






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All countries in this world have laws against cheating that makes it illegal and you can of course take legal action if you were cheaten at a website. But your problem is that most of the bitcoin website cheaters operate anonymous and while you can also file a complaint against anonymous persons, in most cases this will simply not lead to anything!

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All countries in this world have laws against cheating that makes it illegal and you can of course take legal action if you were cheaten at a website. But your problem is that most of the bitcoin website cheaters operate anonymous and while you can also file a complaint against anonymous persons, in most cases this will simply not lead to anything!

That's true we can't take any action on the hackers and scammers because they know how to hide in the internet and the IP addresses of them also cannot be traced so if we complain also there is no use with that.So we have to take care of our money.So be aware of who you are paying make sure he is a trustworthy person,and in trades only trade with who use an escrow service because they are responsible for our bitcoin.Don't get cheated by the scammers there are many websites on the internet which most of them are scams so don't get attracted by the big offers.
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Who can accuse them here in forum and for those bitcoin cheaters. In what way or source did they cheated? If bitcoin is known to your country, you can still ask someone from the cyber crime division of the police or you can directly go with the FBI. But only those serious cases they will be taking on action.

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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.
I have always heard that scammers using BTC can be traced. Though someone once asked me what if they are making use of a VPN Security to hide their location and everything about them would it be possible to trace them? I still said YES, cause according to the stories Iíve heard they were caught by tracing the BTC address they used to carry out the operation. But if thatís not the way itís been done, I believe experts has their ways of dealing with these kind of things.

    

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Have you seen a needle in a garden?, thatís how hard to find someone making crimes in the internet(depends on what kind of scammers) because theyíre are two kinds, the amateur (the wannabe hackers) and the professional (hackers/anonymous). But before tackling that the most important thing to do is avoiding them. The wannabes are the most easy to trace and can be lure to come out. But if that are the professionals, there is 50% chance of solving it but you need a much level professionals than the scammers to track him.
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Yes we can take action, But it is not that easy to find Proof, Court will only justify if the evidence is correct and is Proven. Cheaters are always Their to harm and scam people. They are Known as Greedy Person.
Taking Legal action also Needs legal Evidence and if they are Guilty plea. and most Important is to trace cheaters where is there Location and Identity must be known. The only Problem is their anonymity.

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I think you can. I remember there was a thread in the Legal section, he claims to be a bitcoin attorney, maybe you can ask him,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1724798.0

There are already several discussions on that thread, maybe you can chime in or read the whole thread because it can be helpful to you if you really wants to pursue those scammers. However, I think it really depends on how much money the scammers took from you, if you think its really worth to chase them so by all means, get your money back and hire some online detectives and a attorney.

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Apart from being cautious with our BTC we must take into account that if we want to punish these scammers, we can not be governed by centralized laws, since we are talking about a decentralized and global system, and therefore, the same network of cryptocurrencies should take their own laws and sanctions; It is something that should be implemented not only in each web page, but throughout the web, have sites to report these scammers and proceed to perform the relevant actions.
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Yes you can as long as your country has the suitable laws and charges. The only problem is proof as one of the members said it is difficult to obtain proof of the crime since it involves the net unless that your are good with hacking and also that is a crime is some.

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I'd like to ask:  Was any action taken against Master-P for that big scam that he pulled?  If any legal action was ever going to be taken against a scammer, it would be him.  And to the best of my recollection, he wasn't prosecuted for anything. 

I got scammed out of 0.3BTC last year and let it go.  Not many people pursue scammers, unfortunately, but I'm not of the belief that nothing can be done.  It's just that it takes a lot of work, and cyberscamming, I suppose, is hard to prosecute.  But if the scam is big enough, they sure as hell are going to get caught.  Remember Trendon Shavers and that big BST scam?  He went to jail for that, as did Mark Karepeles for the Mt. Gox disaster.  But these little scams?  Nah, those assholes all get away with it scot-free.

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Yes, there is legal action against fraudsters. Every field has scammers, bitcoins too. They are more sophisticated tricks because this is a high value currency. Everyone wants to own a BTC. Bitcoin helps us to enrich and change your life.

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I'd like to ask:  Was any action taken against Master-P for that big scam that he pulled?  If any legal action was ever going to be taken against a scammer, it would be him.  And to the best of my recollection, he wasn't prosecuted for anything. 

I got scammed out of 0.3BTC last year and let it go.  Not many people pursue scammers, unfortunately, but I'm not of the belief that nothing can be done.  It's just that it takes a lot of work, and cyberscamming, I suppose, is hard to prosecute.  But if the scam is big enough, they sure as hell are going to get caught.  Remember Trendon Shavers and that big BST scam?  He went to jail for that, as did Mark Karepeles for the Mt. Gox disaster.  But these little scams?  Nah, those assholes all get away with it scot-free.
For Millions amounts then it is possible for government to take action just like on what you are telling here about those past big time scams.They are able to be traced out.I dont know actually on how they did it but presuming that we can really take legal actions but for small time scams then they wont really waste up their effort.

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one of the most advantages of bitcoin is hide your id , same reason will be disadvantages when you scammed so that you must be smart and deal with know sites , be away from users that focus on high price for short time ,you also can use trusted escrow before and unknown deals  "Prevention is better than cure"

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one of the most advantages of bitcoin is hide your id , same reason will be disadvantages when you scammed so that you must be smart and deal with know sites , be away from users that focus on high price for short time ,you also can use trusted escrow before and unknown deals  "Prevention is better than cure"

If you owned the signed message of your address your means you will able to ban that bitcointalk account here in this forum apart from that nothing you can do for the cheaters and scammer who are shoot up your bitcoin from your wallet and scam you in your trade.
If bitcoin regulates by the financial system then you will be able to make bitcoin transaction with the pipeline. Now all the wallets change the dynamic wallet address so identifying the btc is harder than before now.

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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.
I have always heard that scammers using BTC can be traced. Though someone once asked me what if they are making use of a VPN Security to hide their location and everything about them would it be possible to trace them? I still said YES, cause according to the stories Iíve heard they were caught by tracing the BTC address they used to carry out the operation. But if thatís not the way itís been done, I believe experts has their ways of dealing with these kind of things.
I read a lot of scams in the scam accusations section here on this forum and most victims are not able to find the scammers or do not know what to do and ask for help in the forum. I would be very surprised if most bitcoin scammers can be traced as they can simply use bitcoin mix services and VPNs!

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I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink
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Yes its possible and suing them will be a long way to do because they might be domiciled in another country and the cost of suing with the legal charges might even outweigh the damages you seek to claim. Instead of going the long route, the best is just to dentify where they are licensed, if its a legit site and take the following steps;

1. Write to their support to let them know your intention to go through the next step. If they didnt not respond, then move to step 2

2. Write a strong worded email to the licensing body and attach all correspondence that happened in step 1 and every other evidence that you have to show you have been cheated.

3. Wait for someone to fight your case for you. If response is not forthcoming, write another mail and copy every organisation that have to do with international activities then go to Twitter to call them out...

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I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.

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I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

There is no control to takes part on the bitcoin users if they do any scam or cheating works. You have to check the moderators if you find issues from the forum people. For transaction related issues we cannot do anything still we are working in the decentralized currency.
If centralized that's e have to face many regulation issues and we may taxed to using btc may be.

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How do you want to even get these guys in the first place? Most of them know how to cover their tracks and a scammer would be so stupid enough to let you know his or her real identity when he or she knows the plan of defrauding has been his plan in the first place.

If anyone is greedy enough to fall for a site that no one is showing himself to be responsible for their funds, then they should be the ones to be blamed and there is no amount of lawsuit you can file except you know the person behind the scheme.


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November 07, 2017, 11:41:36 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
How do you want to even get these guys in the first place? Most of them know how to cover their tracks and a scammer would be so stupid enough to let you know his or her real identity when he or she knows the plan of defrauding has been his plan in the first place.

If anyone is greedy enough to fall for a site that no one is showing himself to be responsible for their funds, then they should be the ones to be blamed and there is no amount of lawsuit you can file except you know the person behind the scheme.
Yes bitcoin cheaters were need to punish, but the questions is how can you do this? Because even how many people cheat in bitcoin it's hard to define those people do that.
For example some people tricks in gambling do you have idea how they caught them? Also those people who have multiple accounts in bitcoin talk, do we define whose that people? It's hard to accused people especially if they have lack of evidences.

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November 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
It means legalization of bitcoin in your country is allowed? because in our country since bitcoin are not totally legalize, even you hacked or scammed if you have no proofs shown in the court. The judge will not go on your side, also if you have a little people and no influence justice is not going on your side too.

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November 07, 2017, 04:21:36 PM
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The value of Bitcoin is so high. Scammers always want to flatt. In this respect you should more conscious from scammer to prevent your money. Scamming is illegal in everywhere but scammer is increasing day by day in all over the world. So be careful from them.

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November 07, 2017, 05:45:12 PM
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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.
It would be an impossible task even for experts. If it was that easy, most of them would have been nabbed a long time ago.

They know how to hide themselves from the public and since it has been in their blood to always scam, they would have studied how to always stay anonymous, no matter the trick anyone wants to use and that is what bothers me, if they can use all that time to always plan schemes like this, why can't they use it to do something better?

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November 08, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
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There are so many cases in digital world that are victims of scams, and fraud, but i don't hear somebody recovers all their stolen money. This is a big threat in bitcoins business. Because all of the victims has no assurance for recovery and to avoid the same scenario. We should be cautious in transacting huge amount of money.. Never entrust your account to anybody. Or visit unprotected sites.

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FBI was looking for some realy bad scammers. But still hard to define who the exact responsible person....
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To me in such scenarios taking a legal action requires a strong and proof evidence.. and do we know the IP's of those scammers because it's really a big threat (inevitable) to bitcoin, because is very difficult to recover all stolen coin and this will make people to self conscious.

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November 08, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

If you are talking about here in the forum they made a scam sites and cheated others many times in different transactions, the only we could about it is give them Red trust, that's all I know, then scam accusations.

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November 09, 2017, 05:53:56 AM
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No,we can't take any actions about the cheaters and scammers because the bitcoin transaction is fully anonymous so we can't trace where it is happening and the cheaters knows how to hide their IP address which is important to take actions on cyber crimes.So we have to careful with our trades and we are responsible for our money.

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November 09, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
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In my country the possibility is there, but if we go for a legal action against particular person we too will be endangered. While investigating we cannot answer as we're not sure about the identity who has cheated us. Also we cannot show any proof of records, and one case has been filed based on the debt that's been exchanged between users creating problem because of the price variation.


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November 09, 2017, 11:47:51 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

As far as i know that we cannot take legal action against bitcoin cheater as long as cryptocurrency is not regulated by our government.co'z first we do not know the identity of that person,second we cannot show a proof of evidence that we been scam to an illegal investment.

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November 09, 2017, 11:57:36 AM
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No,we can't take any actions about the cheaters and scammers because the bitcoin transaction is fully anonymous so we can't trace where it is happening and the cheaters knows how to hide their IP address which is important to take actions on cyber crimes.So we have to careful with our trades and we are responsible for our money.

Bitcoin is not fully anonymous so if you don't know how to properly use it, one mistake can give someone hints regarding your transaction and might eventually trace you.
Did you know that coinbase helped the authorities tracked the alleged founder of kickass torrents? Apparently, It was discovered that one of their donation address is on coinbase.

If you are talking about here in the forum they made a scam sites and cheated others many times in different transactions, the only we could about it is give them Red trust, that's all I know, then scam accusations.

We're talking about legal action here so the forum's trust system is not enough to be able to raise something like that. Furthermore not all scammers has an account here as well as its impossible for us to confirm if a certain account really belongs to them. An account here doesn't matter if they're earning huge sums of money for scamming.

In my country the possibility is there, but if we go for a legal action against particular person we too will be endangered. While investigating we cannot answer as we're not sure about the identity who has cheated us. Also we cannot show any proof of records, and one case has been filed based on the debt that's been exchanged between users creating problem because of the price variation.

The possibility is there but its honestly plainly low because:
1. Most local authorities doesn't even know cryptocurrencies the odds are they will not give a single care
2. Who will investigate it? How will they even trace it? Even if they pass it on FBI, the case should be huge enough for them to make a significant action.
3. Investigation will take a lot of time probably a few years or more and it doesn't guarantee a good outcome

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November 09, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
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In my country the possibility is there, but if we go for a legal action against particular person we too will be endangered. While investigating we cannot answer as we're not sure about the identity who has cheated us. Also we cannot show any proof of records, and one case has been filed based on the debt that's been exchanged between users creating problem because of the price variation.

In what country do you live? If people can take action through bitcoin cheaters, hackers and other criminals on the web. There is no single news about the stolen bitcoins from bitfinex and other exchange that has been hack. But with piracy there's a big support from the government and when it comes to bitcoin, forget about it since there's no information involved.



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November 10, 2017, 04:43:45 AM
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Cryptal Coin is not protected by law. Most country has not sepcify law for this area.
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I think after a long time and if bitcoin becomes popular to the entire world, cheaters and plunders can be jailed.
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November 10, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

As far as i know that we cannot take legal action against bitcoin cheater as long as cryptocurrency is not regulated by our government.co'z first we do not know the identity of that person,second we cannot show a proof of evidence that we been scam to an illegal investment.
Don't expect since bitcoin cant really be directly regulated by the government the only thing that they can able to regulate those things which are involve on it. Like exchanges,merchants and other business related to bitcoin this is why criminality would really be always on bitcoin because it is the perfect tool to execute wrong doings like scams and fraud because they know that they cant be easily be traced up.



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November 10, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
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If you are willing to spend that much to hire professionals then yes, you can start by finding a good lawyer and from there they will advice you what to do and tell you how much you will be spending. If the payment to hire for this professionals is greater than the award or money you lost on the scam site don't bother. Just think of it as a donation to the scammer's family when karma hits them.
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The sad truth is only those with the capacity to pay an investigator or just have a better lawyer have the time to sue this scamers,

Good thing is theinternet if full of information to how to check websites security or to just track websites that offer high yield investment return

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It can be done in two cases,first if the government see bitcoin as a currency , currently limited to few countries .so then you can hire lawyer and take bitcoin as capital gain asset claims.second if you know the the cheated party and have proof of it then also it is quite difficult as Bitcoin is anonymous and no direct link to its user unless it is held by third parties and kyc is done for holding.

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November 10, 2017, 12:27:45 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

till know users show ID when send bitcoins it is hard to take legal action against scammers
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November 10, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

till know users show ID when send bitcoins it is hard to take legal action against scammers

Correct, we all know that bitcoin address does not have a name, so it would be very difficult or impossible to file a case against people who scammed. This is one drawback of bitcoin, but I'm sure its just a small percentage of the total people who are using bitcoin in a good way. And unless you hire a private firm to track those suspected scammers, I would assume that there's no way to get back at them.



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Legal action for them must exist but many have not known the existence of lost like swallowed the earth,this we must realize about their company if not listed or not there that we should know.Must remain vigilant with fraudsters,don't easily believe with what which they promised.


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Yes, you can file a lawsuit if you have proof or evidence under fraud section of law of your country.

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If Bitcoin is legalized in your country, you can call the police to report if you're scammed but you can't when it's not legalized yet. Beside Bitcoin is very secure and the transaction is almost anonymous so it's not easy to find out the scammer, the only way to find out their identity is their IP address.

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With all these been said, it doesn't work in some of these third world countries
So they do get away with it

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it is Depend on your country rules but till now many countries not support bitcoin so will be hard to apply rules .

 till that time use escrow
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
No,we can't take any action on the bitcoin cheaters because they will hide their real identity so there will be no use if we file a complaint.So we have to  be careful with the bitcoin traders before paying to them look back their history and the feedback given by the users which help us to decide about the traders are scam or legit.

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November 14, 2017, 11:42:39 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
It means legalization of bitcoin in your country is allowed? because in our country since bitcoin are not totally legalize, even you hacked or scammed if you have no proofs shown in the court. The judge will not go on your side, also if you have a little people and no influence justice is not going on your side too.
Not only in a lot of the countries the bitcoin Is now being legal and I wish if I could see how fast the bitcoin is being legal in a lot of the countries and this is the reason why the bitcoin is getting the value and the bitcoin is now being famous I hope the bitcoin will give all the people the real value and the valuable price on the other hand the bitcoin is getting famous day by day so soon it will become the legal currency.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
No,we can't take any action on the bitcoin cheaters because they will hide their real identity so there will be no use if we file a complaint.So we have to  be careful with the bitcoin traders before paying to them look back their history and the feedback given by the users which help us to decide about the traders are scam or legit.
Initially, if you talk about lawsuits, you must first determine the legalization of the crypto currency and then you can start from something. If a person has a Bitcoin wallet with coins, then he must be realized, In order for there to be some object for dispute. Otherwise, the court can count this as not a possession, but a soap bubble.

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No,we can't take any actions about the cheaters and scammers because the bitcoin transaction is fully anonymous so we can't trace where it is happening and the cheaters knows how to hide their IP address which is important to take actions on cyber crimes.So we have to careful with our trades and we are responsible for our money.
Exactly! There is no way that we can take any kind of legal action and that too against bitcoin cheaters. It is because of the reason that bitcoin has not been declared as legal in most of the countries. There is no way that we can report to any government official regarding this. We have to be very careful by ourselves. There are number of scammers around us. Knowledge is the only thing which can save us.



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No,we can't take any actions about the cheaters and scammers because the bitcoin transaction is fully anonymous so we can't trace where it is happening and the cheaters knows how to hide their IP address which is important to take actions on cyber crimes.So we have to careful with our trades and we are responsible for our money.
Exactly! There is no way that we can take any kind of legal action and that too against bitcoin cheaters. It is because of the reason that bitcoin has not been declared as legal in most of the countries. There is no way that we can report to any government official regarding this. We have to be very careful by ourselves. There are number of scammers around us. Knowledge is the only thing which can save us.


Yes, when someone hacked or we made a mistake leading to loss. It's lost forever, we cannot claim it somewhere or can take legal action against it. Some rare incidents come to the legal consideration where both parties are well known and the issue is upon bitcoin based business.


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Theres so many ways to find the scammer and hackers if you incarage the many to this action many hackers should stop they will ban or remove in bitcoin so the hackers and scammers should go if they not tollerated anymore because we have right to out them.
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
It means legalization of bitcoin in your country is allowed? because in our country since bitcoin are not totally legalize, even you hacked or scammed if you have no proofs shown in the court. The judge will not go on your side, also if you have a little people and no influence justice is not going on your side too.
Not only in a lot of the countries the bitcoin Is now being legal and I wish if I could see how fast the bitcoin is being legal in a lot of the countries and this is the reason why the bitcoin is getting the value and the bitcoin is now being famous I hope the bitcoin will give all the people the real value and the valuable price on the other hand the bitcoin is getting famous day by day so soon it will become the legal currency.
Bitcoin are popular in almost all country, but it's hard to says if all cheaters in bitcoin society are can take legal action. Because first of all it's hard to find whose the Intruders or hacker in the crypto community, second there are no tools or items to found out all cheaters and last justice for all hackers or cheaters are hard to submit in the local community if they are no evidence for the sin they will do.

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November 15, 2017, 02:12:59 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

It's possible but it's pretty hard to do. I mean bitcoin is anonymous, it's hard to take legal action into it. If the amount that get scammed is over $100.000 it's worth to try though, get a lawyer on it.

With all these been said, it doesn't work in some of these third world countries
So they do get away with it

Loled at this but it's 100% true, here in my country even the casual case you can pay the police here to not taking you to the jail/court, against bitcoin scammers? it's like impossible to take legal action.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

If the government in your country drafted or pass a law regarding cyber crime even without specific regulation on cryptocurrency itself, this can be used to pursue or punished a person doing scamming in the internet. This might not be an easy journey, so itís better to avoid this things or incidents on happening than to be on that situation of depression because cheaters are mostly 90%(anon) of them can hide and 10% are the amateurs.
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
It means legalization of bitcoin in your country is allowed? because in our country since bitcoin are not totally legalize, even you hacked or scammed if you have no proofs shown in the court. The judge will not go on your side, also if you have a little people and no influence justice is not going on your side too.
Not only in a lot of the countries the bitcoin Is now being legal and I wish if I could see how fast the bitcoin is being legal in a lot of the countries and this is the reason why the bitcoin is getting the value and the bitcoin is now being famous I hope the bitcoin will give all the people the real value and the valuable price on the other hand the bitcoin is getting famous day by day so soon it will become the legal currency.
Yeah in a lot of the countries the bitcoin is getting legal and the bitcoin is the best source of the money I wish we can market bitcoin legal all around the world soon. Now the bitcoin is being legal and the bitcoin will help a lot of the people who are to having the source of the earning if you will see the bitcoin and the money for the bitcoin I hope the bitcoin is now increasing more with the time.

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In my because bitcoin is not widely used by people there are things like having scams or fraud but there are still no new rules and laws implementing on fraud and scam activities so that can justice on their illegal activities.

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Straight forward and simple answer is a Big NO, as in normal financial issue itself very difficult to trace and punish. So to bitcoin users who ever cheated by others should not waste your time on chasing and finding also punishing him. Your bitcoin wallet has to be protected by your self.

There is lot of practical difficulties to take legal action against the bitcoin cheaters.
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It is very difficult to provide legal action to the perpetrators of fraud in this case because it is difficult to track the perpetrators and be careful of the accounts we use by storing or creating passwords that are difficult to guess. is the solution

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it looks like you're saying it hard with so much hacker and scammer here in the world we do not get them immediately maybe it's normal for us because whatever else we do is there and that's it maybe we just need to be careful to avoid bitcoins cheating.







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Straight forward and simple answer is a Big NO, as in normal financial issue itself very difficult to trace and punish. So to bitcoin users who ever cheated by others should not waste your time on chasing and finding also punishing him. Your bitcoin wallet has to be protected by your self.

There is lot of practical difficulties to take legal action against the bitcoin cheaters.
Exactly. Here in our country there are existing law addressing online legal issues but in btc cheaters i think there is no way to penalize them because you cant trace it as bitcoin is anonymous, didnt know the particular person and you must also have proof. Unfortunately with all that have been said its not possible.

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You can only take legal action against a scammer if you have their real information, and a person trying to do something fishy would never use their real information as they know it can lead everyone to them. So it is quite not easy to reach out the ones who scam people in Bitcoin. But they can be found if someone tries really hard like tracking everything they used which might lead him to the ones behind the scam. But it doesn't really happen a lot in the community, and people forget and move on.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
I donít really get your point, so you mean even those that were scammed like many months (possibly a year)? How are they going to find those people?Though I do hear that scammers can be traced with the address they used to steal the money, but I donít really see how thatís possible, I keep on asking myself howÖ itís possible that they can sell/shift the Bitcoin after stealing, so if that happens, how do you then find them, by going on to catch the exchanger they sold to or what? Well, if your country is actually able to figure out how to catch scammers using Bitcoin, then itís quite amazing.

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

I guess we couldnt track a person behind  a profile whos primary purpose is to steal Bitcoin from others. Because Bitcoin transactions arent transparent, like we can do business without giving away a single information. But, maybe those computer wizard guys can track down the IP address of that scammer and provide evidence, then we could file a lawsuit against this cyber criminals under the cybercrime division. Still the best thing to do is be careful and secure and store your wallet safely.

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November 16, 2017, 08:14:15 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink

In our country there is already case being filed for such scammer/cheaters who take away the btc and do not make payment etc. The case is going on and many people after hearing this are now coming forward and registering the case if they have being cheated .  You can take legal action against such cheaters.
I donít really get your point, so you mean even those that were scammed like many months (possibly a year)? How are they going to find those people?Though I do hear that scammers can be traced with the address they used to steal the money, but I donít really see how thatís possible, I keep on asking myself howÖ itís possible that they can sell/shift the Bitcoin after stealing, so if that happens, how do you then find them, by going on to catch the exchanger they sold to or what? Well, if your country is actually able to figure out how to catch scammers using Bitcoin, then itís quite amazing.
It would really be amazing if theres someone could able to resolve such big problem that do exist on bitcoin world it would be helpful if theres someone can trace those scammers but i see this thing as impossible because scammers can easily mixed up the bitcoins been scammed or stole by the use of mixers or even depositing on exchange and buy another coins then viola.! It would really make the thing even more harder for them to be traced.

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In this world there are so many people have bad intention and in this kind of business there are many hackers   and cheaters  first we can do is find them  talk to or message  them to stop if they dont stop to cheat thats the time we   file a legal action against them.

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In this world there are so many people have bad intention and in this kind of business there are many hackers   and cheaters  first we can do is find them  talk to or message  them to stop if they dont stop to cheat thats the time we   file a legal action against them.
I am sure scammers will listen to your words and when you say them to stop i am sure that they will stop to scam people.
Do you live in on Mars or something?
They are bloody scammers, they will always scam. You can't stop them, you can't file legal action against 99.99% of them because you will never know who they are!

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Yes but that is a little difficult. Bitcoin is somehow being anonymous. Im sure the one who scams cover themselves onto fake ip addresses or codenames etc. Its a lot of investigation, but i know you can report them unto cyber crime police. Just be carefull whom you transact for.

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The sad truth is only those with the capacity to pay an investigator or just have a better lawyer have the time to sue this scamers,

Good thing is theinternet if full of information to how to check websites security or to just track websites that offer high yield investment return
Who would even want to go through all those stress when they cannot even know the identity of such scammers in the first place. It would require a whole lot of resources to even be able to pull that off and at the end may not even give a good or expected result.

The best is for everyone to just stay secured and know what is legit or not. Like you said, it would be so easy to get information about any site and for those who are lazy or greedy enough to fall in the hands of scammers, then they should have themselves to blame.














 

 

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First of all who is he or she is the accused about Bitcoin cheaters..should to identity their and sacked from forum. But it is difficult to identify them. You can sue them up if you find on who are the person behind on those scam programs, but I don't see anyone has been sued yet since its near to impossible to track them up since bitcoins are anonymous and people can hide their identity easily on online scene. Who is lost him/her something, only he/she knows what it is. Please protect them.

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The sad truth is only those with the capacity to pay an investigator or just have a better lawyer have the time to sue this scamers,

Good thing is theinternet if full of information to how to check websites security or to just track websites that offer high yield investment return
Who would even want to go through all those stress when they cannot even know the identity of such scammers in the first place. It would require a whole lot of resources to even be able to pull that off and at the end may not even give a good or expected result.

The best is for everyone to just stay secured and know what is legit or not. Like you said, it would be so easy to get information about any site and for those who are lazy or greedy enough to fall in the hands of scammers, then they should have themselves to blame.

Like you said it is better to stay secured than finding and take action against them,in bitcoin world there is no way to trace the people.So you have to take care of your bitcoins and only trade with trusted members or using escrow service then you don't have to worry about the scams.
You can identify the scammer by their huge offers,they just use our greediness by giving us huge offers but at the end they will run with your money so always read about the terms and conditions before investing.

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it is Depend on your country rules but till now many countries not support bitcoin so will be hard to apply rules .

 till that time use escrow
Agreed! I donít think so there is any country in this world which has any such kind of rules against the ones who are bitcoin cheaters. It is because of the reason that bitcoin has not been declared as legal currency by now and there is no rule which is applicable to bitcoin.

You yourself need to be very much careful if you want to stay way from people like that. Be well aware of what all is going around you.
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It is hard to sue Bitcoin scammers because we can't trace their identity even when we check it online because their not using their real name so the best thing to do is stay away to these cheaters and scammers

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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
It really hard to do so since bitcoin is decentralized currency not supported by any governments.It comes under cyber crime.It would be better for us to remain cautious while using bitcoins since more scammers have now entered this bitcoin market.


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It is hard to sue Bitcoin scammers because we can't trace their identity even when we check it online because their not using their real name so the best thing to do is stay away to these cheaters and scammers

In most cases scammers are quite easy to notice, but when it comes to a very small portion of them, they have perfected the art of scamming where you will only notice that you're scammed, when you're actually scammed (i.e. when it's too late). They do everything to look as legit as possible, so unless you're going face to face with people when it comes to sealing deals, you'll always be exposed to the risk of getting scammed, and there is nothing that you can do about it aside from using an escrow when possible. The internet is a massive pool of opportunities to exploit for scammers, which gives them quite a bit of freedom to utilize their scammy behavior....

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Yes, we can take action against bitcoin cheaters. It is because of the reason that why bitcoin has not been declared as legal currency by now and there is no rule which is applicable to bitcoin. Smiley

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I dont know now, maybe someday because cheaters or scamers they are many now they multiply to scam us so we take care of it and we take any action of this.

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November 20, 2017, 03:08:51 PM
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The answer to your question depends on the country of jurisdiction of the scammer. If the scammer lives in a country where cryptocurrency or any form of digital currency is not yet regulated or has no laws governing it, then there is nothing you can do to prosecute them. The only chance you can file a case against scammers is when they starts converting the digital assets they stole into fiat or any form of national currency and withdraws it.

Now, in addition to not having regulations as a hindrance, finding a scammer's location and identity could also pose a problem. As other members already pointed out here, scammers may hide using different IP addresses and make use of fake identities. If you have no idea of who they really are, then it becomes an impediment to the opportunity for you to file a legal action against them.

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November 20, 2017, 08:08:43 PM
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It is hard to sue Bitcoin scammers because we can't trace their identity even when we check it online because their not using their real name so the best thing to do is stay away to these cheaters and scammers

In most cases scammers are quite easy to notice, but when it comes to a very small portion of them, they have perfected the art of scamming where you will only notice that you're scammed, when you're actually scammed (i.e. when it's too late). They do everything to look as legit as possible, so unless you're going face to face with people when it comes to sealing deals, you'll always be exposed to the risk of getting scammed, and there is nothing that you can do about it aside from using an escrow when possible. The internet is a massive pool of opportunities to exploit for scammers, which gives them quite a bit of freedom to utilize their scammy behavior....
The only one to whom you do trust is only yourself when it comes on online transactions and always think off that scammers are just everywhere trying to wait for their victim and most of them are newbies who do easily fool. Scammers are quiet easy to notice if you do have an experienced eyes and observation which we can able to detect and identify that it is actually a fraud or not but for those people who do lack knowledge or even didnt even experienced such thing will surely be easily decieved. Legal actions on these people are not possible as of these days.

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November 20, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
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One of the most powerful advantage of bitcoin network is user anonymity, therefore if someone send or receive payment through bitcoin it will be hard to identify him.
Anonymity makes cheating and scaming easy and when someone cheat you, it will be impossible to track him in order to get your money back.
In such case the only one that can be blamed is the one who got scammed because he wasn't vigilant.


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November 20, 2017, 09:18:24 PM
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I was scammed once here and it wasn't nice at all, what could I do? Nothing, I just opened a scam accusation against that member, others supported me and marked this guy with red trust and that was it.
One of the most powerful advantage of bitcoin network is user anonymity, therefore if someone send or receive payment through bitcoin it will be hard to identify him.
Anonymity makes cheating and scaming easy and when someone cheat you, it will be impossible to track him in order to get your money back.
In such case the only one that can be blamed is the one who got scammed because he wasn't vigilant.


People can hide behind bitcoin, making new wallets, mixers, exchangers, all of then helps scammers to stay hidden. I didn't use escrow and that fucked me up, so protect yourself as much as you can, I don't think there will be some regulations in close future.