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November 10, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
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Hey Guys,

I'm from Macedonia, but I'm writing here because it's relevant to you guys. (In English, so that I can clearly express myself)

I think that we can bring value back to this long lost currency. It's been about 24 years now. The currency doesn't have to hold a nationalistic agenda of course.

It would just be a way to give meaning and value to old and forgotten Yugoslavian bank notes. The billions upon billions.

What do you guys think?

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November 10, 2017, 07:39:59 PM
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Sounds interesting, but how do you plan to do it? Erc20 token called Dinar? Or something else. I don't see the point in creating so much tokens with the same purpose - to become a way of payment for merchandise. There's bunch of them already and all are the same. The difference is just the size of the community. I don't see how could we grow a community with token whose name doesn't mean anything to people outside the countries of the former Yugoslavia.

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November 10, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
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Is it going to have a 60% yearly inflation rate?

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November 10, 2017, 09:38:54 PM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

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November 10, 2017, 09:44:55 PM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

I would call that a conservative estimation on country scale. But on the other hand it is probably lover for Croatians who are into crypto stuff. I have them pegged as younger generation with less memories about the whole unfortunate situation.

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November 11, 2017, 12:21:57 AM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

I would call that a conservative estimation on country scale. But on the other hand it is probably lover for Croatians who are into crypto stuff. I have them pegged as younger generation with less memories about the whole unfortunate situation.

That's a wrong assumption.

Crypto users tend to be more into freedom, capitalism and free contracts among individuals.
Bitcoin users have the highest rate of libertarians than I have seen in any other group.

There will actually be more people in crypto who hate Tito than in the physical world.

Fuck Tito.
Fuck communism.
Fuck theft.

Get a job.
Work.

Don't steal.

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November 11, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

I would call that a conservative estimation on country scale. But on the other hand it is probably lover for Croatians who are into crypto stuff. I have them pegged as younger generation with less memories about the whole unfortunate situation.
In Yugoslavia we had factories, money, cheap apartments, cars.
In Croatia we don't have factories, we don't have money, we have expensive apartments and cars, credits credits and more credits, people are leaving country because either they can't find job or they are working for peanuts.
Younger population is even worst because they are listening brainwashers on TV and they are acting like they have horse blinkers on their eyes and they can't see these facts.

I like OP's idea and nostalgia but i don't see how that crypto can succeed, there are thousands of altcoins and erc20 tokens with no real use.

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November 11, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

I would call that a conservative estimation on country scale. But on the other hand it is probably lover for Croatians who are into crypto stuff. I have them pegged as younger generation with less memories about the whole unfortunate situation.
In Yugoslavia we had factories, money, cheap apartments, cars.
In Croatia we don't have factories, we don't have money, we have expensive apartments and cars, credits credits and more credits, people are leaving country because either they can't find job or they are working for peanuts.
Younger population is even worst because they are listening brainwashers on TV and they are acting like they have horse blinkers on their eyes and they can't see these facts.

I like OP's idea and nostalgia but i don't see how that crypto can succeed, there are thousands of altcoins and erc20 tokens with no real use.

We had jack shit in Yugoslavia. Well, some privileged people had something, but the rest were living very poorly. We're miles ahead of that now, thank god.

What we lack here is just a little bit of optimism. And crypto is a good start to get that optimism. Smiley
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November 12, 2017, 11:08:16 AM
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We had jack shit in Yugoslavia. Well, some privileged people had something, but the rest were living very poorly. We're miles ahead of that now, thank god.
...u Njemačkoj, Švedskoj, Austriji, Irskoj, Engleskoj i ostalim zemljama EU pa i šire. 

E pa možda bude ipak popularan taj YU coin "world wide" s obzirom da sve manje ljudi živi u hrvatskoj(zato jer nam je bolje sad  Grin).

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November 12, 2017, 03:24:42 PM
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Leave the ghosts of past in history.
For a large number of people crypto currency with that name will be repulsive. For Croatia I estimate to 60% of the population.

I would call that a conservative estimation on country scale. But on the other hand it is probably lover for Croatians who are into crypto stuff. I have them pegged as younger generation with less memories about the whole unfortunate situation.
In Yugoslavia we had factories, money, cheap apartments, cars.
In Croatia we don't have factories, we don't have money, we have expensive apartments and cars, credits credits and more credits, people are leaving country because either they can't find job or they are working for peanuts.
Younger population is even worst because they are listening brainwashers on TV and they are acting like they have horse blinkers on their eyes and they can't see these facts.

I like OP's idea and nostalgia but i don't see how that crypto can succeed, there are thousands of altcoins and erc20 tokens with no real use.

Yeah, factories that were producing jack shit
http://www.index.hr/mobile/clanak.aspx?category=Vijesti&id=816851

Overemployment, 1/3 people weren't necessary
And salaries that were shit
People here worked for 200 German Marks, while in Germany they worked for 2000
Today we work for 700€ here and for 2000€ in Germany

My parents paid 10 monthly salaries to set up a bedroom, 10 for a VCR
My uncle had to get a loan to buy a fucking vacuum cleaner (3 salaries), cars = Yugo and Zastava  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Yugoslavia was jack shit, you just weren't allowed to talk about how shitty it is so there's a myth about how good it was to pay 3 monthly salaries for a vacuum cleaner while driving a Yugo and telling yourself how good you have it going.

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November 12, 2017, 03:46:05 PM
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You just forgot to compare debt then and now. For all the luxuries that people have now price is too high and everybody has become a modern slave...

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November 12, 2017, 04:03:58 PM
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You just forgot to compare debt then and now. For all the luxuries that people have now price is too high and everybody has become a modern slave...

What luxuries were you able to afford in Yugoslavia?

Luxury to go to a free vacation to Goli otok if you said something wrong about the commies?  Smiley

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November 12, 2017, 06:46:19 PM
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You just forgot to compare debt then and now. For all the luxuries that people have now price is too high and everybody has become a modern slave...
What luxuries were you able to afford in Yugoslavia?

Luxury to go to a free vacation to Goli otok if you said something wrong about the commies?  Smiley
Bar smo imali svoje otoke.
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Yeah, factories that were producing jack shit
Tvornica koja je proizvodila "govna" i mogla ih prodati je bila jako dobra tvornica. Uostalom, kad si već spomenio zastavu, od kad je proizvodnja auta "govno"?
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Krajnje desničarske novine a kao i većina novina služe za manipulaciju ljudima i ispiranje mozga.
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Overemployment, 1/3 people weren't necessary
Znači svi su radili i imali posao.
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And salaries that were shit
Ljudi nisu bili bogati ali su imali dosta za pristojan život, nije bila borba kakva je sada da moraju raditi 2 posla ili bježati iz hrvatske.
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People here worked for 200 German Marks, while in Germany they worked for 2000
Today we work for 700€ here and for 2000€ in Germany
To je prosjek a ne stvarna situacija.
Još uvijek ima više ljudi koji rade za 400€ nego za 700+. A i tih 700€ je jako malo kad staviš na papir, s obzirom na cijene.

Uostalom, zašto slavonci koji žive uz granicu idu u bosnu i srbiju u šoping? Zašto zagorci purgeri i ostali blizu slovenije idu u sloveniju u šoping? Po nove gume za aute?
Sigurno zato što nam je sad bolje  Grin
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My uncle had to get a loan to buy a fucking vacuum cleaner (3 salaries), cars = Yugo and Zastava  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
A hoćeš reći da se sada ništa od ovog ne uzima na kredit ili na rate?
Pa ljudi kupuju na rate sve što je skuplje od 500 kuna.
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Yugoslavia was jack shit, you just weren't allowed to talk about how shitty it is so there's a myth about how good it was to pay 3 monthly salaries for a vacuum cleaner while driving a Yugo and telling yourself how good you have it going.
Koji auto hrvatska proizvodi?

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November 12, 2017, 07:38:43 PM
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Ma hajde, svi samo kukaju, a zapravo i nije toliko loše koliko bi neki htjeli prikazati. Zato i kažem, nama samo fali malo optimizma. Dobro, i reda u politici, ali to će stići tek kad prođu još dvije-tri generacije političara i kad se potpuno istrijebi jugoslavenska politička ostavština. Naravno da puno toga ne valja i da bi puno toga moglo i moralo biti bolje, no doći ćemo nadam se i do toga jednom.

Uspoređivati današnji život i tadašnji je nebo i zemlja, danas je opće blagostanje u usporedbi s tadašnjom situacijom. Bilo je nekih podobnih koji su mogli iskoristiti situaciju i živjeti dobro, no ostatku ljudi se samo prodavala magla i uvjeravalo ih se da dobro žive, a posljedice trpimo i dan danas.

Nije čak to sve skupa ni do Jugoslavije kao takve, ni do sukoba kroz koje smo prolazili, već je to jednostavno ono što nam je komunizam ostavio. I ne samo kod nas, sve europske bivše komunističke zemlje još će dugo zaostajati za onima koji nisu morali proživljavati kroz to zlo. Kad spominješ da ljudi iz naših krajeva bježe van, zapitaj se gdje to točno bježe, u koje zemlje i kakvog uređenja. S time da je to iseljavanje jednostavno posljedica slobodnog kretanja radnika više nego posljedica lošeg stanja ovdje - jednostavno ljudi idu gdje misle da će im biti bolje, ako to mogu. A ne zaboravi ni da su se ljudi masovno iseljavali i nekad.

No dobro, svatko je valjda svjedočio svojoj nekoj istini, pa onda možda bolje da se u to ne dira. Nije ovo rasprava za ovaj forum, niti je tema tako zamišljena, tako da ću tu stati.
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November 12, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
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Kako glupa argumentacija Cheesy

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Krajnje desničarske novine a kao i većina novina služe za manipulaciju ljudima i ispiranje mozga.

INDEX su krajnje desničarske novine?  Shocked

http://www.index.hr/black/clanak/mrtvaci-uzivo-katolicke-nekrofilske-orgije-su-najludji-show-na-hrtu/886983.aspx
http://novilist.hr/Vijesti/Hrvatska/Zbog-ilustracije-sa-sahovnicom-u-obliku-svastike-osnivac-Indexa-Matija-Babic-zavrsio-u-policiji

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Znači svi su radili i imali posao.

Od 200 maraka u krajnje neefikasnim i glomaznim pogonima.

Možemo i mi sada (ostvarivo je) zabraniti traktore i lopate, i dati ljudima da s kašikama kopaju njive.
100% zaposlenost, jednako kao i u Jugoslaviji.

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Ljudi nisu bili bogati ali su imali dosta za pristojan život, nije bila borba kakva je sada da moraju raditi 2 posla ili bježati iz hrvatske.

Pristojan život = hrana i mlijeko. To imamo i danas.

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To je prosjek a ne stvarna situacija.
Još uvijek ima više ljudi koji rade za 400€ nego za 700+. A i tih 700€ je jako malo kad staviš na papir, s obzirom na cijene.

Znači da je u prosjeku onaj koji je radio u Njemačkoj zarađivao 10 puta više od radnika u Jugoslaviji.
Danas u prosjeku zarađuje malo više od 3 puta.

Kuće su se podizale od mjesečnih plaća u Njemačkoj.
1971. su doznake iz inozemstva od iseljenika činile 51% izvoza.

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Uostalom, zašto slavonci koji žive uz granicu idu u bosnu i srbiju u šoping? Zašto zagorci purgeri i ostali blizu slovenije idu u sloveniju u šoping? Po nove gume za aute?
Sigurno zato što nam je sad bolje

Zašto Jugoslaveni kupuju u Trstu? Sigurno zato što ime je bolje.

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A hoćeš reći da se sada ništa od ovog ne uzima na kredit ili na rate?
Pa ljudi kupuju na rate sve što je skuplje od 500 kuna.

500 kuna = Desetina prosječne plaće
Usisavač u Jugi = 3 plaće

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Koji auto hrvatska proizvodi?

Nismo u komunizmu da država nešto proizvodi, za proizvodnju je zadužen privatni sektor.
Uz socijalistički mentalitet i 70 godina socijalističke vlasti koja krade i ubija privatni sektor jasno da nema puno mazohista koji će otvarati nešto u RH da ga država i uhljebljeni socijalisti pljačkaju, tako da danas imamo jedan jedini auto u hrvatskom privatnom sektoru - Concept One.

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Od 200 maraka u krajnje neefikasnim i glomaznim pogonima.

Možemo i mi sada (ostvarivo je) zabraniti traktore i lopate, i dati ljudima da s kašikama kopaju njive.
100% zaposlenost, jednako kao i u Jugoslaviji.
Neefikasne tvornice, obrađivanje njiva sa kašikama? Ko ti je napunio glavu s tim glupostima?
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Pristojan život = hrana i mlijeko. To imamo i danas.
Znači nije bolje nego je isto kako je i bilo u jugoslaviji?
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Zašto Jugoslaveni kupuju u Trstu? Sigurno zato što ime je bolje.
Hoćeš reći da je isto sad kao što je bilo i u jugoslaviji?
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tako da danas imamo jedan jedini auto u hrvatskom privatnom sektoru - Concept One.
Koja je korist od auta koji si može samo todorić priuštiti?
Yugo su svi mogli priuštiti.
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Nismo u komunizmu da država nešto proizvodi, za proizvodnju je zadužen privatni sektor.
Znači ipak se slažeš da se u jugoslaviji proizvodilo a u hrvatskoj ne?
Privatni sektor ili ne je zapravo nebitna stavka ako ljudi nemaju gdje raditi
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500 kuna = Desetina prosječne plaće
Usisavač u Jugi = 3 plaće
Prosječna plaća nije realna slika.
Na jednu plaću od 15000 kuna i 5 plaća od 3000 kuna prosjek je 5000 kuna  Wink
Pa eto, plati 1500 najam stana, 1000 kuna režije, za 500 kuna si napuni frižider a za ostatak kupi usisavač  Grin
Kako glupa argumentacija
Tvoja je još gluplja

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Nije mi jasno kako je rasprava o nekoj novoj ''valuti'' se pretvorila u raspravu o životu u nekadašnjoj bivšoj državi.
Ne vidim nikakvu poveznicu između ove 2 stvari.
Predlažem pokretaču teme da je zatvori, jer je rasprava ''odlutala'' daleko od onoga što je on vjerojatno htio postići, okupiti zainteresirane za pokretanje nove valute.

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Neefikasne tvornice, obrađivanje njiva sa kašikama? Ko ti je napunio glavu s tim glupostima?
Činjenice.

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Znači nije bolje nego je isto kako je i bilo u jugoslaviji?

Ti tvrdiš da je onda bilo bolje Smiley

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Koja je korist od auta koji si može samo todorić priuštiti?
Yugo su svi mogli priuštiti.

Imamo li danas više auta po glavi stanovnika ili smo onda imali? Smiley

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Znači ipak se slažeš da se u jugoslaviji proizvodilo a u hrvatskoj ne?
Privatni sektor ili ne je zapravo nebitna stavka ako ljudi nemaju gdje raditi

I u Venezueli su svi zaposleni u državi Smiley
Tamo se proizvodi.

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Prosječna plaća nije realna slika.
Na jednu plaću od 15000 kuna i 5 plaća od 3000 kuna prosjek je 5000 kuna  Wink
Pa eto, plati 1500 najam stana, 1000 kuna režije, za 500 kuna si napuni frižider a za ostatak kupi usisavač  Grin

I vidi čuda, imam usisavač i najam i režije i pun frižider od jedne plaće, a ne kao u Yugi za 3 Cheesy

Nije mi jasno kako je rasprava o nekoj novoj ''valuti'' se pretvorila u raspravu o životu u nekadašnjoj bivšoj državi.
Ne vidim nikakvu poveznicu između ove 2 stvari.
Predlažem pokretaču teme da je zatvori, jer je rasprava ''odlutala'' daleko od onoga što je on vjerojatno htio postići, okupiti zainteresirane za pokretanje nove valute.

Lijepo.
Bitcoin predstavlja slobodnu trgovinu, tržište, kapitalizam, dobrovoljne ugovore među pojedincima.
Jugoslavija je sušta suprotnost svemu što bitcoin predstavlja i jugonostalgija ovdje nema mjesta (bez kritike) [jer imamo slobodu govora Smiley ]

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[...] Predlažem pokretaču teme da je zatvori, jer je rasprava ''odlutala'' daleko od onoga što je on vjerojatno htio postići, okupiti zainteresirane za pokretanje nove valute.

I second that. OP please lock this thread...

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