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November 06, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
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Recently bought a HP Envy Laptop, cost me over £1000. Any way I want to download Bitcoin Core on it & keep a wallet on this laptop. I noticed that the laptop uses NVIDIA Geoforce as some kind of graphic card.

I did a quick google on them as I’m ultra paranoid about where I keep my bitcoin’s, it seems they are primarily a company that designs graphic cards for gaming experiences etc but it says on wiki -

**Corporation (/ɪnˈvɪdiə/ in-VID-eeə)[3] (most commonly referred to as Nvidia, stylized as NVIDIA, nVIDIA or nvidia) is an American technology company based in Santa Clara, California. It designs graphics processing units (GPUs) for the gaming, cryptocurrency, and professional markets, as well as system on a chip units (SoCs) for the mobile computing and automotive market. Its primary GPU product line, labeled "GeForce", is in direct competition with Advanced Micro Devices' (AMD) "Radeon" products. Nvidia expanded its presence in the gaming industry with its handheld Shield Portable, Shield Tablet and Shield Android TV.**

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Now, am I safe here? There isn’t going to be any risk to my bitcoin’s here? I dunno, no backdoor key loggers etc?
One of you gifted tech guys put my mind at ease please?

Thanks so much in advance.

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November 06, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
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Nvidia is a huge corporation which you can trust. Windows 10 on the other hand has a built-in keylogger. But it's the not the corporations you should be afraid of, rather hackers.

Consider buying an hardware wallet if you keep loads of bitcoins, otherwise chill out Cheesy

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November 06, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
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Recently bought a HP Envy Laptop, cost me over £1000. Any way I want to download Bitcoin Core on it & keep a wallet on this laptop. I noticed that the laptop uses NVIDIA Geoforce as some kind of graphic card.

I did a quick google on them as I’m ultra paranoid about where I keep my bitcoin’s, it seems they are primarily a company that designs graphic cards for gaming experiences etc but it says on wiki -

**Corporation (/ɪnˈvɪdiə/ in-VID-eeə)[3] (most commonly referred to as Nvidia, stylized as NVIDIA, nVIDIA or nvidia) is an American technology company based in Santa Clara, California. It designs graphics processing units (GPUs) for the gaming, cryptocurrency, and professional markets, as well as system on a chip units (SoCs) for the mobile computing and automotive market. Its primary GPU product line, labeled "GeForce", is in direct competition with Advanced Micro Devices' (AMD) "Radeon" products. Nvidia expanded its presence in the gaming industry with its handheld Shield Portable, Shield Tablet and Shield Android TV.**

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Now, am I safe here? There isn’t going to be any risk to my bitcoin’s here? I dunno, no backdoor key loggers etc?
One of you gifted tech guys put my mind at ease please?

Thanks so much in advance.

Well, why don't you keep no more than you could afford to lose on a wallet on that laptop? Put the rest in off line cold storage of one sort or another.

Since the bitcoins are actually really on the blockchain, not in the wallet...what the wallet has is means of moving values around on the blockchain. The way to not have risk of things moving without your wanting them to is to not have wallets on computers.
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November 06, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
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Recently bought a HP Envy Laptop, cost me over £1000. Any way I want to download Bitcoin Core on it & keep a wallet on this laptop. I noticed that the laptop uses NVIDIA Geoforce as some kind of graphic card.

I did a quick google on them as I’m ultra paranoid about where I keep my bitcoin’s, it seems they are primarily a company that designs graphic cards for gaming experiences etc but it says on wiki -

**Corporation (/ɪnˈvɪdiə/ in-VID-eeə)[3] (most commonly referred to as Nvidia, stylized as NVIDIA, nVIDIA or nvidia) is an American technology company based in Santa Clara, California. It designs graphics processing units (GPUs) for the gaming, cryptocurrency, and professional markets, as well as system on a chip units (SoCs) for the mobile computing and automotive market. Its primary GPU product line, labeled "GeForce", is in direct competition with Advanced Micro Devices' (AMD) "Radeon" products. Nvidia expanded its presence in the gaming industry with its handheld Shield Portable, Shield Tablet and Shield Android TV.**

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Now, am I safe here? There isn’t going to be any risk to my bitcoin’s here? I dunno, no backdoor key loggers etc?
One of you gifted tech guys put my mind at ease please?

Thanks so much in advance.
They are just telling their introductory about on their product which is totally not alarming regarding on the privacy of your files or any other informations.If it does then all of laptop manufacturers or company do have our information if they would like to but i guess they wont do such thing.I think theres a possibility but they wont really risk the reputation of the company was being built for how many years.There would be no such thing about backdoors or keyloggers and i would say its still safe to download bitcoin core.

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November 07, 2017, 01:18:08 AM
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Your worries are ill-founded in respect to nVidia. nVidia makes GPUs which have been used in the past for mining Bitcoin but not so much nowadays as they cannot keep up with special-purpose mining chips. Other cryptocurrencies beside Bitcoin still utilize GPU mining.

Your primary worry with any cryptocurrency (and especially Bitcoin) is the security of your private key. In practical terms, "private key" is usually synonymous with "a wallet". "A wallet" is distinct from your "wallet software" - the wallet software can manage many wallets. Each wallet can contain Bitcoins and you want to keep any wallet with a non-zero balance secure.

If you are putting a lot of money into Bitcoin, I would recommend that you first start with a very small amount, like, $100. Choose and download a wallet app and buy an initial amount of Bitcoin. Taking care to thoroughly read all instructions and asking for help if needed, practice exporting your wallet to a file and then importing it back into the wallet software. Once you are confident in how to do this, you are ready to manually manage a wallet.

If you are concerned about theft of your private key from your consumer PC (a perfectly valid concern, by the way), there are a variety of options available. If you trust hardware wallets, you can buy one of those. Another option is to use a dedicated PC for generating the private key for your "cold wallet", that is, the wallet you will be putting into cold-storage (private key not stored on any digital file, for example, on paper or in steel). It's difficult to give exact parameters on what sort of OS/hardware you should use because it just depends on your level of paranoia. One way you could go would be to use a Tails Linux desktop with no Wifi or wired networking to generate the private key for your wallet, use it to sign a transaction to that wallet address, save the wallet to cold-storage, move the transaction over an air gap to a networked PC and execute it, and then power off the desktop, wiping the key from the system. For very large amounts of money (say $100k+), I would use no less security than this.

Hope that helps. Bitcoin is like cash - lose it and it's gone. Do your homework. Start small and work your way up. Be safe.
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November 08, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
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Nvidia is a huge corporation which you can trust. Windows 10 on the other hand has a built-in keylogger. But it's the not the corporations you should be afraid of, rather hackers.

Consider buying an hardware wallet if you keep loads of bitcoins, otherwise chill out Cheesy

Windows 10 has a keylogger?
where is it?
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November 08, 2017, 11:12:19 AM
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Nvidia is a huge corporation which you can trust. Windows 10 on the other hand has a built-in keylogger. But it's the not the corporations you should be afraid of, rather hackers.

Consider buying an hardware wallet if you keep loads of bitcoins, otherwise chill out Cheesy

Windows 10 has a keylogger?
where is it?

I did not know windows 10 had a keylogger either.
'Many Windows 10 users are unknowingly sending the contents of every keystroke they make to Microsoft due to an enabled-by-default keylogger.'
turn it off - https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/03/microsoft-windows-10-keylogger-enabled-default-heres-disable/
I am thinking why does it have it and that it is a potential target for hackers?


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November 09, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
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Bump - Help appreciated (from genuine tech savvy people, not noobs posting for sig campaigns)

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November 09, 2017, 04:54:25 PM
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In theory any computer built after 2009 could potentially have firmware, drivers, or software that is designed to secretly leak your bitcoin private keys.  If it did, the manufacturer probably wouldn't tell you so.

You'll have to decide for yourself just how paranoid you are of that.  If you are exceptionally concerned, then you should consider an offline solution.

The fact that NVidia marketing states that the GPUs can be used for cryptocurrency is simply an acknowledgement of how the GPUs are being used (People use them to mine cryptocurrencies that don't yet have ASIC support).  It doesn't mean that GPU is designed to take your bitcoins, and it doesn't mean that it isn't designed to take your bitcoins.

Generally, I believe that most hardware from major corporations doesn't have such malicious intent (too much risk that someone would notice and the revelation would completely destroy the business), but if I was working with very large value, I'd probably use an offline solution (Such as Armory or Electrum offline).


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November 09, 2017, 05:08:24 PM
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As usual great insight Danny. I don’t listen to many others here. Appreciated.

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What part of your question is unanswered? nVidia is not going to steal your bitcoins or send your private keys out from your computer. The GPU doesn't even know you're mining cryptocurrency instead of computer graphics - it all looks the same to the hardware. In any case, nobody seriously uses GPUs for mining Bitcoin nowadays, it's just not profitable.
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November 09, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
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>>In theory any computer built after 2009 could ..
in practice most electronic devices can and have been compromised. if there was a big objective behind.
read snowden papers. all your mobiles and tablets....open books..
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