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June 02, 2018, 07:24:06 PM
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New video

Trado statement on situation (Matthias Woestmann, Thomas van Aubel, Jutta von Falkenhausen) @envion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mthMDxxx2Y&feature=youtu.be

We need solution not only statement still this looking very complicated how to make comeback. This is really hard for all people who invested into fake promises but still no solution when they will give any solution to make it stable.

Do I understand correctly?
Money back will not be returned?
But at the best, will they really start doing the promised units?
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June 02, 2018, 07:28:40 PM
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I advise Envion ICO investors to sue the Envion founders and CEO for not producing the expected amount of MMUs and thereby not being able to provide the advertised ROI.

Demand your money back. The tokens are worthless if there are no mining operations. Focus on the funds they raised, which have not been used for their intended purpose.

For months Envion kept silent and pretended to be building MMUs. They have lied to you.

There have been lawsuits over much smaller Kickstarter projects that failed to deliver.

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Kickstarter project sued, unveiling crowdfunding weakness
Last year, Washington State Attorney General filed a consumer protection lawsuit action against a Kickstarter project, Asylum Playing Cards.

In the original crowdfunding project, Altius Management raised $25,000 from 810 backers. The rewards for the campaign were set to be delivered in December 2012, but when the suit was filed in April, 2014, nothing had been sent.

Washington State filed a lawsuit against the company for failing to deliver their product and not offering refunds. The suit only applied to 32 people, the backers who lived in Washington state. The defendants were fined around $54,000, for restitution, civil penalties, and attorney’s fees.

That was a $25,000 fund raiser. The Envion ICO was over a $100 million fund raiser. Go figure.

The feud and lawsuit between the founders and Woestmann is irrelevant to the investors. Envion for all intents and purposes is forever dysfunctional. The only thing that matters, investors, is getting your money back.

Absolutely agree.
The filing of a lawsuit in court will force the organizers to stop the game with investors.
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June 03, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
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Business run based on reviews and reputations which actually decide the future. If someone expect if they restores the container building and reach at solution people will easily digest all these stress moment is dreaming. Here are deceiving under terms of lies and internal conflicts so new people will want to stay away when there are option why one will try to retest these unprofessional.
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June 03, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
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The founders have still to respond to many of the open and pending clarifications.. most important of all is why the locked founders money went moving all around since more than 3 months ago
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June 03, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
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It does not surprise me that they still have all the illigal tokens but that it has all been put in different wallets to hide tracks.
This can never be checked.

There are only 2 good solutions for this problem

1. The locked tokens of the founders wallet and envion wallets must be burned.
They have sold other tokens before. Then these can be burned.

2. Full refund to the investors.
Creating new tokens like (ENV2) makes no sense and does not solve the problem.
Wand who has illegal and legal tokens can not be checked because the ilegale tokens can still be owned by Founders or CEO.

Problem solved!
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June 03, 2018, 11:53:29 AM
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It does not surprise me that they still have all the illigal tokens but that it has all been put in different wallets to hide tracks.
This can never be checked.

There are only 2 good solutions for this problem

1. The locked tokens of the founders wallet and envion wallets must be burned.
They have sold other tokens before. Then these can be burned.

2. Full refund to the investors.
Creating new tokens like (ENV2) makes no sense and does not solve the problem.
Wand who has illegal and legal tokens can not be checked because the ilegale tokens can still be owned by Founders or CEO.

Problem solved!
i believe the best solution is FULL REFUND TO ALL INVESTORS!!
after that every investor can decided with their own will, whenever they leave the project or join again.
but i think EVION won't do that Grin
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June 03, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
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It does not surprise me that they still have all the illigal tokens but that it has all been put in different wallets to hide tracks.
This can never be checked.

There are only 2 good solutions for this problem

1. The locked tokens of the founders wallet and envion wallets must be burned.
They have sold other tokens before. Then these can be burned.

2. Full refund to the investors.
Creating new tokens like (ENV2) makes no sense and does not solve the problem.
Wand who has illegal and legal tokens can not be checked because the ilegale tokens can still be owned by Founders or CEO.

Problem solved!
i believe the best solution is FULL REFUND TO ALL INVESTORS!!
after that every investor can decided with their own will, whenever they leave the project or join again.
but i think EVION won't do that Grin

Yeah I agree, refund is a best solution in this situation. If they don't want to run this project anymore!
I am feeling unhappy about envion bounty hunters, who worked hard for this project but they got nothing.
This decision will be despondent in the rights of bounty hunters. This is a lesson for newbies, crypto is very risky and be alert.  Smiley

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June 03, 2018, 05:32:12 PM
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The absolute worst people in history, ranked by the wisdom of the crowd: "Vlad the Impaler", "Mihnea the Evil", "Ivan the Terrible" and "Evan the Instaminer".
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June 03, 2018, 05:41:53 PM
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Damn that's harsh. It's like a cold shower for those dreamers, but most of them exchange buyers are still in denial so this might just wash off as a fud.

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June 03, 2018, 07:01:21 PM
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I knew it, both sides are guilty and committed a crime. There is nobody we can trust in Envion. I still hoped for a solution but this summary confirms fully what I thought that will happen. Like always investors lose money. If not all than for sure a big chunk of investment. People who bought on exchanges and never invested in ICO phase will lose everything. The only hope for them is to find an investor who bought during ICO and sold everything. He could confirm this tokens for actual owners using his KYC approval (just a thought). Such a waste of money and time. Envion shame on you.

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June 03, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
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Situation is becoming more critical after day by day we still into space and have no solution how to get rid of this big problem. Now future of this project is looking doubtful and it looking people will get hurt so badly if this process will be delay further.
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June 03, 2018, 09:46:48 PM
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Any Investors interested in searching for a law firm with Swiss-German jurisdiction to initiate class action suits against both Founders and CEO for fraud? It would appear that all players in the ICO are culpable to some degree.
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June 04, 2018, 06:13:21 AM
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Any Investors interested in searching for a law firm with Swiss-German jurisdiction to initiate class action suits against both Founders and CEO for fraud? It would appear that all players in the ICO are culpable to some degree.

Yes I would be interested (if I am not satisfied with the outcome of the current court ruling founders vs woestmann). So I will wait for now
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June 04, 2018, 07:00:12 AM
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Hello. Only saw your project. I correctly understand that.
ENVION is a project that is considered an excellent short-term investment and a great long-term investment.
Who believes?
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June 04, 2018, 11:20:32 PM
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 it's not a scam and I believe if the power struggle can be resolved then we're onto a winner.. if it all goes to shit then I sue some people... I'm more concerned about my exchange tokens, ico purchase was nothing compared to my exchange holdings.
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June 04, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
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If you’re honest you can show your face and your company registration of who are the ultimate beneficiaries. As well as “not having multisignature” on 100 million of funds?
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June 04, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
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You know how many people you can pay to keep writing good thought out bs? That’s a name in a chat, costs probably 300€ per day and that’s it
I’m telling you, even with 20-30 million you can Bs thousands of people for years and still lay on a beach with your team and laugh your a** off
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June 05, 2018, 02:47:19 AM
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IMO wherever the outcome..this will be painful..Court ruling will take time..be patience
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June 05, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
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They have to report them to the police all toghether eventuelly it wil reach interpol. they need to get arrested before they fuck more things up. We need eveyone of us making a official complaint at the police office in your town. So all these complaints all togheter become a case.
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June 05, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
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On the contrary to what you are saying L and M have been in chat talking to investors, mw hasnt shown much interest, proof in the pudding right there, gotta say though the investors are a force not to be taken lightly
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