Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest

[infested999]

Confirmed:

http://just-dice.blogspot.ca/2014/06/betting-and-depositing-disabled-on-jd.html

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[ReBoRn]

In case any of you investors/bettors are not in the chat currently, bets have been disabled pending the fallout of new legislation in Canada. I'm sure doog will be along shortly to post a more in depth update. All the investors are being paid out so don't panic people, give them time.

Thanks icey for this post I was unaware of this update  now I am also going to withdraw my money from site 

[escrowguy]

[VolanicEruptor]

Cool, I didn't know just-dice ran a bitcoin exchange or ATM.. i thought it was just a gambling site

[icey]

Better safe than sorry it seems. The sums of money involved here are huge, and all credit to doog taking the cautious approach. Once the dust settles and things turn out not to be as bad as first thought I'm sure people will re-invest and betting will resume.

[infested999]

Blame Canada!

[VolanicEruptor]

Cool, I didn't know just-dice ran a bitcoin exchange or ATM.. i thought it was just a gambling site

You guys should be ashamed that you were hiding bitcoin exchanges and ATMs behind a gambling site.  That's playing with fire.

[dooglus]

I guess I should take a few seconds out from trying to get the withdrawals working as smoothly as possible to confirm that we are suspending betting and deposits until it becomes clearer what the new Canadian law means for us.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Hopefully we will be able to be back up and running at some point, but for now I think it is best if you divest and withdraw your coins.

Obviously there's quite a rush of withdrawals at the moment, and I'm trying my best to keep the hot wallet full.

We don't ever spend unconfirmed "change" outputs, so there's a bit of a bottleneck in that respect. If you can't withdraw now, please wait for a block to be mined and try again.

If you need to withdraw a large (> 50 BTC) amount, please try it on the site first, and if it fails, email doog.justdice@gmail.com repeating the amount, destination address, and userid (number, on the account tab) and I will manually process your withdrawal for you.

Thanks for your patience, and sorry again that I have to do this, but I don't want to risk having your coins confiscated for "money laundering" now that Canada appears to have decided that Bitcoin is money after all.

[dooglus]

Cool, I didn't know just-dice ran a bitcoin exchange or ATM.. i thought it was just a gambling site

You guys should be ashamed that you were hiding bitcoin exchanges and ATMs behind a gambling site.  That's playing with fire.

We weren't.

Bitcoin dealing, more specifically referred to as “dealing in virtual currencies” in Bill C-31, will be subject to the record keeping, verification procedures, suspicious transaction reporting and registration requirements

Does not define “dealing in virtual currencies” - The phrase “dealing in virtual currencies” was left undefined and it is not known what the defined term will encompass in terms of business activities once defined by regulation.

Does Just-Dice "deal in virtual currency"? Since the new law doesn't define what that means, I'm erring on the side of caution.

[Lohoris]

Thanks for your patience, and sorry again that I have to do this, but I don't want to risk having your coins confiscated for "money laundering" now that Canada appears to have decided that Bitcoin is money after all.

Well done!

I'm just wondering why didn't you just hit the "send them to the emergency withdrawal address" button, instead?

[infested999]

Cool, I didn't know just-dice ran a bitcoin exchange or ATM.. i thought it was just a gambling site

You guys should be ashamed that you were hiding bitcoin exchanges and ATMs behind a gambling site.  That's playing with fire.

Do you think some prosecutors are going to know the difference between an exchange and a wallet? If they don't even know how to make a Skype call how do you think they will know what a "hash" is? Would you put your freedom on the line for some judge to try to understand what a client/server seed is?

Thanks for your patience, and sorry again that I have to do this, but I don't want to risk having your coins confiscated for "money laundering" now that Canada appears to have decided that Bitcoin is money after all.

Well done!

I'm just wondering why didn't you just hit the "send them to the emergency withdrawal address" button, instead?

Is your emergency withdrawal address up to date? How mad would you be if you put an old address you don't have anymore in there?

[VolanicEruptor]

It feels like dooglus is just confused.  The government is concerned about exchanges where a CAD/BTC exchange would be involved.  They didn't stab their flag into Bitcoin and say "WE DECLARE THIS MONEY AFTER ALL!".
The ones getting effected the most by this would be localbitcoins.com and canadianbitcoins.com (they send cash in the mail, lol) and of course ATMs.  Anything that is an isolated business within Bitcoin and has nothing to do with CAD (Canadian Dollars) would not be affected by this bill.

[infested999]

It feels like dooglus is just confused.  The government is concerned about exchanges where a CAD/BTC exchange would be involved.  They didn't stab their flag into Bitcoin and say "WE DECLARE THIS MONEY AFTER ALL!".
The ones getting effected the most by this would be localbitcoins.com and canadianbitcoins.com (they send cash in the mail, lol) and of course ATMs.  Anything that is an isolated business within Bitcoin and has nothing to do with CAD (Canadian Dollars) would not be affected by this bill.

Does Just-Dice "deal in virtual currency"?

[BayAreaCoins]

 

Good call though.

[Lohoris]

I'm just wondering why didn't you just hit the "send them to the emergency withdrawal address" button, instead?

Is your emergency withdrawal address up to date? How mad would you be if you put an old address you don't have anymore in there?

Of course it is, I would be pretty stupid otherwise.
What if there was an actual emergency, where he couldn't just wait for the people to calmly withdraw?

[f3tus]

Does Just-Dice "deal in virtual currency"? Since the new law doesn't define what that means, I'm erring on the side of caution.

But shouldn't it be irrelevant as long as the website isn't actually hosted on a Canadian server?

[infested999]

I'm just wondering why didn't you just hit the "send them to the emergency withdrawal address" button, instead?

Is your emergency withdrawal address up to date? How mad would you be if you put an old address you don't have anymore in there?

Of course it is, I would be pretty stupid otherwise.
What if there was an actual emergency, where he couldn't just wait for the people to calmly withdraw?

Then he will have to go with the emergency withdrawal addresses. Thankfully he didn't have to get there.

After about a week if someone still didn't withdraw their coins, he will have to start investigating where to send the rest of the coins.

[zimmah]

It feels like dooglus is just confused.  The government is concerned about exchanges where a CAD/BTC exchange would be involved.  They didn't stab their flag into Bitcoin and say "WE DECLARE THIS MONEY AFTER ALL!".
The ones getting effected the most by this would be localbitcoins.com and canadianbitcoins.com (they send cash in the mail, lol) and of course ATMs.  Anything that is an isolated business within Bitcoin and has nothing to do with CAD (Canadian Dollars) would not be affected by this bill.

i think so too, and i think just-dice is very cautious (overly maybe)

but on the other hand i do agree with the "better safe than sorry" approach.

Let's just wait this one out and when dust settles things can hopefully return to business again.

[cech4204a]

Site is good enough to trust them, but be carefull what you write on chat-box. I got banned for 1 hour by site owner (Dooglus) for asking if someone has bitcointalk forum account to sell (i guess chat-box is there only for dooglus-ass-lickers and mods in general). And i wagered 140+ BTC till that moment on that site and have been very active there for 1 month. Now i'm gonne, no more bets from my side.

I have never banned anyone for asking to buy a forum account. I'm not sure why you're saying I did.

I've never banned anyone for being critical of the site either. I often argue with people who have views opposed to mine, and never mute them for disagreeing with me. I do mute obvious scammers and people who are just spamming the chat with junk or advertisements. If you just keep saying "the site is rigged" but aren't willing to expand on your reasoning then I'll mute you too. I don't think any of that is unreasonable.

If you tell me what account you were on I can look at the logs and see what happened if you like.

It may be that one of the chat moderators muted you without a good reason. I'd like to look into it.

I will keep myself uncovered, but if you were a bit more interested in finding out you would allready figure it out, but as i said, you give no fuck about your players, and that includes having mods that dont give a fuck about players (they are just doing by the orders you give them).

[infested999]

Site is good enough to trust them, but be carefull what you write on chat-box. I got banned for 1 hour by site owner (Dooglus) for asking if someone has bitcointalk forum account to sell (i guess chat-box is there only for dooglus-ass-lickers and mods in general). And i wagered 140+ BTC till that moment on that site and have been very active there for 1 month. Now i'm gonne, no more bets from my side.

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00:48:40 (393) <@DeCiB3l> "Site is good enough to trust them, but be carefull what you write on chat-box. I got banned for 1 hour by site owner (Dooglus) for asking if someone has bitcointalk forum account to sell (i guess chat-box is there only for dooglus-ass-lickers and mods in
00:48:44 (393) <@DeCiB3l> lol
00:48:55 (678506) <tRicky> LOL
00:49:03 (273771) <Mikey> lol
00:49:45 (605159) <GamblingBad> where did u find that?
00:50:05 (840556) <Dorkeye> Sounds like that fuck sandi.
00:50:05 (836587) <nyla> just give it a try, has someone btctalk forum account to sell ? :D
00:50:06 (4281) <Arrogant> i'll give you .8 klye
00:50:16 (291109) <@MacBeth> @tiff if it's regulated, other laws might apply which make this site illegal to operate
00:50:17 (840556) <Dorkeye> Hello fish
00:50:25 (137298) <brad1121> @Deb how long do you expect to be down
00:50:34 (294707) <tiffany> ah
00:50:33 (4281) <Arrogant> ./ignore 840556
00:50:42 (840556) <Dorkeye> huh?
03:09:58 <system> (291109) <@MacBeth> muted (836587) <nyla> for 60 seconds