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May 18, 2018, 04:03:32 PM |
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Suppose that a buyer from the ICO did sell some of his tokens at an exchange. Is he going to get the EVN2 tokens? (I suppose no, as it would increase the number of tokens)
Also, how are they going to deduct which tokens is illegal as it may have been sold on a legal exchange?
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oapieNL
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May 18, 2018, 04:15:33 PM |
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Suppose that a buyer from the ICO did sell some of his tokens at an exchange. Is he going to get the EVN2 tokens? (I suppose no, as it would increase the number of tokens)
Also, how are they going to deduct which tokens is illegal as it may have been sold on a legal exchange?
That can not be checked. When I look at all illegal sold tokens, I see that everything has gone to hitbtc https://etherscan.io/address/0x07398fe796078d552f68cbe6a44af71ab3f1cbfa#tokentxnshitbtc is a centralized exchange. so every token can not be traced after it leaves hitbtc to the current holder. Only hitbtc can get a problem with this. hitbtc is an envion holder and therefore owns iligale tokens |
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May 18, 2018, 04:24:35 PM |
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Market Cap now $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION
people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not My personal opionion and i insist to it , is that this ICO hasnt ended, fast conclusions is always a mistake... I believe this is a welldone set up in order the company to obtaint he most of the ICO's back! This project i who invested a lot must be disappointed. I went to see the market value until I was scared : $ 0.14 well below the value of ICO Very scary because the ICO price is 1$ but due to lack of announcements and updates from the team the price of coin went down very quickly. Yes, nearly they collected 100 million but failed to communicate with the community. I hope we have some good news about this project soon and goes up again. This starts to be worrying. |
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May 18, 2018, 06:08:38 PM |
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Everyone saw that something went wrong. The lack of communication was a first sign. So the statements of the CEO are good news.
You have to understand whats happened. PWC has quit contracts because they have seen a fraud. They wanted to prevent damage to their name if they continue to audit envion, so they had to quit.
Now the important thing: The CEO took over the company AFTER the fraud was detected (thats what the tech guys called a hijacking or a fraud to them).
But this was the only way to ensure, that only a small part of the money (some millions) is gone. He saved the money of the investors. The money is still on envions bank account available.
The only problem (for the ICO investors!!!) is now, that dividends will be created later as planned.
So the money is saved. Envion will probably become real (later as planned) and dividends will be created in some months. Maybe end of the year. But the money was saved.
So I can only repeat. Consider this as GOOD NEWS. Because somebody tried to steal money and the CEO detected it and saved a huge part of the money.
If the tech guys would be right, the money would have been gone. Then everyone had to wait for some civil court decisions. I think that would take years. But at least I'm sure that this version of the story is correct. Otherwise noone could explain why PWC left envion alone after the creation of the token and NOT after the took over of the majority of the company from the CEO. Just look at the timing.
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May 18, 2018, 06:24:59 PM |
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news update on envion-recovery [18 may] https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/Token-Swap-Structure: All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens where are the illigal tokens sold? Look over the domain name that is not from original project so you should wait instead fell into this kind of trap. In latest update the team explained in details they are still working hard to find a reasonable solution for all community. https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5 |
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May 18, 2018, 06:48:03 PM |
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envion investors and bounty hunters really worry about envion project current sitaution. i hope envion will be back on track very soon. i really appretiate envion team struggle but when they do not answer then .. we are get bit hype. i will wait little more and please fix the problem as soon as possible. good luck.  |
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May 18, 2018, 07:15:58 PM |
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I am definitely on the side of the Envion Founders.
Mr Woestmann is the one to blame and justice will be done to him. Don't fall for his tricks
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May 18, 2018, 07:22:33 PM |
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After reading this last update which appeared couple of hours ago. I think this case will not take much time to reach at some solution. They are using legal actions against each other and who will remain winner will have funds and continue development. This is also getting public attention as scandals also are good source of marketing and publicity.
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May 18, 2018, 07:25:14 PM |
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news update on envion-recovery [18 may] https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/Token-Swap-Structure: All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens where are the illigal tokens sold? Look over the domain name that is not from original project so you should wait instead fell into this kind of trap. In latest update the team explained in details they are still working hard to find a reasonable solution for all community. https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5Do a research. https://envion-recovery.org/ This is the website of CEO Mattias Woestmann. |
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May 18, 2018, 07:41:15 PM |
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They are playing like children over the reputation of company. Who will want to trust on either side in future even these issues will reach to an end as usual happens in such fights. This new site and legal and illegal tokens are just creating confusion much more and will make things more worse. People are buying from exchanges, all is just mess at this point.
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ansi
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May 18, 2018, 07:48:03 PM |
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The funny part are those fanatic living their state of denials:" no they didn't exit scam, they are great, they'll be back again " lol, when they're gonna be back  No they don't answer that haha. People will never accept the facts that this is a dead SCAM project already. That Laurent dude just wanna hear these kind of typical stupid / naive comments in telegram: " thank you Laurent, we support you & EVN " lol. They keep accusing the CEO, endless drama, so after all this blaming, what are your legal processes to do that? None so far & not willing to say what are they gonna do about it haha. |
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herromerro
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May 18, 2018, 08:01:30 PM |
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Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
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Ye that CEO is making the most sense to me I don't recall reading anything about extra 20 million coins if it was just for the bountys that's fine but for Founders and Company after they already took a big slice that doesn't sound right I wouldn't have invested if that was made clear because that's way to much. Where the founders even allowed to sell their tokens ? seems strange to me that there wasn't a clause preventing them from doing that. Especially since the Founders didn't disclose they sold all their tokens on Hitbtc. |
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May 19, 2018, 09:20:29 AM |
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Matthias Woestmann - CEO who has no idea what is going on in the company and/or a crook and manipulator. Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning. |
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May 19, 2018, 09:23:36 AM |
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Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
this project is not good for the crypto world. the people who have invested here will lose the trust. and it's the fault of this team. we don't need anything like this in the world. these people are unsympathetic to me and should disappear for a long time. there is enough scam in crypto. the people lose the trust and the money goes back into the wall street  |
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May 19, 2018, 09:26:21 AM |
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Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
As far as I know the public got informed about the present situation some days ago, but now we find out that they new about the problems for several months already. I am wondering why did they not inform us earlier, there were no announcements, they have changed their communication model with some monthly low-informative reports. This is definitely not how to handle a $100M ICO. Imagine you are the one who invested several thousands, went through all these KYC processes and now you're sitting with 80% less money. |
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AlloM
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May 19, 2018, 09:31:50 AM |
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Matthias Woestmann - CEO who has no idea what is going on in the company and/or a crook and manipulator. Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning. Maybe you didn't read the latest update on that issue this is happening of CEO actually he don't know how blockchain works and rest of the team against his decision. CEO has greedy behavior but the team will get succeed to find the way to move forward this project. |
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herromerro
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May 19, 2018, 11:00:38 AM |
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Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
As far as I know the public got informed about the present situation some days ago, but now we find out that they new about the problems for several months already. I am wondering why did they not inform us earlier, there were no announcements, they have changed their communication model with some monthly low-informative reports. This is definitely not how to handle a $100M ICO. Imagine you are the one who invested several thousands, went through all these KYC processes and now you're sitting with 80% less money. Exactly! Obviously things are weird for a while as the video update and the last 2 blog updates. But they seemed things are going good, they published some new miner photos but we never got regular update or logical explanations why those are not set up... more and more... |
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