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November 19, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
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Hey guys! I came to the point where I decided to invest in hardware wallet. My concern is - should I buy Ledger nano S which is the cheapest, or pre-order Trezor T - it's more expensive but well looks cool and it's the newest on the market. Could someone explain me differences (I heard about Trezor being not as secure as Ledger - will the issue continue with T model?) Thanks in advance guys!
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November 19, 2017, 02:53:08 PM
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There was a security issue found but It got fixed with a firmware update. The choice remain between Trezor 1 and Ledger nano S and It's really up to you as they are both good. I wouldn't consider Model T as nothing much has been added and the developers won't discontinue the first model so better buy something cheap and invest the rest in buying more bitcoin.

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November 19, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
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You might be already aware from Trezor's website that it comes with a touchscreen display where in you could input the security PIN directly and a USB-C port which I feel are the only 2 better improvements when compared to the previous generation Trezor and the Ledger Nano S. Even if you did compare all 3 of these hardware wallets, all 3 of them are equally good and secure. Now, since we know more or less about the features they all provide, lets consider the price.

The cost to purchase a Ledger Nano S is about 100 Euro's (including shipment via DHL , to ship where I live), to purchase the previous generation Trezor which is equally good, it costs about 89 Euros + 26 Euros shipment which sums up to 115 Euros and finally for Trezor T it's 149 Euro (the price keeps increasing until their final batch of pre-orders are complete and they have enough units left to manufacture) + 26 Euros which sums up to 175 Euros.

Comparing all of these 3 devices, I'd suggest you either pick the Ledger Nano S or the previous generation Trezor (that is if you're not a fan of the new interactive screen and PIN input through the screen with model T). Trezor has a good reputation of fixing and resolving any possible 0 days or vulnerabilities, and there hasn't been any issues with the Ledger nano S so far either.


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November 19, 2017, 06:24:13 PM
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If you're interested in the Nano S, you're probably interested in practicality more than anything else.

The TREZOR T doesn't seem to have introduced any significant new security features, so it would be worth considering getting the original TREZOR.  It's doing extremely well for me and it's cheaper.

But the Nano S is even cheaper, so it's ideal if that's what you're looking for.


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November 19, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
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Hey guys! I came to the point where I decided to invest in hardware wallet. My concern is - should I buy Ledger nano S which is the cheapest, or pre-order Trezor T - it's more expensive but well looks cool and it's the newest on the market. Could someone explain me differences (I heard about Trezor being not as secure as Ledger - will the issue continue with T model?) Thanks in advance guys!

As mentioned in the other post, security shouldn't be an issue with either device. If you're into alts however, you might want to check which ones are supported by each respective wallet. Most major alts are supported by both, some minor ones however, are not.

At the end of this article you'll find an overview of alts supported on Ledger vs Trezor:

https://coinsutra.com/best-hardware-wallet-bitcoin/

I personally am a fan of Trezor, but maybe the Ledger Nano S is supporting some alts that you'd be missing otherwise.

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November 19, 2017, 07:01:27 PM
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Not or. Both Smiley
Trezor for non-spending purposes, just to store safely (or a paper wallet, but when it comes about transfering, you just connect the trezor and send a transaction, but with a paper wallet it's more a hassle).
Ledger Nano S is for everyday purposes, sending receiving, and the Nano S supports more altcoins, also direct altcoin exchange via the EtherDelta, which is not an exchange but does the same, the main difference is that you don't have to send your coins to an exchange and have it (and risk it) on, but you just connect your Nano S and you can trade peer to peer.

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November 19, 2017, 07:13:05 PM
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if you want to keep holding your bitcoins for a long period of time, then better to buy the trezor one, it is one of the best wallets, i mean, offline wallets that is working at the moment.
The ledger nano is very good too, only that it works better if you want to keep a lot of altcoins in there, specially the ERC20 tokens. And the price of both wallets is very similiar, so make your own research about that and buy the one that you really want too.
The trezor is very handsome too, i would pick that one, no matter what.



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November 19, 2017, 07:17:38 PM
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Not or. Both Smiley
Trezor for non-spending purposes, just to store safely (or a paper wallet, but when it comes about transfering, you just connect the trezor and send a transaction, but with a paper wallet it's more a hassle).
Ledger Nano S is for everyday purposes, sending receiving, and the Nano S supports more altcoins, also direct altcoin exchange via the EtherDelta, which is not an exchange but does the same, the main difference is that you don't have to send your coins to an exchange and have it (and risk it) on, but you just connect your Nano S and you can trade peer to peer.

Can you give more details about why you said ledger nano s is better for daily spending purposes? I knew it's very good for long term coin strorage as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just wanted to hear more about it. Is there something bad about ledger nano s?
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November 19, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
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Trezor is more intuitive to use than Nano S and has a better user manual. Go ahead and get a first generation Trezor is my recommendation. When the new Trezor T is out you can always buy one, restore your seed to the Trezor T and use it as a spare, or your main hardware wallet.

I have all the hardware wallets (I seem to collect them:) and Trezor is my favorite. It is more straightforward to use than the Nano S and has the larger screen. I have the Trezor T on order and look forward to using it. It seems to be a race on which hardware wallet will support Monero first. I have a KeepKey that sits on a shelf unused, the same with Digital Bitbox.

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I like Trezor more
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I'm using Ledger Nano S right now and I'm not satisfied. The build quality is terrible. The device scratched easily even though it was laying on my desk all the time. I decided to order Trezor T mostly because:
- I use only Ethereum, Bitcoin and its hardforks,
- Touchscreen - faster pin/passphrase typing, easier to view destination address
- MicroSD support, Ledger runs out of space after installing only 3 apps! With MicroSD you will be able to store your data which will be encrypted.
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What's your reason for getting one? If it's pure storage with no plans to move then you may as well go for a paper wallet. It's free and impregnable as long as it's made right.

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November 19, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
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Two years ago maybe the decision would be in favor of Trezor; but nowadays, practically speaking, minor differences between them. If you are fan of a software wallet like as electrum then things would be easier.
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I am not yet in the phase to buy a hardware wallet but when i think
 i would go for the Trezor. It is more expensive but it can also store normal passwords.


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Hey guys! I came to the point where I decided to invest in hardware wallet. My concern is - should I buy Ledger nano S which is the cheapest, or pre-order Trezor T - it's more expensive but well looks cool and it's the newest on the market. Could someone explain me differences (I heard about Trezor being not as secure as Ledger - will the issue continue with T model?) Thanks in advance guys!

It's your decision which hardware wallet will suit you better, both are great hardware devices.
Trezor T is only for pre-order if you happy waiting until January 2018 and you trust company that's ok. Personally, I will wait for Trezor T reviews first, before make order.
Nano S is already tested and very popular wallet. There is a lot of reviews online that will point out all Pros and Cons.
Nano S is 50% cheaper and can be on your desk in 3-5 working days. I will choose Ledger Nano S, better value for money and there is nothing wrong with it.
Trezor T have touch screen from what I see on short video, I don't know how strong will be when accidentally dropped on leave in pocket and sit, very little information about Trezor T - maybe is gorilla glass maybe not.
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I have been using the trezor wallet for more than four months and i can really say that i have never had any problems with them, maybe it is because i dont use to hold much more bitcoins in there because i prefer to hold my money in cash instead of having it in altcoins (because always i am so tempted to dump it for other coins, and most times i lost money because of that)
But yes, the trezor is working so good at the moment, and there are not any issues with it, i have made more than three transactions during this week and all of them went through smoothly.



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November 19, 2017, 10:36:02 PM
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Hey guys! I came to the point where I decided to invest in hardware wallet. My concern is - should I buy Ledger nano S which is the cheapest, or pre-order Trezor T - it's more expensive but well looks cool and it's the newest on the market. Could someone explain me differences (I heard about Trezor being not as secure as Ledger - will the issue continue with T model?) Thanks in advance guys!

Ledger nano S or Trezor T is both  a hardware wallet that where you can save all your bitcoin asset,they have a same purpose is for safe keeping.so i were you ,should pick a ledger nano S  hardware wallet because is so cheap and user friendly wallet,unlike Trezor T is so expensive as you said and have  an issue of security.

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Trezor has no security issues with latest firmware that seems to be an urban myth being passed around. You may as well accuse Nano S of having back doors built into the secure enclave chip they use and cannot open source because of non-disclosure agreements with their supplier. When you are using a hardware wallet the larger the screen the easier to use. That gives original Trezor an edge over Nano S just as Trezor T will be easier to use than the original. The Trezor GUI is also more user friendly than Ledger's.

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Both Ledger and Trezor are secure. Ledger supports many altcoins but you can install only 3 coin apps at the same time. It's because of limited space on the secure element. Trezor is open source and everyone can review the code. The newest Trezor T uses Python instead of C so it will be easier to implement new altcoins. I decided to pre-order Trezor T which will replace my Ledger Nano S.

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... Ledger supports many altcoins but you can install only 3 coin apps at the same time. It's because of limited space on the secure element...
What apps do you have installed? Huh I can usually have 5 Apps installed... Currently (because I've been mucking around testing stuff) I have Bitcoin, Dash, Dogecoin, Ethereum and Litecoin... I did have Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold, Dogecoin and Litecoin installed...

Also, it really isn't THAT much of a bother to fire up the manager, uninstall an app and install the app you are missing... unless you are trying to use more than 5 currencies at once, multiple times a day Tongue

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November 20, 2017, 08:20:05 PM
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... Ledger supports many altcoins but you can install only 3 coin apps at the same time. It's because of limited space on the secure element...
What apps do you have installed? Huh I can usually have 5 Apps installed... Currently (because I've been mucking around testing stuff) I have Bitcoin, Dash, Dogecoin, Ethereum and Litecoin... I did have Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold, Dogecoin and Litecoin installed...

Also, it really isn't THAT much of a bother to fire up the manager, uninstall an app and install the app you are missing... unless you are trying to use more than 5 currencies at once, multiple times a day Tongue
How did you manage to install 5 coins on your Nano S? I have Bitcoin, Dogecoin, Ethereum and that's all. Have you deleted the Fido 2FA app? I don't know if it's possible or not but I just can't imagine any other way to free up some space on the device...
But yes, it's not a big deal to change the Dogecoin app to Dash in 30 seconds, if those coins are needed

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November 20, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
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What apps do you have installed? Huh I can usually have 5 Apps installed...
Also, it really isn't THAT much of a bother to fire up the manager, uninstall an app and install the app you are missing... unless you are trying to use more than 5 currencies at once, multiple times a day Tongue

Ethereum, Bitcoin and Bitcoin Gold - I can't install anything else due to insufficient space. I use only Bitcoin, Ethereum and sometimes Zcash so I don't really mind. However, it is really inconvenient for people who are constantly trading or want to have easy and fast access to their funds. Trezor claims that their latest model will have better altcoin support because of new software backend.

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I decided on the Ledger Nano S, due to the metallic "shield" and it was also cheaper where I live (75 vs 110 euro for the Tresor 1).

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November 26, 2017, 03:24:11 AM
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Interesting thread, I was thinking about getting a hardware wallet, but maybe I should wait a little longer as devices improve and get cheaper.

KeepKey was purchased by ShapeShift so hopefully we should see some updates soon. 

I like the fact you can use many coins on ledger but then you need multiple devices if use more then 3 apps. I wasn't aware so very good to know!

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November 26, 2017, 03:56:43 AM
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I like the fact you can use many coins on ledger but then you need multiple devices if use more then 3 apps. I wasn't aware so very good to know!
No, you don't... you can add and remove apps at will... One device is enough to manage all the supported coins. I currently have 5 "apps" on my Ledger Nano S... Bitcoin, Bitcoin Gold, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Dash and if I want to go use something else (like Ethereum for instance), I simply uninstall one of the apps and install the app I need for the currency I want to use. Takes all of 30 seconds.

Seriously, if you need access to more than 4 or 5 currencies simultaneously with a hardware wallet... you're trading wrong and probably spending a ton on transaction fees Roll Eyes

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I like the fact you can use many coins on ledger but then you need multiple devices if use more then 3 apps. I wasn't aware so very good to know!
No, you don't... you can add and remove apps at will... One device is enough to manage all the supported coins. I currently have 5 "apps" on my Ledger Nano S... Bitcoin, Bitcoin Gold, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Dash and if I want to go use something else (like Ethereum for instance), I simply uninstall one of the apps and install the app I need for the currency I want to use. Takes all of 30 seconds.

Seriously, if you need access to more than 4 or 5 currencies simultaneously with a hardware wallet... you're trading wrong and probably spending a ton on transaction fees Roll Eyes


Yeah, while those people are probably heavy altcoin traders, I wouldn't say they don't deserve to use the ledger. I'm hoping they can find a way around the restriction.

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Not or. Both Smiley
Trezor for non-spending purposes, just to store safely (or a paper wallet, but when it comes about transfering, you just connect the trezor and send a transaction, but with a paper wallet it's more a hassle).
Ledger Nano S is for everyday purposes, sending receiving, and the Nano S supports more altcoins, also direct altcoin exchange via the EtherDelta, which is not an exchange but does the same, the main difference is that you don't have to send your coins to an exchange and have it (and risk it) on, but you just connect your Nano S and you can trade peer to peer.

Can you give more details about why you said ledger nano s is better for daily spending purposes? I knew it's very good for long term coin strorage as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just wanted to hear more about it. Is there something bad about ledger nano s?

i need these information too, and i'm asking becouse i'm try to understand which is better and i need more information is possible.

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Just buy both of them problem solved.

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I've an other question:
is it possibile to have to differenent wallet/seed with ledger or trezor

For example, i have 2 wallet on electrum. Can i import them separately on my hw wallet in a way that if i have to recover it on electrum i can restore 2 wallet instead of one?

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I've an other question:
is it possibile to have to differenent wallet/seed with ledger or trezor

For example, i have 2 wallet on electrum. Can i import them separately on my hw wallet in a way that if i have to recover it on electrum i can restore 2 wallet instead of one?

Thanks in advance!


Your seed never leaves your hardware wallet unless you export it. As far as I know, hardware wallets sweep the bitcoins which are on the addresses from the seed you enter. Both Ledger and Trezor support passphrases. A passphrase works like the 25th word of your seed. Without it, nobody can access your wallet (technically it is possible if such person has the rest of the seed but if you haven't sent bitcoins to such account, it will be empty). Passphrases are great in case your PIN is compromised.

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I've an other question:
is it possibile to have to differenent wallet/seed with ledger or trezor

For example, i have 2 wallet on electrum. Can i import them separately on my hw wallet in a way that if i have to recover it on electrum i can restore 2 wallet instead of one?

Thanks in advance!


Your seed never leaves your hardware wallet unless you export it. As far as I know, hardware wallets sweep the bitcoins which are on the addresses from the seed you enter. Both Ledger and Trezor support passphrases. A passphrase works like the 25th word of your seed. Without it, nobody can access your wallet (technically it is possible if such person has the rest of the seed but if you haven't sent bitcoins to such account, it will be empty). Passphrases are great in case your PIN is compromised.

i'm sorry, but in your post i can't find an answer for my question.
two electrum wallet, will stay separete on my hw wallet? This is what i need to know

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November 29, 2017, 09:14:43 PM
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I've an other question:
is it possibile to have to differenent wallet/seed with ledger or trezor

For example, i have 2 wallet on electrum. Can i import them separately on my hw wallet in a way that if i have to recover it on electrum i can restore 2 wallet instead of one?

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Hang on for a second (clarification needed)
Your question is (if I understand it right):
You want to use two wallets for a coin (e.g. for bitcoin) on one device, or two accounts in one wallet?
Trezor supports one seed per device, that creates wallets for each supported coin (bitcoin, ethereum, dash, etc..) One wallet for a coin.
In the wallet you can set up maximum 10 accounts (10 bitcoin accounts, 10 dash accounts, etc. ethereum is a bit different). Each account can contain several addresses.
But this is for one seed. If your have different seeds, you can still use one trezor, but you need to set up a passphrase, but that's another story. You can check it on trezor's site:
https://blog.trezor.io/wallet-accounts-and-addresses-bdfa6b66b037

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November 29, 2017, 10:55:36 PM
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I've an other question:
is it possibile to have to differenent wallet/seed with ledger or trezor

For example, i have 2 wallet on electrum. Can i import them separately on my hw wallet in a way that if i have to recover it on electrum i can restore 2 wallet instead of one?

Thanks in advance!


Short answer no. Your seeds for Electrum have already been displayed on a monitor so should be considered compromised. Each Trezor or Nano S has only one seed. You should just send your bitcoin from Electrum to your Trezor or Nano S.

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thanks both for your answers, but i don't understand why this choice.

I understand that the hwwallet can't use the same seed on my "old" electrum wallet, but why don't create a two different seed if i import two different wallet?

i think it's more safe (from malware attack) have your coin splitted in two wallet

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thanks both for your answers, but i don't understand why this choice.

I understand that the hwwallet can't use the same seed on my "old" electrum wallet, but why don't create a two different seed if i import two different wallet?

i think it's more safe (from malware attack) have your coin splitted in two wallet


You can have two Trezors. They can both use the same seed, which is the usual way people do it. This means you have a spare available right away if your primary Trezor is lost or stolen. All accounts on either Trezor are derived from the same seed. You can set up two Trezors with different seeds but that does not really provide you protection against malware. The common bitcoin malware right now like Crypto Shuffler replaces bitcoin addresses on the clipboard which is why Trezor warns you to double check addresses before sending. If you are using good anti-malware like Kaspersky you should not have a problem.

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December 01, 2017, 09:37:58 AM
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thanks both for your answers, but i don't understand why this choice.

I understand that the hwwallet can't use the same seed on my "old" electrum wallet, but why don't create a two different seed if i import two different wallet?

i think it's more safe (from malware attack) have your coin splitted in two wallet
It's a design limitation of current hardware wallets. They only allow for one seed per device. All wallets for each currency are derived from the same seed.

You simply can't have two different seeds at the same time.

In any case, importing a seed generated somewhere else into a hardware can actually render the security of the hardware wallet useless as there is a possibility the seed has been compromised before it even gets on the hardware wallet.

The safest solution is to let the device securely generate its own seed, so that it is NEVER on any device other than the hardware wallet.

Theoretically, a seed generated completely offline using dice etc could probably be just as secure, but a seed generated by a software wallet on a computer that is online should never been used long-term as a hardware wallet seed.

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December 01, 2017, 07:15:23 PM
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thanks both for your answers, but i don't understand why this choice.

I understand that the hwwallet can't use the same seed on my "old" electrum wallet, but why don't create a two different seed if i import two different wallet?

i think it's more safe (from malware attack) have your coin splitted in two wallet
One hardware wallet = one seed
As mentioned above, you just can't use more than one seed on a single device.
Why do you stick to that old seed / two old seeds so much? (Have you got it tattoed on yourself? Smiley Just kidding, no offense Smiley )
If you buy two hardware wallets, you can transfer your coins easily to your device for a little cost. If you don't want it to be done in ten minutes but in a day, you can use low fees. When you have a seed on a computer that is connected to the internet, you can't be 100% sure that someone has not seen it already...

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thanks for the answer.

really i don't want to use old seed, you're right. I want to create a new seed from ledger/trezor and make a transaction from my electrum wallet.

But i want to do this for each electrum wallet i have.

You are very clear: this isn't possible.

Just a question: even the next trezor doesn't have this possibility?

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really i don't want to use old seed, you're right. I want to create a new seed from ledger/trezor and make a transaction from my electrum wallet.
But i want to do this for each electrum wallet i have.
What you could do with the Trezor/Ledger is use different passphrases to generate a different BTC wallet for each Electrum wallet you have. The passphrase effectively acts like a "25th word" for your seed... and allows you to generate completely different wallets based off the same seed.

some references:
https://ledger.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-Passphrase-options
https://blog.trezor.io/hide-your-trezor-wallets-with-multiple-passphrases-f2e0834026eb


Alternatively, you can setup multiple "Accounts" within your Trezor/Ledger wallets... and each account could act like your separate Electrum wallets. Each account has separate addresses/coins etc... but are all able to be recovered from the one seed.

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really i don't want to use old seed, you're right. I want to create a new seed from ledger/trezor and make a transaction from my electrum wallet.
But i want to do this for each electrum wallet i have.
What you could do with the Trezor/Ledger is use different passphrases to generate a different BTC wallet for each Electrum wallet you have. The passphrase effectively acts like a "25th word" for your seed... and allows you to generate completely different wallets based off the same seed.

some references:
https://ledger.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-Passphrase-options
https://blog.trezor.io/hide-your-trezor-wallets-with-multiple-passphrases-f2e0834026eb


Alternatively, you can setup multiple "Accounts" within your Trezor/Ledger wallets... and each account could act like your separate Electrum wallets. Each account has separate addresses/coins etc... but are all able to be recovered from the one seed.

thanks for your answer.

I'm not sure that i have understood correctly what the links say.

Let's make an example.
I have an electrum wallet with 1 btc and its own seed and Passphrase , and an other electrum wallet whit 2 btc with its own seed and Passphrase .

I buy a trezor. I create a new btc seed for my trezor.

I send my 3 btc to trezor, so, all of these btc have now only a seed and no Passphrase.

Then i enable Passphrase encryption on my trezor.

Then i can create two different Passphrase and send 1 btc to my first Passphrase wallet and 2 btc to my second Passphrase wallet.

So, after that, i have to wallet with two different amount on them.

If i want to import my trezor's seed on a new electrum wallet, what happen? I will see a wallet with 3 btc, or what else? I don't understand this part Sad

An other question: is it more safe use a Passphrase on trezor?

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I would vary the steps you are planning on taking.  For privacy I would not transfer ALL my BTC into the Trezor wallet without the password.  When you then move the BTC from that original wallet to the other two passphrase protected wallets you are creating a "trail" that can easily now link the other two  wallets to the original.  For privacy it would be better to move only 1 BTC (using your example amounts from your post) to the non-passphrase wallet.  Now you transfer the other 2 BTC to the remaining wallets directly from Electrum or wherever.  This way there is NO connection between those wallets at all in the blockchain.  On a Trezor when you use passphrases those wallets generated all have totally different MPK's and addresses.  If you handle your transactions properly you can keep them separate from view in the blockchain as well.  In my case when I did what you are doing I ran a commercial mixer between my Electrum and the Trezor wallet destination.  I wanted to make sure even the original Electrum wallet link was severed from my personal Trezor wallets.  You may not care about this, but I wanted to explain this to you and other readers.  During Trezor wallet creation this is the time to make it "alone" in the blockchain without reference to where the coins on it came from.  Just my take on this.

edit:  the passphrase issue is one you have to consider.  If you go the passphrase route (I do but that's just me) and ever need to restore because your Trezor breaks or is stolen you will need BOTH the 24 word SEED and all the passphrases.  If you forget a passphrase your coins are lost forever so pause and consider securing the passphrase if you go this route.  BTW - this is much better than a 25th word.  I hear that all the time but its not quite true.  I could hand you my 24 word SEED list and tell you to have fun finding my wallets.  You will not simply try adding a 25 th word and ever solve the math needed to build my passphrase generated wallets.

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From the Trezor blog:

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In other words, your passphrase acts like a “25th seed word,” meaning your entire wallet — private and public keys, addresses — are generated from your 24 seed words and your passphrase — from all 25.

Chainanalysis companies have been able to trace bitcoin transactions past mixers for over a year. Don't count on a mixer for privacy. If you need to recover your Trezor seed and passphrase to a different wallet see the guide on Trezor docs. This compromises your seed and passphase so you are better off just restoring to a spare Trezor.

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I'm not sure that i have understood correctly what the links say.

Let's make an example.
- I have an electrum wallet with 1 btc and its own seed and Passphrase , and an other electrum wallet whit 2 btc with its own seed and Passphrase .
- I buy a trezor. I create a new btc seed for my trezor.
So far... so good.


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- I send my 3 btc to trezor, so, all of these btc have now only a seed and no Passphrase.
No... I do not recommend that you do this...


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- Then i enable Passphrase encryption on my trezor.
- Then i can create two different Passphrase and send 1 btc to my first Passphrase wallet and 2 btc to my second Passphrase wallet.
- So, after that, i have to wallet with two different amount on them.
You should just do this... create the passphrases FIRST... then transfer 1 btc from "ElectrumWallet1" to "TrezorPassphraseWallet1"... and 2 btc from "ElectrumWallet2" to "TrezorPassphraseWallet2"... or, as I stated earlier, you can simply create multiple accounts in Trezor. Refer: https://blog.trezor.io/wallet-accounts-and-addresses-bdfa6b66b037 - The section on "Accounts". You can have up to 10 BTC "accounts" in your wallet... it's a bit like having a checking account and a savings account. The accounts are "separate"... ie. you cannot create a transaction that includes coins from Account#0 with coins from Account#1 in the same transaction... but all the accounts are generated from the same seed/passphrase.


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If i want to import my trezor's seed on a new electrum wallet, what happen? I will see a wallet with 3 btc, or what else? I don't understand this part Sad
To import the seed into a new Electrum wallet, you would enter the seed, click "options", select "BIP39 seed" and "Extend this seed with custom words"... you'd put your seed in, then on the next screen, you're prompted for the "extra words"... this is your "passphrase".

So you would need to create 2 new Electrum wallets... one for each "passphrase"...


If you use the "account" method, you'd still need to create 2 new Electrum wallets when restoring to Electrum, but instead of having passphrases, you'd simply change the Derivation Path (m/44'/0'/1'... m/44'/0'/2' etc).



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I'm not sure what you mean here? Using a passphrase means you can effectively "hide" your actual wallet... someone could have your 24 word seed, but without your passphrase they will never find your actual wallet... bruteforcing a "strong" password (10+ alphanumerics+symbols) is impractical for current computers (length of time required measured in years etc)... so if your piece of paper with your seed words gets stolen, and you've used a passphrase, you have plenty of time to move your coins before the thief can access them. Without a passphrase, as soon as they have your seed, they effectively own your coins Tongue

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I have chosen Ledger Nano S. However, it seems that each of them is good. So it is better to have any, than to live your funds unprotected.

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I would vary the steps you are planning on taking.  For privacy I would not transfer ALL my BTC into the Trezor wallet without the password.  When you then move the BTC from that original wallet to the other two passphrase protected wallets you are creating a "trail" that can easily now link the other two  wallets to the original.  For privacy it would be better to move only 1 BTC (using your example amounts from your post) to the non-passphrase wallet.  Now you transfer the other 2 BTC to the remaining wallets directly from Electrum or wherever.  This way there is NO connection between those wallets at all in the blockchain.  On a Trezor when you use passphrases those wallets generated all have totally different MPK's and addresses.  If you handle your transactions properly you can keep them separate from view in the blockchain as well.  In my case when I did what you are doing I ran a commercial mixer between my Electrum and the Trezor wallet destination.  I wanted to make sure even the original Electrum wallet link was severed from my personal Trezor wallets.  You may not care about this, but I wanted to explain this to you and other readers.  During Trezor wallet creation this is the time to make it "alone" in the blockchain without reference to where the coins on it came from.  Just my take on this.

edit:  the passphrase issue is one you have to consider.  If you go the passphrase route (I do but that's just me) and ever need to restore because your Trezor breaks or is stolen you will need BOTH the 24 word SEED and all the passphrases.  If you forget a passphrase your coins are lost forever so pause and consider securing the passphrase if you go this route.  BTW - this is much better than a 25th word.  I hear that all the time but its not quite true.  I could hand you my 24 word SEED list and tell you to have fun finding my wallets.  You will not simply try adding a 25 th word and ever solve the math needed to build my passphrase generated wallets.

thanks for your answer.

If i've understood well, the problem is this my sentence "I send my 3 btc to trezor, so, all of these btc have now only a seed and no Passphrase.".

So what i have to do is:
-send my btc from my first electrum wallet to a non-passphrase wallet trezor wallet
-then do the same thing for my second electrum wallet.

Is it correct?

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From the Trezor blog:

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In other words, your passphrase acts like a “25th seed word,” meaning your entire wallet — private and public keys, addresses — are generated from your 24 seed words and your passphrase — from all 25.

Chainanalysis companies have been able to trace bitcoin transactions past mixers for over a year. Don't count on a mixer for privacy. If you need to recover your Trezor seed and passphrase to a different wallet see the guide on Trezor docs. This compromises your seed and passphase so you are better off just restoring to a spare Trezor.

mmmm, recover my trezor seed compromises it because there can be a possibly infection of my pc? Or for what other reasons?

My trezor seed will be ok if i simply import it on electrum with "import hardware wallet" procedure? I know that it will import only the public keys..

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I'm not sure that i have understood correctly what the links say.

Let's make an example.
- I have an electrum wallet with 1 btc and its own seed and Passphrase , and an other electrum wallet whit 2 btc with its own seed and Passphrase .
- I buy a trezor. I create a new btc seed for my trezor.
So far... so good.

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- I send my 3 btc to trezor, so, all of these btc have now only a seed and no Passphrase.

No... I do not recommend that you do this...

- Then i enable Passphrase encryption on my trezor.
- Then i can create two different Passphrase and send 1 btc to my first Passphrase wallet and 2 btc to my second Passphrase wallet.
- So, after that, i have to wallet with two different amount on them.


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You should just do this... create the passphrases FIRST... then transfer 1 btc from "ElectrumWallet1" to "TrezorPassphraseWallet1"... and 2 btc from "ElectrumWallet2" to "TrezorPassphraseWallet2"... or, as I stated earlier, you can simply create multiple accounts in Trezor. Refer: https://blog.trezor.io/wallet-accounts-and-addresses-bdfa6b66b037 - The section on "Accounts". You can have up to 10 BTC "accounts" in your wallet... it's a bit like having a checking account and a savings account. The accounts are "separate"... ie. you cannot create a transaction that includes coins from Account#0 with coins from Account#1 in the same transaction... but all the accounts are generated from the same seed/passphrase.

thanks for your suggestion.

Can i ask why is better create first the two TrezorPassphraseWallet instead to add the Passphrase after?

Thanks again for your help!

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If i want to import my trezor's seed on a new electrum wallet, what happen? I will see a wallet with 3 btc, or what else? I don't understand this part Sad
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To import the seed into a new Electrum wallet, you would enter the seed, click "options", select "BIP39 seed" and "Extend this seed with custom words"... you'd put your seed in, then on the next screen, you're prompted for the "extra words"... this is your "passphrase".

So you would need to create 2 new Electrum wallets... one for each "passphrase"...


If you use the "account" method, you'd still need to create 2 new Electrum wallets when restoring to Electrum, but instead of having passphrases, you'd simply change the Derivation Path (m/44'/0'/1'... m/44'/0'/2' etc).

it's clear!
And if i want to just connect my trezor to electrum with "import hardware wallet" procedure? i will have only one electrum wallet?

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An other question: is it more safe use a Passphrase on trezor?

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I'm not sure what you mean here? Using a passphrase means you can effectively "hide" your actual wallet... someone could have your 24 word seed, but without your passphrase they will never find your actual wallet... bruteforcing a "strong" password (10+ alphanumerics+symbols) is impractical for current computers (length of time required measured in years etc)... so if your piece of paper with your seed words gets stolen, and you've used a passphrase, you have plenty of time to move your coins before the thief can access them. Without a passphrase, as soon as they have your seed, they effectively own your coins Tongue

well, you explain me very well the point. It's better to use a passphrase  too.

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Can i ask why is better create first the two TrezorPassphraseWallet instead to add the Passphrase after?
Because it'll help protect your privacy and also save you some transaction fees... if you go:

- Electrum1 -> Trezor
- Electrum2 -> Trezor
- Trezor -> TrezorPassphrase1
- Trezor -> TrezorPassphrase2

You have effectively linked ALL your BTC together... plus 2 extra transaction fees... Tongue


Much better to do:
- Electrum1 -> TrezorPassphrase1
- Electrum2 -> TrezorPassphrase2

Your BTC remain "unlinked"... and you only do two transactions instead of 4.

If you don't care about privacy you can send them all to same Trezor wallet first if you want and then split into two wallets... And if you don't want to keep your BTC separated, there is no need to create multiple Trezor wallets or Accounts.


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it's clear!
And if i want to just connect my trezor to electrum with "import hardware wallet" procedure? i will have only one electrum wallet?
You will create the "watching only" wallet for whatever passphrase you used to unlock the wallet when you create the Electrum wallet.

So, if you connect to Electrum and "import hardware wallet"... and use Passphrase2, you will get TrezorPassphrase2 wallet imported to Electrum... if you use passphrase1, you will get TrezorPassphrase1 wallet imported to Electrum etc.

To switch from one wallet to another in Electrum, you need to disconnect/reconnect the Trezor and unlock with the passphrase for the wallet you want to view.

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Can i ask why is better create first the two TrezorPassphraseWallet instead to add the Passphrase after?
Because it'll help protect your privacy and also save you some transaction fees... if you go:

- Electrum1 -> Trezor
- Electrum2 -> Trezor
- Trezor -> TrezorPassphrase1
- Trezor -> TrezorPassphrase2

You have effectively linked ALL your BTC together... plus 2 extra transaction fees... Tongue


Much better to do:
- Electrum1 -> TrezorPassphrase1
- Electrum2 -> TrezorPassphrase2

Your BTC remain "unlinked"... and you only do two transactions instead of 4.

If you don't care about privacy you can send them all to same Trezor wallet first if you want and then split into two wallets... And if you don't want to keep your BTC separated, there is no need to create multiple Trezor wallets or Accounts.


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it's clear!
And if i want to just connect my trezor to electrum with "import hardware wallet" procedure? i will have only one electrum wallet?
You will create the "watching only" wallet for whatever passphrase you used to unlock the wallet when you create the Electrum wallet.

So, if you connect to Electrum and "import hardware wallet"... and use Passphrase2, you will get TrezorPassphrase2 wallet imported to Electrum... if you use passphrase1, you will get TrezorPassphrase1 wallet imported to Electrum etc.

To switch from one wallet to another in Electrum, you need to disconnect/reconnect the Trezor and unlock with the passphrase for the wallet you want to view.

thanks again!

now i know what to do.

When you talk about "watching only" wallet you mean that without trezor i can't made transaction, or, in any case i can't made transaction with electrum?

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December 04, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
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When you talk about "watching only" wallet you mean that without trezor i can't made transaction, or, in any case i can't made transaction with electrum?
Correct... the wallet you create using the "use hardware device" option will create a "watching only" wallet as the Trezor will only present the "xpub" master public key to Electrum. This means you will be unable to spend without the Trezor attached.

To spend without the Trezor you would need to create a "standard wallet" by importing the Trezor 24 word seed mnemonic.

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I'm sorry to up this thread again, but there is something i don't understand: if i've a trezor wallet with passphrase, and someone stole my seed, why he can't just simple import that seed on electrum and steal my btc?

It's because my trezor's passphare works as the electrum's passphrase?

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I'm sorry to up this thread again, but there is something i don't understand: if i've a trezor wallet with passphrase, and someone stole my seed, why he can't just simple import that seed on electrum and steal my btc?

It's because my trezor's passphare works as the electrum's passphrase?

A passphrase have no equivalent in Electrum (check the post beloiw, my bad). Trezor give you 24 words, consider that passphrase as the 25 word that you can create yourself (can be anything) so even If someone have access to your seed, he can't do anything.

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A passphrase have no equivalent in Electrum...
Yes, it does...


This option (available when you click the "Options" button on the seed display screen) allows you to effectively add a Passphrase to your Electrum seed. It is NOT the same thing as a wallet password (which is used to encrypt the data in the wallet file)

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thanks both for your reply, but i'm not sure to have understood well.. so i ask: what happened if i try to import my seed of trezor (without the passphrase) to electrum?

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thanks both for your reply, but i'm not sure to have understood well.. so i ask: what happened if i try to import my seed of trezor (without the passphrase) to electrum?

not much. it certainly won't come up with your addresses if you don't have the 25th word. the 25th word unlocks all the other seed words. without it they're scrambled.

think of it like a seed password, not a wallet password.

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thanks both for your reply, but i'm not sure to have understood well.. so i ask: what happened if i try to import my seed of trezor (without the passphrase) to electrum?
Exactly what happens when you load up your Trezor wallet with no passphrase... You get a completely different wallet generated.

The Trezor folks have a really good explanation about seeds and passphrases (and PINs) here: https://blog.trezor.io/seed-pin-passphrase-e15d14a0b546

This is why they talk about passphrases being a "25th word"... Like the other 24 words, it is absolutely 100% required to recreate your wallet if you use it to generate the wallet...

And like the other 24 words, if it is spelled incorrectly or missed out, you will be unable to recreate your original wallet.

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thanks both for your reply, but i'm not sure to have understood well.. so i ask: what happened if i try to import my seed of trezor (without the passphrase) to electrum?
Exactly what happens when you load up your Trezor wallet with no passphrase... You get a completely different wallet generated.

The Trezor folks have a really good explanation about seeds and passphrases (and PINs) here: https://blog.trezor.io/seed-pin-passphrase-e15d14a0b546

This is why they talk about passphrases being a "25th word"... Like the other 24 words, it is absolutely 100% required to recreate your wallet if you use it to generate the wallet...

And like the other 24 words, if it is spelled incorrectly or missed out, you will be unable to recreate your original wallet.

thank you so much, now it's clear! So, it's just important as the other words of the seed and i have to use it when i create a new wallet on electrum with a seed..

thank you too, European Central Bank

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On amazon, it seems the ratings are a lot higher for the trezor vs nano ledger s.  Is there a reason for that?  The other thing i noticed is the price of the trezor has dropped a lot to where price is similar to nano ledger.  Is there reason why?  Heard lot of negative reviews of ppl buying ledger s through amazon saying its a fake or compromised one.  Is there a reason there hasn't been cases of this with the trezor?


So basically if you buy a nano ledger s, make sure you buy it from manufacturer.  But with trezor, it doesn't matter?  I haven't heard of cases where a compromised trezor was bought.  Anyone read about that?


Does anyone know if nano ledger s you could put a 25th word yourself?  So with trezor and the 25th word, it generates you 24 word seed.  Then you make your own 25th word which could be any word you want, no matter how many letters?  So if someone were to figure out your 24 word seed on trezor as it got exposed somehow, does that mean its basically impossible for them to access your trezor if you put a 25th word?  Like imagine your 25th word was something like
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I've ordered Ledger from "LedgerWallet" seller on Amazon.de, it's official account of Ledger France and so far (it doesn't arrived yet) I'm very dissapointed, as Ledger wrote me, that they don't raise VAT-EU invoice.
So, I'm waiting for another reply from Ledger itself and Amazon and I will probably return it and buy Trezor.
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So basically if you buy a nano ledger s, make sure you buy it from manufacturer.  But with trezor, it doesn't matter?  I haven't heard of cases where a compromised trezor was bought.  Anyone read about that?

It is more important to buy the Trezor direct from the manufacturer. In theory, someone could load compromised firmware into a Trezor, repackage it, and sell it on to an unsuspecting buyer. Trezors come from the factory containing only a bootloader, forcing buyers to load fresh firmware. If the device arrived already loaded, then something is wrong! However, a clever hacker could still get around this protection.

The Ledger apparently performs a validity check with every use. Thus, you can have a higher confidence that the firmware isn't compromised. Plus, Ledger's use of a Secure Element (an I/O limited 2nd microcontroller) makes it a lot harder to hack.

Both devices can fall victim to social engineering. A crook could preload a seed and trick people into using it by including an "updated" manual. To protect against this, a user should spend time on the Trezor and Ledger sites and learn about how the device should work. If the received device acts differently, then something is wrong.

...

The two devices have vastly different approaches to security:

Trezor has security through an open source design. This has allowed "white hats" to discover flaws. Conversely, it also allows "black hats" to create malicious clones.

Ledger has security through obscurity. Nobody outside of Ledger knows fully what is going on inside the Secure Element. But what happens when the secret leaks...
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My Ledger did arrive (apart from all invoice stuff) and after initial problems I was able to initialize it, create a new wallet and secure it.

Question: I have several ERC20 tokens, currently hold in Coinomi mobile wallet.
I want to transfer them to Ledger - is there a way to scan/replicate/teleport/sweep my funds from Coinomi to Ledger OTHER than simply send tokens?
I'm asking, cause transfer fees for ERC20 are awfully expensive comparing to other coins...

Initial impression - it's a very complicated ecosystem with veeeeery bad UX/UI in my subjective opinion.
Chrome apps? Really? Why there is not a native Windows/Linux/Mac app with all the accounts holds together?
Separate apps for almost each coin is super counterintuitive.
Also, the system, when you have to close one "wallet" chromium app to launch manager for example is hyper stupid.
From UX point of view, also launching app is stupid - the app should initiate the connection, not the device itself - device should only confirm PIN/password.
Last but not least - why 2 buttons only? Was third button really so expensive to add?

I know, that human can get used to almost everything and maybe (I'm not engineer) there are some technical specification that force this kind of "stupidity" but for me, as a UX designer (I'm not bragging here, just trying to say, that I'm not a "rookie" in computer tech) and a normal user this is just plain stupid. And calling hardware wallets "easy" to use
- as I saw in some websites - are waaaaaaaaaaaaay exaggerated.
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Chrome apps? Really? Why there is not a native Windows/Linux/Mac app with all the accounts holds together?
Most likely because it is already cross-platform... and easier to maintain ONE codebase than three.


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Separate apps for almost each coin is super counterintuitive.
Why? It helps keeps thing segregated. The number of people who seem to like loading up BCH addresses and sending BTC when on exchanges that have everything in one place would indicate that this may not be such a bad thing.

Also, it means from a development perspective, there are less likely to be issues when updating/adding new coins... you change something in BTC app you only need to test BTC app, you don't have to do regression testing on EVERYTHING to make sure you haven't screwed up another part of the codebase... makes testing faster and means they can release updates faster, which is good for users Smiley


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Also, the system, when you have to close one "wallet" chromium app to launch manager for example is hyper stupid.
No, it isn't... can you imagine the problems that might occur should you happen to start "managing" apps while the wallet is busy communicating with one?

Ensuring that only ONE process is using the device at a time is a good thing in my opinion.


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From UX point of view, also launching app is stupid - the app should initiate the connection, not the device itself - device should only confirm PIN/password.
I'm not sure I follow, you launch the wallet app in Chrome and it opens and waits. You then select the coin you want to use on the device and it "pairs" with the Chrome wallet app. Not really any different to connecting say your phone to a WiFi hotspot is it?


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Last but not least - why 2 buttons only? Was third button really so expensive to add?
I'd say it was more about "space"... I think a 3rd button would have been a bit of a "tight" fit and could have lead to accidental clicking of buttons.

And, to be honest, I don't see the need for a third button... is it really that hard to click both buttons together as "select"? Huh


Mind you, I've been using it for a while now... so it might just be an experience thing.

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Chrome apps? Really? Why there is not a native Windows/Linux/Mac app with all the accounts holds together?
Most likely because it is already cross-platform... and easier to maintain ONE codebase than three.
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Separate apps for almost each coin is super counterintuitive.
Why? It helps keeps thing segregated. The number of people who seem to like loading up BCH addresses and sending BTC when on exchanges that have everything in one place would indicate that this may not be such a bad thing.
Also, it means from a development perspective, there are less likely to be issues when updating/adding new coins... you change something in BTC app you only need to test BTC app, you don't have to do regression testing on EVERYTHING to make sure you haven't screwed up another part of the codebase... makes testing faster and means they can release updates faster, which is good for users Smiley
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Also, the system, when you have to close one "wallet" chromium app to launch manager for example is hyper stupid.
No, it isn't... can you imagine the problems that might occur should you happen to start "managing" apps while the wallet is busy communicating with one?
Ensuring that only ONE process is using the device at a time is a good thing in my opinion.
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From UX point of view, also launching app is stupid - the app should initiate the connection, not the device itself - device should only confirm PIN/password.
I'm not sure I follow, you launch the wallet app in Chrome and it opens and waits. You then select the coin you want to use on the device and it "pairs" with the Chrome wallet app. Not really any different to connecting say your phone to a WiFi hotspot is it?
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Last but not least - why 2 buttons only? Was third button really so expensive to add?
I'd say it was more about "space"... I think a 3rd button would have been a bit of a "tight" fit and could have lead to accidental clicking of buttons.
And, to be honest, I don't see the need for a third button... is it really that hard to click both buttons together as "select"? Huh
Mind you, I've been using it for a while now... so it might just be an experience thing.

Thank you for your answer. The important thing here is to understand, that I was posting only MY PERSONAL OPINION as a brand new/fresh user (what I've stated in my original post, but maybe not clearly enough).
Anyway, I tend to value opinions of every other person, cause that's help me to understand other points of view and update (at some points) my assumptions in terms of better UX designing.

As I wrote, I'm not an engineer and probably there are solid TECHNICAL reasons this is constructed in a way it is now, I'm not arguing on that.
The only thing I'm arguing is the stupidity of some solutions that Ledger is imprinting here - and ONLY as a new user!
I also wrote (which you also pointed) that probably after weeks of using Ledger you just get use to it and treat it like a "normal". These were only my initial impressions.

Still, I beg to disagree in some points.

[Chrome apps]
You're right with cross-platforming, but then you've got a Ripple Wallet, which is... Windows native app, not Chrome app as others.

[separate apps]
Still believe that one "main" app, even if it will have separate "subprograms" for each wallet will benefit for UX/UI.

[additional buttons]
Yes, I still believe adding third button would benefit to UX.
There are several ways to implement it, f.e. there could be a button on the other side of the device, there could be a "flat" button on the side where the LCD is, and so on...
The whole device could be a little bit bigger to hold 3 or even 4 buttons (next, prev, OK, exit).

KEEP IN MIND:
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone to my point of view!
I just like to broaden my horizons through discussion and all of these opinions are only my subjective, personal opinion after using the gear for the first time for like 60 minutes for now Wink

Have a good day and thank you for your input.
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All good mate... as you say, just pointing out some things from *my* perspective Smiley

Wasn't meant to come across as definitive statements for why things are as they are, but more "I think it is like that because...". Honestly, the only people who REALLY know for sure are the Ledger peeps... maybe go hit them up directly and provide some feedback, I'm sure they appreciate the thoughts from a new user.

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All good mate... as you say, just pointing out some things from *my* perspective Smiley

Wasn't meant to come across as definitive statements for why things are as they are, but more "I think it is like that because...". Honestly, the only people who REALLY know for sure are the Ledger peeps... maybe go hit them up directly and provide some feedback, I'm sure they appreciate the thoughts from a new user.
Yeah, sure, I'm mailing them back & forth for a week now to get an invoice, so I rather pass.
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Looks like you're getting your "one app to rule them all" Wink

https://www.ledger.fr/2018/02/23/announcing-new-ledger-wallet-desktop-mobile-applications/

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Initial released feature: One unique App for all currencies

Our initial release will bring all the current set of features supported by all our different apps, but in a unified and multi currency unique application.

You’ll find the full list of features of this first release below

  • Native desktop application (Windows, macOS, Linux)
  • Multi currencies (23 cryptos including Bitcoin, Altcoins, Ethereum, Ripple…)
  • Multi devices (Ledger Nano S, Ledger Blue)
  • Read only consultation of accounts without device (protected by optional password)
  • Dashboard view of all assets
  • Counter values: choice of currency & exchanges
  • Send, receive, account balances & history
  • Confirmation before sending funds
  • On device verification of the receive address
  • Faster account synchronisation engine

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Praise the Lord!  Grin
I'm truly amazed and in fact (which is rare in my case) I'm not being sarcastic right now  Wink


Cheers!


PS. a very good move, in my (modest) opinion.
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To be honest, it *had* to happen... Google are removing Chrome Apps, so it wasn't a long term solution...

I'm looking forward to checking them out, especially the mobile app... as unfortunately the "best" Android solution we currently have (Mycelium) has become a bit of a nightmare following their decisions to try and turn the wallet into an ad platform and/or dodgy Russian ICO marketing platform Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It will be be nice to have an alternative.

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I've been waiting for some weeks to see if finally Trezor starts selling Trezor T for anyone, but I see little movement with that. Now I'm doubting between keep waiting or buy Ledger Nano S now, since nano is available again.
Same question as the subject of the thread but a few months later. It annoys me that I finally decide to buy Ledger Nano and then they begin to sell Trezor T  Grin

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I've been waiting for some weeks to see if finally Trezor starts selling Trezor T for anyone, but I see little movement with that. Now I'm doubting between keep waiting or buy Ledger Nano S now, since nano is available again.
Same question as the subject of the thread but a few months later. It annoys me that I finally decide to buy Ledger Nano and then they begin to sell Trezor T  Grin
The preorders have already been sent out from what you can read up on their official company website
https://blog.trezor.io/first-trezor-model-t-dispatched-warehouse-shipping-preorder-86615b55ffd3

and they are telling of the shipments of those individuals to expect an email to be received once they are shipped to them just released about 2 hours ago
https://twitter.com/TREZOR/status/969233175783333889
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The preorders have already been sent out from what you can read up on their official company website
https://blog.trezor.io/first-trezor-model-t-dispatched-warehouse-shipping-preorder-86615b55ffd3

and they are telling of the shipments of those individuals to expect an email to be received once they are shipped to them just released about 2 hours ago
https://twitter.com/TREZOR/status/969233175783333889

I hope they will finish shipping out pre-orders by the end of the next week. Did anyone here pre-ordered their new device? What batch are you in? I'm in the third batch. Magnetic dock is a nice thing to have but I have no idea where I should place it. What a pity that SD card features are not ready yet, hopefully they will release proper updates to enable such things as encrypting, labeling etc. According to TREZOR's twitter, regular sales should start in Q2 2018.

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