Axorb/ mukundh3 [Resolved]

[buysellbitcoin]

You and buysellbitco.in are the only 2 people that I have ever recommended to anyone to buy without escrow. That may be the only mistake that I have made and I will not repeat that mistake.

I do agree with your stance on not recommending any one as Mod.. But Mod is also a person and can have opinions.. He is not a judge or something like that who can not say ok i will recommend this or that.. As far as being mod, I see your responsibility only to avoid spam, organize the board and make sure the discussions are on topic. I do not see you as scam protector or internet police. People must use precaution to save them selves from scam. It is not your duty to save every one out here.

As far as I can understand all Pinwheel is saying is that people jumping in on each trade with offers like below :

Doing a transaction this size would definitely help me clear my name and get some recognition to KROGYAN.

I m from kolkata, I ll provide my PAN and Bank details.

I'll give you similar rates of what you are asking.

I wont risk my own money into this but would definitely like to talk about it in PM if you would.

which I personally do not think is wrong.. But I agree with Pinwheel's concerns that people may get scammed if they do not take enough precaution. But IMHO Pinwheel is being too harsh.

Any ways good luck to everyone involved in this transaction...

Cheers

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[Benson Samuel]

I do agree with your stance on not recommending any one as Mod.. But Mod is also a person and can have opinions.. He is not a judge or something like that who can not say ok i will recommend this or that.. As far as being mod, I see your responsibility only to avoid spam, organize the board and make sure the discussions are on topic. I do not see you as scam protector or internet police. People must use precaution to save them selves from scam. It is not your duty to save every one out here.

I love posting my opinions, recommendations, thoughts, etc as a person, not a mod. buysellbitco.in is spot on with my responsibilities on the forum.
Internet Policing, Scam chasing, Escrow, Jokes, posts etc are all things that I do as a Bitcoiner, not as a Moderator.
If someone asks me to arbitrate a problem, I will help for sure and I do not care if my opinions are heard or not. I will try my best to stop scams if I am sure that something is not in place.

As far as I can understand all Pinwheel is saying is that people jumping in on each trade with offers like below :
Quote from: legendster on June 12, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
Doing a transaction this size would definitely help me clear my name and get some recognition to KROGYAN.

I m from kolkata, I ll provide my PAN and Bank details.

I'll give you similar rates of what you are asking.

I wont risk my own money into this but would definitely like to talk about it in PM if you would.

The above post was funny to me to be honest. Which mature individual in their right minds would even think of considering an attempt at assuming that this could have reached the point of sale.

This is free market economics and yes, they also have scammers, exotic dancers and subvolatil.

[subvolatil]

I do agree with your stance on not recommending any one as Mod.. But Mod is also a person and can have opinions.. He is not a judge or something like that who can not say ok i will recommend this or that.. As far as being mod, I see your responsibility only to avoid spam, organize the board and make sure the discussions are on topic. I do not see you as scam protector or internet police. People must use precaution to save them selves from scam. It is not your duty to save every one out here.

I love posting my opinions, recommendations, thoughts, etc as a person, not a mod. buysellbitco.in is spot on with my responsibilities on the forum.
Internet Policing, Scam chasing, Escrow, Jokes, posts etc are all things that I do as a Bitcoiner, not as a Moderator.
If someone asks me to arbitrate a problem, I will help for sure and I do not care if my opinions are heard or not. I will try my best to stop scams if I am sure that something is not in place.

As far as I can understand all Pinwheel is saying is that people jumping in on each trade with offers like below :
Quote from: legendster on June 12, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
Doing a transaction this size would definitely help me clear my name and get some recognition to KROGYAN.

I m from kolkata, I ll provide my PAN and Bank details.

I'll give you similar rates of what you are asking.

I wont risk my own money into this but would definitely like to talk about it in PM if you would.

The above post was funny to me to be honest. Which mature individual in their right minds would even thing of considering an attempt at assuming that this could have reached the point of sale.

This is free market economics and yes, they also have scammers, exotic dancers and subvolatil.

hey whats my name  doing  here.  granted  i'm special, and you  guys  just love me  so much, but  dam ....  next  to an  exotic dancer.. now  that is  just not true.. may be  in college, but  those  were   old  time   lol  

[Benson Samuel]

hey whats my name  doing  here.  granted  i'm special, and you  guys  just love me  so much, but  dam ....  next  to an  exotic dancer.. now  that is  just not true.. may be  in college, but  those  were   old  time   lol

Lol, not sure mate. When I write, words simply flow and somehow subvolatil followed exotic dancers.

Hahaha, now that sounded even weirder.

[subvolatil]

looks  like  someone's  got  a  crush  setting  on  lol  ...   seeing   exotic  dancers  as me  hum.....  dont know if it  could be  a complement  or not.....  but any  ways  it  better  that nothing.  

[Pinwheel]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

[subvolatil]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

Play it  cool, you   know  how  to  identify scammers,  if   people  become  even  a little  suspicious  just  cut  communication.
In regards  to  other  sellers  cutting  you  off.  just  take  it  easy. free  enterprises will always  give  rise  to  alot  of  competition .  I  say  every  thing  is  ok  as  long  as   deals on both  sides  are done with honor. 

[Benson Samuel]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

You should see some of the calls that I get Pinwheel. And the best part is that I don't even do trades that much. I also know that buysellbitco.in has his share of problems as well. I know few people who came forward and then had to step down due to several issues revolving around the lack of an easy entry barrier to Bitcoin.

This is not just in India, but a global problem.

Let us know if you would like some help. Do pass on information such as IP addresses, phone numbers, names, etc and we can launch a community effort to weed India of this problem.

And remember, I am not offering to do this as a moderator, but as a friend and a fellow Bitcoiner who has a lot of respect for your role in Bitcoin.

[mukundh3]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

You should see some of the calls that I get Pinwheel. And the best part is that I don't even do trades that much. I also know that buysellbitco.in has his share of problems as well. I know few people who came forward and then had to step down due to several issues revolving around the lack of an easy entry barrier to Bitcoin.

This is not just in India, but a global problem.

Let us know if you would like some help. Do pass on information such as IP addresses, phone numbers, names, etc and we can launch a community effort to weed India of this problem.

And remember, I am not offering to do this as a moderator, but as a friend and a fellow Bitcoiner who has a lot of respect for your role in Bitcoin.

Hi mate, just wanted to say a few things. My payment just came through, and was in contact with axorb the entire time, but was definately stressed to say the least, and in retrospect, i lost alot of time and money also because of the delay's, so yes i should have taken more of an initial effort on my part, and i did a check on his address, which shows that u got the coins just some time back, so yes maybe he did take my money and buy the coins (i would not even have had a problem with this, except that i was told ill get the coin latest today morning, and ive lost a decent sum because i could not). That being said, i would do business again with axorb. And yes, not going on escrow was a risk im not sure i should take again, the grey hairs ive got today would say its not worth it. Thanks everyone for your replies, i know i could have got scammed very easily, good thing axorb is a good guy, thank god and thank karma

[Benson Samuel]

Can you provide the transaction hash or an address, I am sure that Pinwheel will feel much better after that bit.

[mukundh3]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

Bro listen, im only going to do this once, you were originally being productive on my thread, thank you, and i definately will check that seller has coins in future next time. But you have to stop your whining. It's an open market, i dunno if anyone has explained economics to you.

Sorry mate, first time trading, taking me some time to gauge the best and safest method to buy. People are offering better deals than yours, but they are all involving cash deposit, and im still a little vary. Last offer, but would you consider doing avg price +5%? So around 20*(1.05*100.5)*57.01=1,20,320? Let me know mate. It'll take me some time to find that reliance mart but i think i can make it there

my rate is 6500 for today

Read that a couple of times before you reply. I say last offer, and i tell u in a previous pm that 10% on goxl is too high. I remember checking the price when you replied, and 6500 was a little more than 10% at the time. So no, i got peeved and i didn't reply, sorry if i hurt your ego man. But i wasnt going to pay 10% more on such a big deal because you think your some cybergod with 200 btc.

[Pinwheel]

selling this circus, for some serious people, who considering investing into bitcoins is a jaw dropping.

I dont care who is scamming, who is not scamming as long it did not come to me. And it did come to me at this time. Some kids calling me, trying to fix price, asking were I live, proposing to meet, lakhs deals  ect. I guess been mixed in shit is a part of been bitcoiner in India

You should see some of the calls that I get Pinwheel. And the best part is that I don't even do trades that much. I also know that buysellbitco.in has his share of problems as well. I know few people who came forward and then had to step down due to several issues revolving around the lack of an easy entry barrier to Bitcoin.

This is not just in India, but a global problem.

Let us know if you would like some help. Do pass on information such as IP addresses, phone numbers, names, etc and we can launch a community effort to weed India of this problem.

And remember, I am not offering to do this as a moderator, but as a friend and a fellow Bitcoiner who has a lot of respect for your role in Bitcoin.

what I expect from you is doing your job as staff and mod. Start giving TAGs and try to clean this section of forums from these narcissistic kids. But seems like you are not the man up to the job. You cannot see difference between buying Sony TV and scam btc sale offer. Get it clear in your head first, what you want this place to be and how you want the other people value your offers.

[mukundh3]

http://blockchain.info/tx/135841b73e01bc7adbb292796c0a05cd43d2cdc7fef9c001cf18cf8fcbaf9917
No sensitive info there right?

[Benson Samuel]

http://blockchain.info/tx/135841b73e01bc7adbb292796c0a05cd43d2cdc7fef9c001cf18cf8fcbaf9917
No sensitive info there right?

This shows 10 BTC. Where is the 20?

[Benson Samuel]

what I expect from you is doing your job as staff and mod. Start giving TAGs and try to clean this section of forums from these narcissistic kids. But seems like you are not the man up to the job. You cannot see difference between buying Sony TV and scam btc sale offer. Get it clear in your head first, what you want this place to be and how you want the other people value your offers.

You do not know what my job is, so stop flaffing.

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Any scam accusations need to be made here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 for now.

This is a free speech forum. People are welcome here with controversial ideas and thought provoking discussions. Stopping them without proof is what could have happened to any of us as well.

Do not mistake politeness for weakness. I like to avoid aggression under all circumstances, but I will not take crap from someone who has been speculating a scam here for the past few days and nothing seems to have happened. And then, he has the balls to accuse me of facilitating scammers.

If you want to control the market, do it on your own terms, do not ask me to accept what you think is correct. But if any other senior members of the community feel that the approach needs to be tweaked, do let me know. I am darn open to feedback which makes sense.

So either you are wrong or you are upset that you did not get the sale.

Man up. It will get worse than this as time passes.

[Benson Samuel]

Read that a couple of times before you reply. I say last offer, and i tell u in a previous pm that 10% on goxl is too high. I remember checking the price when you replied, and 6500 was a little more than 10% at the time. So no, i got peeved and i didn't reply, sorry if i hurt your ego man. But i wasnt going to pay 10% more on such a big deal because you think your some cybergod with 200 btc.

This was unnecessary. Now, even I would like to see proof of 20 BTC.

[escrow.ms]

I think this sale of 20 btc is a fake, show me this 20btc transaction to prove other wise. If not it is a scam.

You are actually right about fake deal and fake vouch, i mean anyone can make a new account and show that he bought/sold bitcoins from/to his 2nd account and i guess you have right to ask for proof of transaction that happened between buyer/seller, if they fail to provide it, they are probably setting up a scam.

I mean i've been into currency exchange business from many years, i have seen peoples making fake accounts and doing deal with their main account and building fake reputation to do big scam one day.

Ps: pinwheel bro i think there is some misunderstanding between "providing item that you don't have" and "safe trading". Actually it depends on persons reputation.

Scam:
If someone with low/no reputation doesn't have something and he's asking for payment first.

Possible scam:
If someone doesn't have something and he's taking payment first to provide item.

Safe Trading/Business:

If someone (with good reputation obviously) doesn't have item but he agrees for a deal and ask "A" to send money to escrow, then he buy's item from  "B" at low rate and sell's them to "A", takes payment from him and then makes payment to "B".


^ Here if person doesn't have good reputation, he can take payment from A and scam person "B" easily.

[Benson Samuel]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210760.msg2481255#msg2481255

It is a 10 BTC sale, not 20. But I would like to see the seller address that has 20 BTC.

[buysellbitcoin]

Buying 10 btc from axorb. Will keep you all updated

I think mukundh3 was buying 10 BTC only for first trade.

[Benson Samuel]

Buying 10 btc from axorb. Will keep you all updated

I think mukundh3 was buying 10 BTC only for first trade.

As per previous post. But if you notice, the seller address does not have 20 BTC.

Balance was: 10.12081085 BTC