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November 02, 2017, 08:51:35 PM
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By the way, for those interested in going the legal route on this. In the USA last I heard the minimum requirement to have the FBI be involved is a minimum $15,000 in damages. The FBI and other IT cybercrime units are so backlogged with work I don't think they bother with cases under $50,000 to $100,000 in damages. More than 80% of businesses with an internet presence are breached. A good percentage of the time its an inside job. If its not an inside job the crime is often committed by someone living in a country that does not extradite nor cooperate with law enforcement of foreign nations. This makes it virtually impossible for them to be held accountable from a legal standpoint.

The success rate in recovering stolen funds through legal means is probably exceedingly low. Part of the issue is high cost of lawyer fees and other liabilities a person must take on to prosecute a case. I would be interested to know if anyone has successfully taken action against scammers. I remember there being scammers like "Moriarty" who were known on this forum who never seemed to be brought to justice.

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November 02, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
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I think all countries has a law for the scammers, here in my country many agencies are caught by doing scamming people and their business was forcing to closed and the owner got in jail. But in bitcoin there is no news yet that theres scammer got personally caught because bitcoin transaction is not yet tracable.

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November 02, 2017, 10:43:36 PM
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Of course you can charge that site with for scamming or fraud there are lots of bitcoin  like that and most of them is cloud mining and hyip this are types of ponzi schemes the question is how to get an evidence in order to report that site. The solution is invest first a little amount of money of thst site and documents everything you do and present as proof when the site turns scam.



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November 02, 2017, 10:53:01 PM
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All countries in this world have laws against cheating that makes it illegal and you can of course take legal action if you were cheaten at a website. But your problem is that most of the bitcoin website cheaters operate anonymous and while you can also file a complaint against anonymous persons, in most cases this will simply not lead to anything!

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November 03, 2017, 04:22:10 AM
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All countries in this world have laws against cheating that makes it illegal and you can of course take legal action if you were cheaten at a website. But your problem is that most of the bitcoin website cheaters operate anonymous and while you can also file a complaint against anonymous persons, in most cases this will simply not lead to anything!

That's true we can't take any action on the hackers and scammers because they know how to hide in the internet and the IP addresses of them also cannot be traced so if we complain also there is no use with that.So we have to take care of our money.So be aware of who you are paying make sure he is a trustworthy person,and in trades only trade with who use an escrow service because they are responsible for our bitcoin.Don't get cheated by the scammers there are many websites on the internet which most of them are scams so don't get attracted by the big offers.
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November 03, 2017, 05:44:37 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Who can accuse them here in forum and for those bitcoin cheaters. In what way or source did they cheated? If bitcoin is known to your country, you can still ask someone from the cyber crime division of the police or you can directly go with the FBI. But only those serious cases they will be taking on action.

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November 03, 2017, 07:39:31 AM
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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.
I have always heard that scammers using BTC can be traced. Though someone once asked me what if they are making use of a VPN Security to hide their location and everything about them would it be possible to trace them? I still said YES, cause according to the stories I’ve heard they were caught by tracing the BTC address they used to carry out the operation. But if that’s not the way it’s been done, I believe experts has their ways of dealing with these kind of things.

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November 03, 2017, 01:12:30 PM
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Have you seen a needle in a garden?, that’s how hard to find someone making crimes in the internet(depends on what kind of scammers) because they’re are two kinds, the amateur (the wannabe hackers) and the professional (hackers/anonymous). But before tackling that the most important thing to do is avoiding them. The wannabes are the most easy to trace and can be lure to come out. But if that are the professionals, there is 50% chance of solving it but you need a much level professionals than the scammers to track him.

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November 03, 2017, 04:23:28 PM
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Yes we can take action, But it is not that easy to find Proof, Court will only justify if the evidence is correct and is Proven. Cheaters are always Their to harm and scam people. They are Known as Greedy Person.
Taking Legal action also Needs legal Evidence and if they are Guilty plea. and most Important is to trace cheaters where is there Location and Identity must be known. The only Problem is their anonymity.

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November 03, 2017, 10:15:50 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

I think you can. I remember there was a thread in the Legal section, he claims to be a bitcoin attorney, maybe you can ask him,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1724798.0

There are already several discussions on that thread, maybe you can chime in or read the whole thread because it can be helpful to you if you really wants to pursue those scammers. However, I think it really depends on how much money the scammers took from you, if you think its really worth to chase them so by all means, get your money back and hire some online detectives and a attorney.

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November 03, 2017, 10:53:43 PM
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Apart from being cautious with our BTC we must take into account that if we want to punish these scammers, we can not be governed by centralized laws, since we are talking about a decentralized and global system, and therefore, the same network of cryptocurrencies should take their own laws and sanctions; It is something that should be implemented not only in each web page, but throughout the web, have sites to report these scammers and proceed to perform the relevant actions.

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November 04, 2017, 12:40:46 AM
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Yes you can as long as your country has the suitable laws and charges. The only problem is proof as one of the members said it is difficult to obtain proof of the crime since it involves the net unless that your are good with hacking and also that is a crime is some.

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November 04, 2017, 12:55:31 AM
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I'd like to ask:  Was any action taken against Master-P for that big scam that he pulled?  If any legal action was ever going to be taken against a scammer, it would be him.  And to the best of my recollection, he wasn't prosecuted for anything. 

I got scammed out of 0.3BTC last year and let it go.  Not many people pursue scammers, unfortunately, but I'm not of the belief that nothing can be done.  It's just that it takes a lot of work, and cyberscamming, I suppose, is hard to prosecute.  But if the scam is big enough, they sure as hell are going to get caught.  Remember Trendon Shavers and that big BST scam?  He went to jail for that, as did Mark Karepeles for the Mt. Gox disaster.  But these little scams?  Nah, those assholes all get away with it scot-free.

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November 05, 2017, 03:23:54 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
Yes, there is legal action against fraudsters. Every field has scammers, bitcoins too. They are more sophisticated tricks because this is a high value currency. Everyone wants to own a BTC. Bitcoin helps us to enrich and change your life.

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I'd like to ask:  Was any action taken against Master-P for that big scam that he pulled?  If any legal action was ever going to be taken against a scammer, it would be him.  And to the best of my recollection, he wasn't prosecuted for anything. 

I got scammed out of 0.3BTC last year and let it go.  Not many people pursue scammers, unfortunately, but I'm not of the belief that nothing can be done.  It's just that it takes a lot of work, and cyberscamming, I suppose, is hard to prosecute.  But if the scam is big enough, they sure as hell are going to get caught.  Remember Trendon Shavers and that big BST scam?  He went to jail for that, as did Mark Karepeles for the Mt. Gox disaster.  But these little scams?  Nah, those assholes all get away with it scot-free.
For Millions amounts then it is possible for government to take action just like on what you are telling here about those past big time scams.They are able to be traced out.I dont know actually on how they did it but presuming that we can really take legal actions but for small time scams then they wont really waste up their effort.

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November 05, 2017, 10:25:19 AM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

one of the most advantages of bitcoin is hide your id , same reason will be disadvantages when you scammed so that you must be smart and deal with know sites , be away from users that focus on high price for short time ,you also can use trusted escrow before and unknown deals  "Prevention is better than cure"

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November 05, 2017, 05:15:16 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

one of the most advantages of bitcoin is hide your id , same reason will be disadvantages when you scammed so that you must be smart and deal with know sites , be away from users that focus on high price for short time ,you also can use trusted escrow before and unknown deals  "Prevention is better than cure"

If you owned the signed message of your address your means you will able to ban that bitcointalk account here in this forum apart from that nothing you can do for the cheaters and scammer who are shoot up your bitcoin from your wallet and scam you in your trade.
If bitcoin regulates by the financial system then you will be able to make bitcoin transaction with the pipeline. Now all the wallets change the dynamic wallet address so identifying the btc is harder than before now.

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November 05, 2017, 05:29:50 PM
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It is somewhat possible to track the information of scam website owners by checking whois reports or taking legal actions agains them so that legal parties can contact their domain registrars.
However, cheators do not put their real info, neither they user real ip at registrations.
May be there is still a way for experts to read their background info using smart techniques.
I have always heard that scammers using BTC can be traced. Though someone once asked me what if they are making use of a VPN Security to hide their location and everything about them would it be possible to trace them? I still said YES, cause according to the stories I’ve heard they were caught by tracing the BTC address they used to carry out the operation. But if that’s not the way it’s been done, I believe experts has their ways of dealing with these kind of things.
I read a lot of scams in the scam accusations section here on this forum and most victims are not able to find the scammers or do not know what to do and ask for help in the forum. I would be very surprised if most bitcoin scammers can be traced as they can simply use bitcoin mix services and VPNs!
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November 06, 2017, 02:03:08 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..
I guess there will be a system regulation on this matter in the future specially to those centralized cryptos! Wink
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November 06, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
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Is there any legal background against bit coin cheaters,who using scam sites for cheats people..

Yes its possible and suing them will be a long way to do because they might be domiciled in another country and the cost of suing with the legal charges might even outweigh the damages you seek to claim. Instead of going the long route, the best is just to dentify where they are licensed, if its a legit site and take the following steps;

1. Write to their support to let them know your intention to go through the next step. If they didnt not respond, then move to step 2

2. Write a strong worded email to the licensing body and attach all correspondence that happened in step 1 and every other evidence that you have to show you have been cheated.

3. Wait for someone to fight your case for you. If response is not forthcoming, write another mail and copy every organisation that have to do with international activities then go to Twitter to call them out...

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