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February 23, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Last edit: February 23, 2018, 11:35:11 PM by frodocooper
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If all goes well, u can test a unit in march right?

Phil, why not u just pay them for one unit first and get that one unit shipped asap and tested before u pay them for the other 4. This is still not a sure thing. There are those that say they could have been in innosilicon factory. That would explain the vid because there were no other DM stickers on the other DM units that are wrapped in plastic. There were DM stickers only for the units on show. There is a chance that they did get into innosilicon factory as others say....and maybe placed the stickers there.
CK never saw or tested the units. He helped them remotely only. This is not a 100% either.

It is sure that it exists .  Just not sure if and when people will get them.  Which is why I will not send mony via cc or paypal to yoshi until he tells me to.

I suggest waiting to pay for these to all that want them. Until they show in the field and btw they are better specs  but an s-9 selling at 800 to 1000 is a better deal to anyone with low power cost.  So even if these show up and work and do 16th at 1200 watts

antminer might simply sell the s-9 for 800 to 1000



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February 25, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
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First guys to soon receive a Dragonmint unit, please check your machine if we can find out some more information to clear out this 'bermuda triangle' theory.  Cheesy

I highly suspect that Innosilicon hardware is involved in the Dragonmint unit.

Halong Mining Innosilicon DragonMint 16Th/s  ?

Still haven't got any replies from Halong or Inno for my questions about this.

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

And another design comparison here (pay attention to the controller with this image as well): https://i.imgur.com/a9sZcJa.jpg

I surely can't be the only one who sees these similiar design details?

One detail to also pay attention  is that the Innosilicon control board uses reversed PWM signal for the cooling fan control.
This method is not that commonly used.
Delta TFC1212DE are cooling fans that are controlled with a reversed PWM signal.
DragonMint and Innosilicon A4+, A5 miners use these cooling fans.
This detail also supports my theory.

Its not really that much new, it was announced one day later after Bitmain has announce their A3 miner, something seems fishy, like they are trying to compete with them...

I think they have a hidden connection.  And are far more related to each other then we know.


But that is my own conspiracy theory. Grin

Well, to make it more interesting, I bet there is some kind of a triangle connection between Halong-Innosilicon-Bitmain   Cheesy

Gotta love them consiparicy theories.

But seriously, I think Inno is somehow involved in this Dragonmint project.

Kind of a Bermuda Triangle but  based in Asia instead.  Cool

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February 25, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
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Sent the email  below a few minutes ago:


Re: Dragonmint
Sunday, February 25, 2018 12:35 PM
From:
"PHILIP Axxxxxx" <philipaxxxxxx@yahxxom>
To:
philipaxxxxx@yahxxom "Yoshi Gxxx" <yoshi@bixxxxxxxxxxxxyom>

Dear Yoshi

Happy New Years!

Now that holidays are over I thought I might ask if you can get 1 early unit as  you mentioned to me in our emails.

   I would not reveal anything to the public other then that it works along with the power it consumes to hash at 16th.
 I will soon be doing a nice gpu review a large industrial style 16 gpu unit.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015786.0

It would be nice to get a unit from you as soon as you can provide one. I can pay with paypal when you are ready to ship the early one to me.  I would need 5 all told.. 1 soon then 4  in late March .

Buysolar and I are planning to add a second solar array  which will more then double our power So units from you and the 16 gpu units will be nice to have on hand.

Best  regards,

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March 01, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
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It doesn't mean much right now, but I'll be glad to post pics and specs of the 5 units I ordered for the April batch if/when I receive them. I'm guessing they'll arrive on April 30th! Also, I ordered 10 PSUs with the hope of being able to run all of them off my standard 110v home circuits...2 PSUs per miner. If that doesn't work then I suppose I'll have to pay for a few 220v circuits to be installed. I remain optimistic about their arrival, of course! 
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March 01, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
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It doesn't mean much right now, but I'll be glad to post pics and specs of the 5 units I ordered for the April batch if/when I receive them. I'm guessing they'll arrive on April 30th! Also, I ordered 10 PSUs with the hope of being able to run all of them off my standard 110v home circuits...2 PSUs per miner. If that doesn't work then I suppose I'll have to pay for a few 220v circuits to be installed. I remain optimistic about their arrival, of course! 

Amperage is what you need to be on the lookout for at home, not necessarily voltage.  Your circuits probably run 15-20 amps per, and these miners will burn about 10 amps per unit at 110v.  You may be able to run two per circuit, but you'll be cutting it close.  If you upgrade to 220 you basically cut your amperage in half.  One 30 amp 220v circuit will run all five without tripping the breaker (although I would pay for two 30 amp circuits and balance them between).  Maybe an electrician can chime in here, I only know this stuff through experience, not trade.

Electricity aside, what you really have to deal with is the heat.  These devices are high wattage, and therefore create thousands of BTUs per machine.  You can find a calculator online to give you an estimate.  If you have these indoors you'll find that residential AC won't cut it, even with just three machines or so.  You'll need to devise a way to move hot air outside and pull an equal amount of cooler air into your space.  There is some math involved, and I suggest you do your due diligence and wrap your head around it before you have a 200f degree room in your home.

Good luck.
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March 01, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
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It doesn't mean much right now, but I'll be glad to post pics and specs of the 5 units I ordered for the April batch if/when I receive them. I'm guessing they'll arrive on April 30th! Also, I ordered 10 PSUs with the hope of being able to run all of them off my standard 110v home circuits...2 PSUs per miner. If that doesn't work then I suppose I'll have to pay for a few 220v circuits to be installed. I remain optimistic about their arrival, of course! 

Speaking as one who tried everything else first and ended up getting 220, I would suggest you skip the in between and just get the 220. I had 2 circuits 2 outlets each for a total of 4, electrician charged 750 USD including the stock he used. I live in the expensive northeast and my house is 120 years old. The converters I bought that were terrible cost almost as much and I had to sell them at a big loss.I hope you get your units.
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March 01, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
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Speaking as one who tried everything else first and ended up getting 220, I would suggest you skip the in between and just get the 220.

If you can afford to do this, best option.  I would figure out the heat first, though.
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March 02, 2018, 02:51:17 PM
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When are the first orders expected to be delivered?

I should be getting mine soon not sure when though!!
Sure sounds a lot like the early days of the BFL/Bitmine.ch/AMT threads. Starry-eyed high hopes from newbs despite zero physical proof of product. Then it finally became very apparent that despite having made functional prototypes said companies failed miserably at getting a production-ready version going and the pitchforks/torches started to be handed out...

At least through it all BFL/Bitmine.ch/AMT talked to folks right up to the very end. Halong exec's on the other hand are smugly sitting back watching money roll in and not saying a word. Still gives a very hinky and certainly not fuzzy-warm feeling. Frankly, I don't care if they *do* actually deliver an on-time product they will never see a single Satoshi from me because of their hubris.

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March 02, 2018, 02:53:31 PM
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I would've really liked if Halong would've been more open so far.

They said that they will be a better option than Bitmain.

Instead they are even more closed than Bitmain when it comes to the information available.

So it's not much of an improvement in my opinion.

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I would've really liked if Halong would've been more open so far.

They said they will be better option than Bitmain.

Instead they are even more closed than Bitmain when it comes to the information available.

So it's not much of an improvement.

They did release this youtube video though which LOOKS VERY promising

https://youtu.be/93UzVnRe6t0
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March 02, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
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I would've really liked if Halong would've been more open so far.

They said that they will be a better option than Bitmain.

Instead they are even more closed than Bitmain when it comes to the information available.

So it's not much of an improvement in my opinion.

Since it was after the Chinese New years I contacted Yoshi he has promised to ship a unit out in march then 4 more later so I am hopeful .  I have not paid anything in as he told me I could pay with cc or paypal when item is ready to ship.

I feel for those that ordered in Nov 2017 has to be a long wait for them.

Are they transparent no so far not true.

I Hope that it works as advertised.
I hope it ships on time
I will get back with more info when yoshi ships one to me.

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March 03, 2018, 03:10:58 AM
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When are the first orders expected to be delivered?

I should be getting mine soon not sure when though!!

"March 15-22 tentatively"

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March 03, 2018, 05:41:49 AM
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When are the first orders expected to be delivered?

I should be getting mine soon not sure when though!!

"March 15-22 tentatively"

Not a slam..but with these units..is there any 'advantage' maybe, over Bitmain..in that they are dumping 3 months of units at the same time (pre-orders).

Curious. Again, if this stuff exists I hope you have some edge on Bitmain...price/hash/or whatever.....just asking


 
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It begins. Bitmain's starting to undercut the price and delivery time by nearly two months.

Will Halong be able to weather the price drops and remain competitive/profitable? I think we'll find out by fall with reliability reports of the units running more than half a year from now. If they carry forward with a competitive attitude, preferably as a leader and not a follower in pricing, they'll get more market share.

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It begins. Bitmain's starting to undercut the price and delivery time by nearly two months.

Will Halong be able to weather the price drops and remain competitive/profitable? I think we'll find out by fall with reliability reports of the units running more than half a year from now. If they carry forward with a competitive attitude, preferably as a leader and not a follower in pricing, they'll get more market share.

It might almost be funny to see what happens if Halong is able to piss in Bitmains Cornflakes!!  My money would be on Bitmain in the case of a price war!!!!

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March 03, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
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So, if the first units are expected to be delivered  in March 15,
in about two weeks I'm expecting all this secrecy to end and have some good information about the DragonMint miner.

I mean, all that secrecy has been pretty funny and sometimes childish so far.
Or what do you guys think about this few months ago, for example:
400x267 pixels picture. Really?

Yup because guys like you can't go zooming in.  You can clearly tell its not an S9.... Wait til the video/pictures come out.  Cheers.

And I hope Phil is able to get one from Yoshi for a review.  Smiley

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The key  for DragonMint is to price a tiny bit high and not do a price war.


Bitmain  has more then 20,000 btc in 1 single address  that is 200,000,000  usd  DragonMint simply can not win a price war  with a 16th 1200 watt miner.

As bitmain  could sell s-9's for a profit at 800 usd.  They got into a price war with  Spondollies  sp20 and dropped the s-5 down to 350 usd plus shipping .

So if they had to they could sell s-9's at well under 800.  An 800 dollar s-9  looks better then a 2000 dollar dragonmint to anyone with low power cost.

If Dragonmint  prices at 2300 it will still be a bit high.


https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t-miner/

it sold out at

DragonMint 16T Miner

$2,729.00

Or will they just come back and release it at 2000.

Remember it was offered at  1400 or so back around black Friday.

To me an s-9  for 1815 (with a coupon)  in March vs a dragonmint for 2729 in May

the choice = easy

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March 03, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
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Yep. It's over a 15% premium and 2 months of waiting ahead of the S9s. Two months of mining is a ton of profit.

Currently, you would have to buy 13 Dragons to get 208 TH, at about 37k.
The same amount of TH would be 32k from Bitmain, 16 units. Less with coupons.

The choice is easy.

Phil, I agree they cannot win a war currently with Bitmain on pricing. The best they can do is have their gear more efficient at a slightly higher price point with similar delivery benchmarks. Unfortunately, 2 months is far too much of a premium at this point. And quite honestly, I've always had an overall high level of reliability from Bitmain. Time will tell how these units perform.

Let's see what Halong does next.

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March 05, 2018, 11:58:07 PM
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You can pretty easily tell that bitmain cares not at all about halong mining being a competitor. I mean just look at how they mocked Halong with https://tulipmining.com/

Bitmain is over there doing 2 billion USD a year in miner sales. They have no competition when it comes to larger customers. I mean if you have the money and rep, you can call bitmain and have 6000 s9s delivered before Halong even finishes shipping singles to people, and at a WAY better price.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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March 06, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
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They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

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