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November 13, 2017, 11:49:19 PM
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Concerning the recent and ongoing orchestrated attack on Bitcoin and the rise of countless Newbie accounts trying to deceive Bitcoin users into buying BCH or similar scam chains that feed off the original Bitcoin brand and try to damage Bitcoin itself, I suggest the implementation of certain measures on Bitcointalk in order to help stop this madness.

My suggestion: automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

Why would Bitcointalk support an altcoin that misuses its name? There is no reason to. "Bitcoin" Cash is not a legit name and must not be supported on a real Bitcoin forum.
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November 14, 2017, 12:19:50 AM
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Concerning the recent and ongoing orchestrated attack on Bitcoin and the rise of countless Newbie accounts trying to deceive Bitcoin users into buying BCH or similar scam chains that feed off the original Bitcoin brand and try to damage Bitcoin itself, I suggest the implementation of certain measures on Bitcointalk in order to help stop this madness.

My suggestion: automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

Why would Bitcointalk support an altcoin that misuses its name? There is no reason to. "Bitcoin" Cash is not a legit name and must not be supported on a real Bitcoin forum.


Where is the proof that: countless Newbie accounts trying to deceive Bitcoin users into buying BCH

Why would someone “fall for it”? Everybody is entitled to make it’s OWN decision. If you fail to do that it’s your own fault.

Bitcoin cash is an official name as it’s a fork from bitcoin itself, as well as bitcoin gold. Why would you want to change it’s name on the forum doesn’t make sense.

If you feel threatend by bitcoin cash Please join the discusion in the altcoin forum, and move this thread there
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November 14, 2017, 07:12:31 AM
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automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

I support this.

Given that it's just an alt created in a ridiculous "plot to kill BTC" and with all the massive manipulation that is going on, this is only fair.

so says YOUR opinion. if you think this forum will do that you need to review this place Cheesy
BCT is about freedom, so anyone can post w.e.(for the most part)
dont give your money to things you FEEL are a scam, plain and simple
you dont need a "daddy" here to shadow change anything posted, use your BRAINS Cheesy
alts are alts, Mother BTC is the same as it always was
if you knew more about it, you may agree, and not ask the forum to CENSOR opinions
what a dumb request lol


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November 14, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
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automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

I support this.

Given that it's just an alt created in a ridiculous "plot to kill BTC" and with all the massive manipulation that is going on, this is only fair.

so says YOUR opinion. if you think this forum will do that you need to review this place Cheesy
BCT is about freedom, so anyone can post w.e.(for the most part)
dont give your money to things you FEEL are a scam, plain and simple
you dont need a "daddy" here to shadow change anything posted, use your BRAINS Cheesy
alts are alts, Mother BTC is the same as it always was
if you knew more about it, you may agree, and not ask the forum to CENSOR opinions
what a dumb request lol

Calling this a dumb request is nothing but your arrogant opinion.

Alts are alts, but alts that steal Bitcoin's name in a plot to kill BTC (as pettybuds correctly pointed out) is an attack on the brand that Bitcoiners do not have to support. I would not call this censorship, it's merely a correction of the utterly misused name.

I see Lauda began negging supporters who went too far promoting this fake Bitcoin chain and I completely understand this decision. This deception and foul play is dangerous. Why not take care of it? Naming it Altcoin Cash is a more than fair proposal.
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November 14, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
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automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

I support this.

Given that it's just an alt created in a ridiculous "plot to kill BTC" and with all the massive manipulation that is going on, this is only fair.

so says YOUR opinion. if you think this forum will do that you need to review this place Cheesy
BCT is about freedom, so anyone can post w.e.(for the most part)
dont give your money to things you FEEL are a scam, plain and simple
you dont need a "daddy" here to shadow change anything posted, use your BRAINS Cheesy
alts are alts, Mother BTC is the same as it always was
if you knew more about it, you may agree, and not ask the forum to CENSOR opinions
what a dumb request lol

Calling this a dumb request is nothing but your arrogant opinion.

Alts are alts, but alts that steal Bitcoin's name in a plot to kill BTC (as pettybuds correctly pointed out) is an attack on the brand that Bitcoiners do not have to support. I would not call this censorship, it's merely a correction of the utterly misused name.

I see Lauda began negging supporters who went too far promoting this fake Bitcoin chain and I completely understand this decision. This deception and foul play is dangerous. Why not take care of it? Altcoin Cash is a more than fair proposal, personallly I'd replace go so far as to replace it with "scum"

It would be a bad precedent for future coins if this would succeed. Freedom of speech within the rules of the forum is in place. We don’t need people like you to dictate the rest And change names of coins you don’t like, grow up educate yourself. If something is bad discuss it but don’t censor things you don’t like.
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November 14, 2017, 10:52:43 AM
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It would be a bad precedent for future coins if this would succeed. Freedom of speech within the rules of the forum is in place. We don’t need people like you to dictate the rest And change names of coins you don’t like, grow up educate yourself. If something is bad discuss it but don’t censor things you don’t like.

You did not understand the point. This is not about censoring coins one doesn't like.

This is about a parasitic altcoin that steals the Bitcoin name and was designed to attack Bitcoin directly, deceiving the general public into thinking that this is related to the original Bitcoin, its community, and its ecosystem.

In other words - an outrageous scam.  Why would a Bitcoin forum support this?

Call it what it is, Altcoin Cash.

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November 14, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
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Anyone who intentionally tries to deceive newbies that an altcoin is Bitcoin just because it stole the "Bitcoin" name, is an untrustworthy and malicious entity that can't be trusted. Doing something again these scams:
a) Not damaging to anyone (it actually does the opposite).
b) Not hurting freedom of speech (don't mistake acceptance of any kind of scam as a requirement for honoring freedom of speech).

The forum staff must absolutely use more rigorous measures in order to minimize the damage that these "people" try to cause.


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November 14, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
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I would consider it if it became a widespread, spammy problem, but I don't think that many people are confusing Bitcoin with Bcash on this forum. If someone is fraudulently passing off Bcash as Bitcoin, the most appropriate response is probably to give that person negative trust.

I consider the name "Bitcoin Cash" to be deceptive, but that's on the people behind it: I don't consider it deceptive/fraudulent for people to merely refer to that cryptocurrency as Bitcoin Cash.

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November 14, 2017, 12:54:00 PM
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I would consider it if it became a widespread, spammy problem, but I don't think that many people are confusing Bitcoin with Bcash on this forum.
That stance is somewhat vague. As I've pointed out to you recently, there are some users who have been intentionally shilling Bcash with new threads in the Bitcoin Discussion sub-forum. Such users should be permanently banned IMO.

If someone is fraudulently passing off Bcash as Bitcoin, the most appropriate response is probably to give that person negative trust.
I fully agree.


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November 14, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
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Concerning the recent and ongoing orchestrated attack on Bitcoin and the rise of countless Newbie accounts trying to deceive Bitcoin users into buying BCH or similar scam chains that feed off the original Bitcoin brand and try to damage Bitcoin itself, I suggest the implementation of certain measures on Bitcointalk in order to help stop this madness.

My suggestion: automatically replace "Bitcoin Cash" as well as "BCH" with "Altcoin Cash" / "ACH"  in the forum software for all new posts.

Why would Bitcointalk support an altcoin that misuses its name? There is no reason to. "Bitcoin" Cash is not a legit name and must not be supported on a real Bitcoin forum.

and who the hell are you to decide?, mr NEWBIE ACC, bunch of trolls and scammers LAUDA

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ill say it here...BITCOIN CASH IS THE REAL BITCOIN

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
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ill say it here...BITCOIN CASH IS THE REAL BITCOIN

No, it is not. Tapping your ruby slippers together 3 times and repeating it will not make it true.  Smiley

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November 16, 2017, 07:18:33 PM
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Simple. Bitcoin Cash is purely Bitcoin. Shitcoins be shitcoins. Not too hard, is it?
If Bitcoin Cash is not Bitcoin (a hypothetical with which I do not agree), then this forum -- the Announcements (Altcoins) Forum -- would be a place that the creators of bitcointalk specifically set aside for discussion thereof.
You stupid piece of shit.
I'm just much bullishier on Bitcoin Cash.
Why ?
I ask with no snark or ill-intention.
Because it is purely and simply Bitcoin. In the form that I believe Satoshi intended. After all, it is Bitcoin largely as he left it, but with the insane centrally-planned production quota on transaction capacity relieved.
Bitcoin Cash _is_ Bitcoin. It's history extends unbroken back the the genesis block.
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November 16, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
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This is quite a difficult point to consider. Should we only have one Christian religion, or should schismatic religious followers of Christ be allowed to call themselves Christian. Bitcoin Cash was spawned from the Bitcoin blockchain, and as such, maybe it should be allowed to use the word "Bitcoin" with a qualifying suffix. Should it be able to call itself "Bitcoin"? Certainly not, Bitcoin as a single word should be reserved for the true and original blockchain.

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Bitcoin Cash was spawned from the Bitcoin blockchain, and as such, maybe it should be allowed to use the word "Bitcoin" with a qualifying suffix.
No. Bitcoin Cash is nothing other than a blatant scam.


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November 16, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
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It's considerably more difficult for shilling to happen here as opposed to other forms of social media, some people have considerable work invested in their accounts and we have metrics and other options to ignore the obvious spam. While I am definitely not a fan of Bitcoin Cash, replacing words is, in some ways, worse than outright censorship.

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November 16, 2017, 09:45:15 PM
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Simple. Bitcoin Cash is purely Bitcoin. Shitcoins be shitcoins. Not too hard, is it?
If Bitcoin Cash is not Bitcoin (a hypothetical with which I do not agree), then this forum -- the Announcements (Altcoins) Forum -- would be a place that the creators of bitcointalk specifically set aside for discussion thereof.
You stupid piece of shit.
I'm just much bullishier on Bitcoin Cash.
Why ?
I ask with no snark or ill-intention.
Because it is purely and simply Bitcoin. In the form that I believe Satoshi intended. After all, it is Bitcoin largely as he left it, but with the insane centrally-planned production quota on transaction capacity relieved.
Bitcoin Cash _is_ Bitcoin. It's history extends unbroken back the the genesis block.

Actively promoting Bit/Altcoin Cash to be Bitcoin -> absolutely not trustworthy.  This can and will mislead newcomers as well as those who simply don't know better and believe this user because of his 'Legendary' forum rank.


Bitcoin Cash was spawned from the Bitcoin blockchain, and as such, maybe it should be allowed to use the word "Bitcoin" with a qualifying suffix.
No. Bitcoin Cash is nothing other than a blatant scam.

Indeed.  I call it Bit/Altcoin Cash in order not to support its unconscionable misuse (and abuse) of the Bitcoin name.
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November 18, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
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It would be a bad precedent for future coins if this would succeed. Freedom of speech within the rules of the forum is in place. We don’t need people like you to dictate the rest And change names of coins you don’t like, grow up educate yourself. If something is bad discuss it but don’t censor things you don’t like.

You did not understand the point. This is not about censoring coins one doesn't like.

This is about a parasitic altcoin that steals the Bitcoin name and was designed to attack Bitcoin directly, deceiving the general public into thinking that this is related to the original Bitcoin, its community, and its ecosystem.

In other words - an outrageous scam.  Why would a Bitcoin forum support this?

Call it what it is, Altcoin Cash.



I bet that you are an troll account, itentionally created to discreditise other people believe in what is a real Bitcoin. You are a bigger problem and should be ban, with your real account.

The game is simple, Bitcoin failed to scale, failed to improve, and continuous so. Therefore hardfork happened and everyone was granted same amount of Bitcoin Cash, which tends to be better scaled solution. Now its time for one or another to show who is real player. When exchanges start switching to Bitcoin Cash and recognise it as next version of Bitcoin, than you will look like stupid clowns.

Now, decision on community and business to decide what is Bitcoin, not o  some Bitcoin purist on troll bot that evaded this forum. You can not ride dead horse.

So Bitcoin Cash is not alt coin.
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Therefore hardfork happened and everyone was granted same amount of Bitcoin Cash, which tends to be better scaled solution.
Did you read this from Roger's twitter or from Jonald the Baboon's blog post? Roll Eyes
1) No development team, all Core's code.
2) Big blocks != scaling.
3) Therefore, no scaling
4) Highly miner, node, and richlist centralization.

Now its time for one or another to show who is real player. When exchanges start switching to Bitcoin Cash and recognise it as next version of Bitcoin, than you will look like stupid clowns.
You can't do that, neither morally, nor legally and it doesn't have any logical coherence. You must be out of you mind to think 2+2 = 5, or you're a bamboozled shill.

So Bitcoin Cash is not alt coin.
It is a scam altcoin.


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