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May 26, 2018, 05:59:12 PM
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I just want to check. You know there are no guarantee they will ever return to a higher price or provide dividends, right. It's a high risk gamble with potential high returns. It could go to zero.

Yes. Super !! all token and coins are high risk investments. but every investor knows this in advance. and who has invested here and now has no more money should go back to school. if the money is gone then you are unlucky. ethereum could also fall to 2 dollars tomorrow. everything is possible in crypto
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May 26, 2018, 06:09:20 PM
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I just want to check. You know there are no guarantee they will ever return to a higher price or provide dividends, right. It's a high risk gamble with potential high returns. It could go to zero.

Yes. Super !! all token and coins are high risk investments. but every investor knows this in advance. and who has invested here and now has no more money should go back to school. if the money is gone then you are unlucky. ethereum could also fall to 2 dollars tomorrow. everything is possible in crypto

What is your source to that inside Ethereum could fall to that level of $2 but you know this this is not possible if we look over the adoption of that network but on other side EVN has totally different story we can make it compare with any stable project who have transparent system. This project is suffering from inside problem CEO get more greedy after achieve the hard cap. 
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May 26, 2018, 08:25:22 PM
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Here a few articles from Envions  facebook private group 


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Telegram post by Laurent:

Mr. Woestmann invested in Solon SE when it was worth around $10 million. A couple of years later it was worth ~$300 million. That is when Woestmann exited. Months later it went bankrupt.

The city of Berlin and the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern pumped €146 million of free money into Solon in that time.

Woestmann profited. Investors lost. Taxpers lost.

Thomas Krupke was the CEO of Solon. He was installed on the board of directors of Clere AG.

The majority shareholder of Clere AG is Thomas van Aubel. Van Aubel took over Balda AG, falsely accused board memebers of fraud and replaced them with his lackies, then renamed the company Clere.

Last summer van Aubel tried to get Clere AG delisted from exchanges and offer shareholders the market price for their stock which was severly undervalued after the chaos he caused. He would pocket the tens of miillions of Euros remaining in the company.

Thomas van Aubel and his wife Jutta von Falkenhausen are now the majority shareholders of envion.

They and Woestmann have suggested delisting EVN and offering some kind of replacement while crashing the token price. They have falsely accused envion's founders of fraud.


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Envion  To everyone: We completely understand your frustrations and concerns during this tumultuous time. At the present moment, there is only so much we can reveal publically about the status of the legal actions taking place: mostly because we can't have this sensitive information getting into the wrong hands.
We delete posts that insinuate we are a scam. We are most certainly not a scam: everything we have done has been within a legal jurisdiction and every contract we have drawn up as been to the highest legal standards and to prevent the worst case scenario happening. It could be argued that we have made some mistakes along the way, but, we have token contracts and EVERYTHING we have done is supported by smart contracts and is recorded on the blockchain. And everything we are doing now is to protect our investors and to resume MMU manufacturing.
We know it is asking a lot for you all to continue having faith in us: the ICO world is full of scammers and pump and dump schemes. Unfortunately even though we took every step imaginable to prevent this from happening with our project, there was a wolf in sheep's clothing in our midst. The difference, however, is that Woestmann and Van Aubel are using old-school tactics that don't fly in the blockchain economy: this is exactly why we all are in this world, right? The blockchain makes sure that every step taken is traceable and verifiable by outside sources.
We appreciate posts that are about dialogue, not posts that spiral into conspiracy theory or gross mis-speculations about the actions we are taking, all of which are to preserve the original aim of the project and to protect the investments and our investor community

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May 26, 2018, 09:56:28 PM
Last edit: May 26, 2018, 10:08:39 PM by sluppy
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Here a few articles from Envions  facebook private group 


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Telegram post by Laurent:

Mr. Woestmann invested in Solon SE when it was worth around $10 million. A couple of years later it was worth ~$300 million. That is when Woestmann exited. Months later it went bankrupt.

The city of Berlin and the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern pumped €146 million of free money into Solon in that time.

Woestmann profited. Investors lost. Taxpers lost.

Thomas Krupke was the CEO of Solon. He was installed on the board of directors of Clere AG.

The majority shareholder of Clere AG is Thomas van Aubel. Van Aubel took over Balda AG, falsely accused board memebers of fraud and replaced them with his lackies, then renamed the company Clere.

Last summer van Aubel tried to get Clere AG delisted from exchanges and offer shareholders the market price for their stock which was severly undervalued after the chaos he caused. He would pocket the tens of miillions of Euros remaining in the company.

Thomas van Aubel and his wife Jutta von Falkenhausen are now the majority shareholders of envion.

They and Woestmann have suggested delisting EVN and offering some kind of replacement while crashing the token price. They have falsely accused envion's founders of fraud.


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Envion  To everyone: We completely understand your frustrations and concerns during this tumultuous time. At the present moment, there is only so much we can reveal publically about the status of the legal actions taking place: mostly because we can't have this sensitive information getting into the wrong hands.
We delete posts that insinuate we are a scam. We are most certainly not a scam: everything we have done has been within a legal jurisdiction and every contract we have drawn up as been to the highest legal standards and to prevent the worst case scenario happening. It could be argued that we have made some mistakes along the way, but, we have token contracts and EVERYTHING we have done is supported by smart contracts and is recorded on the blockchain. And everything we are doing now is to protect our investors and to resume MMU manufacturing.
We know it is asking a lot for you all to continue having faith in us: the ICO world is full of scammers and pump and dump schemes. Unfortunately even though we took every step imaginable to prevent this from happening with our project, there was a wolf in sheep's clothing in our midst. The difference, however, is that Woestmann and Van Aubel are using old-school tactics that don't fly in the blockchain economy: this is exactly why we all are in this world, right? The blockchain makes sure that every step taken is traceable and verifiable by outside sources.
We appreciate posts that are about dialogue, not posts that spiral into conspiracy theory or gross mis-speculations about the actions we are taking, all of which are to preserve the original aim of the project and to protect the investments and our investor community




"this is exactly why we all are in this world, right?"

We ? I don't think there is a WE .. there is US the investors and You guys the people that took our money.

You selected the CEO WE did NOT , You Moved and Sold Founder tokens that where supposedly on LOCKDOWN.

Ill tell you what WE the investors care about .. OUR MONEY .. you guys finger pointing does not help us at all.




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May 26, 2018, 10:17:22 PM
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Is there any positive news on the Envion project? Just curious.
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May 27, 2018, 04:44:12 AM
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Is there any positive news on the Envion project? Just curious.

i hope so, there will be a positive news from envion
but, the last updates from envion is only this
https://medium.com/@envion/envion-investor-update-may-4th-2018-9884f732025f

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May 27, 2018, 05:47:38 AM
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Is there any positive news on the Envion project? Just curious.

i hope so, there will be a positive news from envion
but, the last updates from envion is only this
https://medium.com/@envion/envion-investor-update-may-4th-2018-9884f732025f

No there are many more articles and there are several active discussions on telegram.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.George Carlin
We pay for life with death , so everything in between should be free. Bill Hicks -- It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. Aristotle
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. Buddha -- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates
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May 27, 2018, 03:10:54 PM
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Is there any positive news on the Envion project? Just curious.

i hope so, there will be a positive news from envion
but, the last updates from envion is only this
https://medium.com/@envion/envion-investor-update-may-4th-2018-9884f732025f

No there are many more articles and there are several active discussions on telegram.


No, there's plenty more.

The CEO page: http://envion-recovery.org/
The Founder page: https://envion-founders.org/
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May 27, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
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Daily volume is still over $50k and main source of volume is HitBTC at the moment. It seems that people are keep doing trading as long as it allows them. When I think about these people still keep buying in hope of everything to become good sooner and they will be big winner it gives me sensation of gamblers. They are doing gamble apparently the game is over but sometimes gambles work.
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May 27, 2018, 06:18:38 PM
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 Live EVN - ETH Streaming Trades
In the last 20 trades there have been 12 sell trades, 8 buy trades and 0 unknown trades. In the last day there has been Ξ 3.67 sell volume (71%), Ξ 1.48 buy volume (29%) and Ξ 0 unknown volume (0%) out of a total of Ξ 5.15 trading volume.


sell volume is still higher. most are selling and not buying
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May 27, 2018, 06:26:56 PM
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Live EVN - ETH Streaming Trades
In the last 20 trades there have been 12 sell trades, 8 buy trades and 0 unknown trades. In the last day there has been Ξ 3.67 sell volume (71%), Ξ 1.48 buy volume (29%) and Ξ 0 unknown volume (0%) out of a total of Ξ 5.15 trading volume.


sell volume is still higher. most are selling and not buying
In my opinion envion token holders are panic from the current situation of the envion project.
They are thinking this project is no more and it's price will be at zero very soon but Let's hope they will solve the issue and start working on project.
If we can take risk then we should buy more envion (i'm not sure evn price will rise).  Smiley

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May 27, 2018, 06:36:34 PM
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I am confused... Would that swap be automatic? Or would we need to send old tokens to some addresses to burn. I am guessing that it's automatic.

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May 27, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
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During the past week EVN Daily Volume hardly reached 170k.
So we wait for the news from Founders.
Let's stay calm and avoid rumors and FUD.
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May 27, 2018, 10:57:59 PM
Last edit: May 27, 2018, 11:10:56 PM by wwzsocki
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If anybody wants to know exactly what is going on with Envion ICO then I found a great article which is a summary of this case. The author looks at all aspects of this case. This a real professional in deep research and everybody interested in Envion case should read this.

I'm not the author or promoter of this page. I'm a dumb investor and bounty hunter who participated in ICO and promotional bounty campaign for this scam. So I lost two times. First, money invested (almost 90%). Second, my time and work which will be never paid.

Here link to article:
http://fintelegram.com/envion-case-disclosed-a-hostile-takeover-and-a-legal-puzzle

And here another article from the same blog about Envion worth to read too as an addition and to have a full understanding of all parties involved. I like this in deep research with all data provided like exact names and companies involved.
http://fintelegram.com/the-envion-case-the-first-analogue-hack-or-simply-ico-fraud

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May 27, 2018, 11:35:10 PM
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During the past week EVN Daily Volume hardly reached 170k.
So we wait for the news from Founders.
Let's stay calm and avoid rumors and FUD.
that's good think because if we believe in rumors and fud we just make more loss in selling cheap
my recommendation is also to stay calm and get in touch with envion team on social media and wait for more furture news
i don't believe that envion is scam its just a fud
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May 27, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
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What will they tell us? Do you think they can be trusted?
Each side sound just as full of shit as the other
I want to believe that the founders a clean and the good guys but it's too much of a mess to tell anything for sure
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May 27, 2018, 11:41:45 PM
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There is indeed. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world has heard of Envion yet and people soon forget past issues if dividends start rolling in. Keep your hopes low and be prepared to wait.
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May 27, 2018, 11:42:06 PM
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Let's make it clear we demand the transparency they have been claiming and collect all the legal and audit information and put it somewhere everyone in this community can look at, understand and discuss
I don't know how where this information is kept though... Any one here a lawyer of know the process of accessing such information?
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May 28, 2018, 09:04:24 AM
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Do you think all these articles and news which arose this internal conflict over the funds and tokens control will disappear from the web ? People always do little research before putting their money into any project. At start it seemed drama to push the weak hand out by shaking them but now things started to get worse. I don't think they can still run business like before even if they reach at some settlement. This fight started between two and now investors have become third party and the way they were treated they want money back.
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May 28, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
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One section of the team kept people in darkness completely by saying KYC kind things while they were doing things to exit the project. When they arranged things probably after watching good time to do so, they started to beat the drum in public. They will simply run away with money using some part to protect them having good lawyers.
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