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I think bounty is the last things that need to be fixed. Let's start with the ICO investors refund issue. I didn't understand how they will pay the funds to all token holders this project raised very huge amount and still no progress even they stop communication with the community too. Is there any authenticated source to let know about the progress on this refund process?
no funds will be returned, I think, because Envion has left everything like a bummer, just seeing bounty can't pay at all why do you think? Envion is a long time scammer us, but I'm confused, why aren't they removed from the market? like yobit and token store That's right, what you say, I also think so, why has Envion not been expelled from the market until now because Envion itself has clearly deceived us, the most important thing is to monitor the progress whether Envion will be expelled from the market or not |
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zahidmoon
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May 06, 2019, 09:19:17 PM |
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I think bounty is the last things that need to be fixed. Let's start with the ICO investors refund issue. I didn't understand how they will pay the funds to all token holders this project raised very huge amount and still no progress even they stop communication with the community too. Is there any authenticated source to let know about the progress on this refund process?
no funds will be returned, I think, because Envion has left everything like a bummer, just seeing bounty can't pay at all why do you think? Envion is a long time scammer us, but I'm confused, why aren't they removed from the market? like yobit and token store That's right, what you say, I also think so, why has Envion not been expelled from the market until now because Envion itself has clearly deceived us, the most important thing is to monitor the progress whether Envion will be expelled from the market or not envion will expelled from the market, there are so many scam projects that are still listed on the coin marketcap and yobit but they are dead. this will soon to be delist if not then new traders and people who put their money in such dead project without research will loss. |
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May 07, 2019, 10:50:49 AM |
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why do you think? Envion is a long time scammer us, but I'm confused,
why aren't they removed from the market? like yobit and token store
Why would yobit unlist any scam tokens or care if they can profit from them? I mean it has a reputation of a shadiest exchange of the older ones out there. Envion isn't even the most obvious one. |
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Scambusterz
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May 08, 2019, 12:01:45 AM |
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I completely forgot about this project and came across this thread. Tell me, how did the trial end with these scammers? As I recall, people went to court.
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oapieNL
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May 08, 2019, 12:37:19 AM |
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Have not been here for a while, I am also curious how it all goes with the refunds. Was also an investor myself, but don't see any news yet, or did I miss something? Or will it even be so bad that they not only scammed with envion, but also fake the fact that the court has made a judgment. Wall that all fakes is also very simple. Spread fake news to a few media websites and the rest of the media does take over message. Or will there be another manupilation going on with all sorts of scam behavior from governments and scammers. That those curators also try to work with the government to put everything in their own pocket and handle everything according to their plan. That we suddenly receive a news message on the internet that you will receive 1 dollar per token if you return it to the curator. want to earn 50 million in profits. In any case, I do not trust anyone who has anything of a connection with the government or banking or court. The whole group of people in that category are even worse if the rig in syria is chopping heads all day. Why? because they feel supperieur and they only see power, money and they don't like ordinary people. only if you give them money they like you for 5 seconds. Or are they too busy trading our money. Banks have been running fraud for a year through bitmex. (1 ceo formal trader for the deutche bank. The 2nd ceo was trading software developer of the JPmorgan bank. To start bitmex they are going to settle in asia so that it is not punishable in their country america and england. Pay the refund out over 382 days. zo the hodlers get there profits on the bitcoin price inflation  |
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May 08, 2019, 06:15:29 AM |
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I completely forgot about this project and came across this thread. Tell me, how did the trial end with these scammers? As I recall, people went to court.
no one knows about the continuation of the Envion team in court, are they in jail or maybe they are having fun enjoying money stolen by ICO |
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lembang
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May 08, 2019, 07:21:02 AM |
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I completely forgot about this project and came across this thread. Tell me, how did the trial end with these scammers? As I recall, people went to court.
no one knows about the continuation of the Envion team in court, are they in jail or maybe they are having fun enjoying money stolen by ICO It seems that now people are in this area not because the project is in trouble but wants to see the team in prison but don't find the news and the news from the team isn't there so we better just close this damn thread |
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May 08, 2019, 08:09:23 AM |
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I completely forgot about this project and came across this thread. Tell me, how did the trial end with these scammers? As I recall, people went to court.
no one knows about the continuation of the Envion team in court, are they in jail or maybe they are having fun enjoying money stolen by ICO Maybe all of us here are curious about what happened to this Envion team, but somehow I personally don't really care about what happened to the Envion team and if indeed they are in prison it certainly becomes interesting news |
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May 08, 2019, 05:20:47 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team   |
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May 08, 2019, 05:49:39 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. |
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May 09, 2019, 03:27:06 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail |
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May 10, 2019, 10:43:07 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail If the real Investors who bought in private sale still following their asses, Envion team they have 2 choices, whether to pay them or go to jail, there i no 3rd choice for them. If it's really German based like they claimed, sooner or later they'll go to jail. This is the biggest SCAM in crypto so far, it's $90M worth of ICO money vanished just like that... |
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May 11, 2019, 04:00:16 AM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail This is very interesting because the team just ran away from this project and of course we all hope that the team can be immediately arrested and jailed so let's see the progress later |
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May 11, 2019, 06:17:56 AM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail Yes, many people have fed up with the Envion company because how can they cheat the investors without any proper product in their company. Really some times it is very frustrating to imagine like they have collected more than 100 million from the investors, which till now they didn't any funds return to the investors. Many people saying the government will arrest the envion team but till now we don't see anything happened to them. |
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zahidmoon
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May 22, 2019, 05:57:42 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail Yes, many people have fed up with the Envion company because how can they cheat the investors without any proper product in their company. Really some times it is very frustrating to imagine like they have collected more than 100 million from the investors, which till now they didn't any funds return to the investors. Many people saying the government will arrest the envion team but till now we don't see anything happened to them. after envion ICO finished they purchased alot of mining hardware for mine crypto currency now my question is where are those equipment they purchased for mining. envion is end up with failure, no news about that hardware GPUs. if anyone have any info about that please share. thank you. |
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May 22, 2019, 06:42:38 PM |
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This is scam project they ran away with the whole money and now they are not around this. It is only the investors who still dreaming to get back their money but they spent and nothing to make refund. I already lost my hope to get recover my funds from this project.
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May 30, 2019, 03:36:53 PM |
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Fuck yeah...lets to jail whit that team It's not easy to make this happen even all investors are into big trouble since beginning of this project. I think everyone want to make recover his money if it could happen but hopes are really smart. almost 100 million USD Envion got it from investors, and it looks very promising, but this project is ultimately like garbage! everyone was disappointed because the team ran away, I hope the team will be arrested immediately and go to jail If the real Investors who bought in private sale still following their asses, Envion team they have 2 choices, whether to pay them or go to jail, there i no 3rd choice for them. If it's really German based like they claimed, sooner or later they'll go to jail. This is the biggest SCAM in crypto so far, it's $90M worth of ICO money vanished just like that... only what is fucked up: Crime is rewarded. who doesn't want to spend a few months in jail or have to clean up leaves for a few hours as a punishment. That 100mil is still easily earned. |
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Nobody ran away with USD 100 million. The 100 million was just a (marketing) number and it reflected only the value of the funds from the Envion ICO at the very peak of the cryptomarkets in January 2018. In reality around USD 50-60 million was immediately converted to FIAT and kept in banks in Liechtenstein, thanks to Woestmann. The remaining crypto was never transferred to Envion (thanks to Michael Luckow, Trado GmbH), who kept the crypto as hostage for no obvious reasons known to the public. This is highly criminal and will be subject of courts in Germany. --------------------------------------------------------
In total, Envion had maybe around USD 80 million. Now there is around USD 43 million in banks and the outstanding amount of (stolen) crypto by Luckow.
That's around USD 50 million left for a possible refund.
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The courts in Germany and the liquidator in Switzerland are now the once who will bring more light into the case, after FINMA has reported and closed the probe. Another (not so) small detail: The former member of board Cyrill Staeger (LinkedIn: https://ch.linkedin.com/in/cyrill-a-st%C3%A4ger-71357073) took for himself around half Million out of the bank on his very last official day. Next day he resigned. Liquidator has the details and will hopefully go after him as well. Blame all of them (Founders, Board Members and BaFin/FINMA) for mismanagement and delay to deliver. Hard lesson, with a partial refund we may see some good news in the end. Some useful links: . |
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June 05, 2019, 04:03:11 AM |
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Nobody ran away with USD 100 million. The 100 million was just a (marketing) number and it reflected only the value of the funds from the Envion ICO at the very peak of the cryptomarkets in January 2018. In reality around USD 50-60 million was immediately converted to FIAT and kept in banks in Liechtenstein, thanks to Woestmann. The remaining crypto was never transferred to Envion (thanks to Michael Luckow, Trado GmbH), who kept the crypto as hostage for no obvious reasons known to the public. This is highly criminal and will be subject of courts in Germany. --------------------------------------------------------
In total, Envion had maybe around USD 80 million. Now there is around USD 43 million in banks and the outstanding amount of (stolen) crypto by Luckow.
That's around USD 50 million left for a possible refund.
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The courts in Germany and the liquidator in Switzerland are now the once who will bring more light into the case, after FINMA has reported and closed the probe. Another (not so) small detail: The former member of board Cyrill Staeger (LinkedIn: https://ch.linkedin.com/in/cyrill-a-st%C3%A4ger-71357073) took for himself around half Million out of the bank on his very last official day. Next day he resigned. Liquidator has the details and will hopefully go after him as well. Blame all of them (Founders, Board Members and BaFin/FINMA) for mismanagement and delay to deliver. Hard lesson, with a partial refund we may see some good news in the end. Some useful links: . that is still great amount to be refund. i thought refunds are completed and project is closed but 43 million is still behind for refund. poor people who lost their money for nothing. thanks for sharing these details this was a huge mismanagement and the whole team is responsible for that, partial refund in the end will just nothing for investors. that is why crypto lost their in interest, actually blockchain is an advance technology and people are not ready yet to use it but in future they will hopefully |
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June 05, 2019, 07:59:36 AM |
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I completely forgot about this project and came across this thread. Tell me, how did the trial end with these scammers? As I recall, people went to court.
no one knows about the continuation of the Envion team in court, are they in jail or maybe they are having fun enjoying money stolen by ICO I think people don't have any hope on this project but they are hoping whether they will get refund what they invested on the project. Investors have been waiting for the positive update from the company whether they will distribute the people invested money to them or not? |
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