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April 04, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
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An 10nm ASIC including an AB quad-core only at eye level with Bitmain’s 16nm ASIC in non-AB mode? Interesting.

It seems there are no low hanging fruits for more efficient ASICs anymore. Just to move to the newest technology node is not enough.

Also Ebang failed with a 10nm ASIC to get the “most efficient ASIC” crown. And GMO is not publishing any data about its 12nm prototypes.

U mean the dragonmint is on a 10nm node? Bitmain S9 is now 16nm right? Ebang 10nm miner is about 5k USD, at 18Th at 90watts per TH. It is good but expensive. I dunno how much more expensive producing 10nm is over 16nm but dragons are cheap if compared to Ebang's.

Wat u complained about is normal competition and it occurs in all industries. It is the same reason why mom-and-pop stores cannot compete against Walmart and even big retailers cannot compete against amazon. Amazon has killed tons more competition than bitmain did and ever will. Same with Walmart,etc. Competitors will lower prices to priced others out of the market. It is a normal strategy.

And this is why I wonder why do asic manufacturers compete in this sort of market. Why not focus on some algo that has no asic yet. Dragon can make money there without competition.

Max btc difficulty can rise is about 0.7T per month and this without new manufacturers coming in. Last month till now, it only rose 0.5T. This is why bitmain can now deliver a miner to u in the same week and not need 3 months. It is overcapacity. I hope bitmain fires some workers and lower production but sigh, it seems they have lowered asic price again...sigh.



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April 04, 2018, 01:37:22 PM
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U mean the dragonmint is on a 10nm node? Bitmain S9 is now 16nm right? Ebang 10nm miner is about 5k USD, at 18Th at 90watts per TH. It is good but expensive. I dunno how much more expensive producing 10nm is over 16nm but dragons are cheap if compared to Ebang's.


Wat u complained about is normal competition and it occurs in all industries. It is the same reason why mom-and-pop stores cannot compete against Walmart and even big retailers cannot compete against amazon. Amazon has killed tons more competition than bitmain did and ever will. Same with Walmart,etc. Competitors will lower prices to priced others out of the market. It is a normal strategy.


And this is why I wonder why do asic manufacturers compete in this sort of market. Why not focus on some algo that has no asic yet. Dragon can make money there without competition.

Max btc difficulty can rise is about 0.7T per month and this without new manufacturers coming in. Last month till now, it only rose 0.5T. This is why bitmain can now deliver a miner to u in the same week and not need 3 months. It is overcapacity. I hope bitmain fires some workers and lower production but sigh, it seems they have lowered asic price again...sigh.


The 10nm information was given by halongmining. I just quoted it again.
Ebangs 10nm miner is more in the range of 120 J/TH (reported by an bitcointalk user who has the miner in hand). BTW, Ebang removed any efficiency specs from their website, so I assume they have a problem.

In general it makes no sense to make any assumptions about the miner production costs based on the retail price, which is driven by supply and demand (and other BTC specific things like self-mining hardware manufacturer).
10nm should have in general an advantage over 16nm, if the yield is right and the implementation is comparable. But only a price war would discover, who has the lowest production costs and is most competitive. This already happened once and Spondoolies went bankrupt.

And I’m not complaining at all, I’m just saying, that it is nowadays not sufficient to use the newest semiconductor technology (e.g. 10nm or even 7nm) to realize the most competitive mining ASIC.
Either Halong/Eband/GMO did a real bad job at 10/12nm,
or it is still to early to go to this nodes,
or Bitmain/Canaan (and maybe Bitfury, who knows) are heaving a superior implementation at 16nm, which gives them a hard to beat competitive advantage.
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April 04, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
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I'm going to play the devils advocate here for a minute. Imagine a scenario where there is a giant miner manufacturer. They are huge, and extremely powerful, and they will go to any means necessary to cement their position including actions that are immoral, though most of them are within the definition of "legal", and said company had unlimited reserves of money at their disposal for said purposes. They could take actions like appealing zoning variances in various locations, filing frivolous lawsuits against companies, and secretly against individuals via proxies. This company could analyze a competitors supply and distribution chain, find the weakest link, and "attack" there to cause the new company to be late or not be able to deliver on their commitments thereby irreparably damaging their reputation.  Now the questions you need to ask yourself are, "Is there a company that would do things like this?" and "If I were trying to unseat this companies monopoly, would I be a little paranoid until whatever point I had achieved legitimacy, and built up my own cash reserves in order to defend myself?"  Dragonmint is probably in the red still right now and while they may of secured the resources to design and make miners, and ship them out that doesn't mean they have the kind of money on hand to defend themselves legally from an attacker with unlimited reserves. There's alot of money at stake here, and there HAS been an obvious reaction to them with prices all through the market, so it's safe to say, SOMEONES taking them seriously, and is willing to lose money so that Dragonmint doesn't make any.

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April 04, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
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I'm going to play the devils advocate here for a minute. Imagine a scenario where there is a giant miner manufacturer. They are huge, and extremely powerful, and they will go to any means necessary to cement their position including actions that are immoral, though most of them are within the definition of "legal", and said company had unlimited reserves of money at their disposal for said purposes. They could take actions like appealing zoning variances in various locations, filing frivolous lawsuits against companies, and secretly against individuals via proxies. This company could analyze a competitors supply and distribution chain, find the weakest link, and "attack" there to cause the new company to be late or not be able to deliver on their commitments thereby irreparably damaging their reputation.  Now the questions you need to ask yourself are, "Is there a company that would do things like this?" and "If I were trying to unseat this companies monopoly, would I be a little paranoid until whatever point I had achieved legitimacy, and built up my own cash reserves in order to defend myself?"  Dragonmint is probably in the red still right now and while they may of secured the resources to design and make miners, and ship them out that doesn't mean they have the kind of money on hand to defend themselves legally from an attacker with unlimited reserves. There's alot of money at stake here, and there HAS been an obvious reaction to them with prices all through the market, so it's safe to say, SOMEONES taking them seriously, and is willing to lose money so that Dragonmint doesn't make any.

Unfortunately, alot of such occur.
When it comes to money, thats how it often is. Big companies do the same thing, big oil companies especially. U should go watch netflix documentary genius regarding the inventor of the TV. He made nothing in the end thanks to lawsuits,etc. Banks facilitate financial crimes all the time and they will get fined later but claim no wrongdoing. U may wanna look at netflix documentary dirty money on HSBC.
However, those are more extreme examples and some are alleged illegal actions, different from this. Pricing products lower to compete and kill off a competitor is somewhat a more normal tactic though.

Just my 2 cents

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April 04, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
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so when does this thread get moved to "hardware"?  Not sure if we can call this speculation anymore.  Units shipped...check!  People bitching about said units.....check!
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I'm going to play the devils advocate here for a minute. Imagine a scenario where there is a giant miner manufacturer. They are huge, and extremely powerful, and they will go to any means necessary to cement their position including actions that are immoral, though most of them are within the definition of "legal", and said company had unlimited reserves of money at their disposal for said purposes. They could take actions like appealing zoning variances in various locations, filing frivolous lawsuits against companies, and secretly against individuals via proxies. This company could analyze a competitors supply and distribution chain, find the weakest link, and "attack" there to cause the new company to be late or not be able to deliver on their commitments thereby irreparably damaging their reputation.  Now the questions you need to ask yourself are, "Is there a company that would do things like this?" and "If I were trying to unseat this companies monopoly, would I be a little paranoid until whatever point I had achieved legitimacy, and built up my own cash reserves in order to defend myself?"  Dragonmint is probably in the red still right now and while they may of secured the resources to design and make miners, and ship them out that doesn't mean they have the kind of money on hand to defend themselves legally from an attacker with unlimited reserves. There's alot of money at stake here, and there HAS been an obvious reaction to them with prices all through the market, so it's safe to say, SOMEONES taking them seriously, and is willing to lose money so that Dragonmint doesn't make any.

Unfortunately, alot of such occur.
When it comes to money, thats how it often is. Big companies do the same thing, big oil companies especially. U should go watch netflix documentary genius regarding the inventor of the TV. He made nothing in the end thanks to lawsuits,etc. Banks facilitate financial crimes all the time and they will get fined later but claim no wrongdoing. U may wanna look at netflix documentary dirty money on HSBC.
However, those are more extreme examples and some are alleged illegal actions, different from this. Pricing products lower to compete and kill off a competitor is somewhat a more normal tactic though.

Just my 2 cents

That's fair - but be upfront about it and let us know why you're being so anonymous. Otherwise, you come across shady af.
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[....] @DrMann our stance is that each customer able to make their own decisions based on the information available. Reputation is built on fulfilment of promises, the rest is just fluff in actuality. . . . This is a new paradigm, and if you do not feel comfortable about it, that's fine, no-one is forcing anyone to participate.

That isn't actually how business works. Fulfillment of promises is one part. Allowing yourself and your company to be held accountable for your actions is quite another. You have done everything possible to obfuscate your identity, to operate in a shadowy manner, to evade the reach of regulatory authorities including the judicial system and law enforcement. If a consumer or business has a valid legal claim against Halong Mining, hypothetically, for design defect or theft of intellectual property, you have left no path in which such a claim could be resolved by a neutral third party. That is completely unacceptable in business. No legitimate business operates that way. New paradigm? Nonsense. The paradigm for accountability has not changed. The paradigm for applying for a business license has not changed. The paradigm for disclosing your jurisdiction of incorporation has not changed. The paradigm for having a registered agent who can receive service of process for a valid legal claim has not changed. The paradigm for application of FCC certification when selling to U.S. customers has not changed. Basic standards for legitimate business operation exist internationally. Halong Mining meets none of them and arrogantly dismisses them as "just fluff."

You have claimed an FCC certification of the DragonMint T1, but you provide no evidence of it, and despite best efforts, no one can find it. When questioned in this forum about it, you refused to provide it. The FCC's online searchable database yields no results for it. This troubling discrepancy, coupled with your (1) unknown identity, (2) your unknown jurisdiction of incorporation, (3) your unknown managers, (4) your unknown engineers, (5) your unknown safety compliance standards, make it impossible for any responsible datacenter business to allow the DragonMint T1 to be hosted in its facility without liability shifting to the datacenter should it burn down due to a DragonMint design defect. We do not know who you are, and we cannot hold you accountable. We need to know that you are not crooks, that you've not stolen intellectual party from innocent third parties, that you are above-board players. We need to know that you recognize that these questions are fair game and reasonable to ask of you.

We should all ask ourselves: what exactly is it that Halong Mining has to fear? Why does it refuse to make available such basic information about itself, i.e., the kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly provide?

I had genuinely hoped that Halong Mining would step-up, answer these legitimate and lingering questions, and become an above-board player. I am one of your customers (April Batch 2). I impulsively bought many DM units. (My mistake, never again.) I wanted to know I can safely plug them in, and that I am not jeopardizing the safety of others. I also wanted other would-be customers to see the kind of unusual business standards that Halong Mining employs. You said last month that you were operating in such secrecy out of necessity due to sensitive negotiations regarding the AsicBoost patent, but that period has passed now, the cat is out of the bag, and you still refuse to operate above-board. I agree with you about one thing. Consumers will make their own decisions based on the information available on whether to buy from Halong Mining. Unfortunately, your decisions have severely damaged Halong Mining's brand equity before it even completed its first batch delivery.

[....] There is also an unofficial chat on Telegram, https://t.me/dragonmint . . . . [A]s a rule we do not monitor this forum.

Convenient. A Telegram Group that you moderate, in which you can censor posts, avoid accountability and legitimate questions, and ban users. No thank you. A number of those users have already reported in this thread that you have removed them from your Telegram Group. This forum is frequented by some of the most reputable, most merited individuals in the crypto community. It also contains others, your customers, including myself. It is interesting that you say you do not monitor this forum, because I have noticed on your Bitcointalk profile page every time I have checked that you have usually logged in within the last few hours. If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you engage with the community here in an open, candid way and set the record straight about your company's legitimacy. Answer the kinds of questions that legitimate businesses are happy to answer. On the other hand, your remaining silent on these questions is an answer in and of itself.
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April 04, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
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so when does this thread get moved to "hardware"?  Not sure if we can call this speculation anymore.  Units shipped...check!  People bitching about said units.....check!

Maybe they have to pay a "listing fee"  Cheesy

There's a good amount of units in the wild being confirmed! I should get my Blakes at the tail end of this week too.

That isn't actually how business works.

Isn't it great to have the option of buying what you want?

I'd rather Halong spend time into their business, hardware, and delivering than to debating every topic on the forums. This is a multi-billion dollar industry, and any disruption that happens such as what Halong is doing and continues to do is certain to rile feathers in this business sector. This is a good thing. Look at how much the S9's are being flooded out into the market. This most recently reminds me of Spoondolies and their offerings and Bitmain's general shadowing and flooding responses. While it may not be directly primary factor, it's definitely a contributing factor. Again, this is a good thing for consumers, and if Halong navigates through the waves correctly, they'll continue to gain market share.

I for one am grateful that a company accessible and responsive through multiple avenues, it's something that is commendable. Have we ever seen a manufacturer that has delivered miners accept more than half a dozen crypto payment methods directly?

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April 04, 2018, 07:33:03 PM
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That isn't actually how business works.
Isn't it great to have the option of buying what you want?

Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?


I'd rather Halong spend time into their business, hardware, and delivering than to debating every topic on the forums.

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post.


This is a multi-billion dollar industry, and any disruption that happens such as what Halong is doing and continues to do is certain to rile feathers in this business sector. This is a good thing.

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.


I for one am grateful that a company accessible and responsive through multiple avenues, it's something that is commendable. Have we ever seen a manufacturer that has delivered miners accept more than half a dozen crypto payment methods directly?

Did you read about how Halong has censored its Telegram Group and banned users from it? That's not accessibility. That's shameful and shady.... If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly before his illegitimate business was exposed, would you have found his company "commendable" too?
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April 04, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
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Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.

I've been buying ASICs since late 2012 and I find nothing unusual about Halong's approach, especially with the information that was revealed about overt ASICBoost. In my opinion, this moves towards equality, and unity in the sector. There are powerful actors in the field that will want to mitigate that progress as much as possible for selfish reasons, and for that very reason, I understand how discrete a company in the forefront will want to be. As for safety, the worst experience I've personally had with thousands of miners were KNC connectors, which at times had 300w through a single PCI, causing the worst failure rate of any units I've ever had.

If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly, would you have found his business "commendable" too?

If Bernie made ASIC hardware and actually delivered it as Halong continues to do, yes. I find it fairly divisive that Bitmain, for instance, accepts crypto payments in only BCH currently. I would find it commendable that any hardware manufacturer opens up payments to other cryptos, especially ones that they specifically sell miners for.

As long as the units are being delivered as advertised, I see nothing wrong with Halong. So far, all the T1's have been within specifications. I expect the other offerings to follow suit, and will report back on my Blake miners when I receive them.

As for anything, caveat emptor. If you are not confident in purchasing any gear, no one is forcing you to do so. Continue sleuthing if you feel there are legitimate concerns, everyone has a different set of qualifications they look for in that. Wait it out and check out some of the reviews and confirmations of delivery, and if you're feeling it, have at it. Having done my research and meeting Scott Offord in person, I've felt comfortable with my purchases, and I look forward to the future offerings that are in store. As always, I'm happy to share my experiences with this company with this community.

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That isn't actually how business works.
Isn't it great to have the option of buying what you want?

Yes. And isn't great how efficiently information can be shared about highly questionable business practices?


I'd rather Halong spend time into their business, hardware, and delivering than to debating every topic on the forums.

No one is asking Halong to debate anything. We have simply asked Halong to share the most basic kind of information that legitimate businesses worldwide uniformly share about themselves. That would take them 5 minutes to post. (No exaggeration.) We really just need Halong to post: (1) its incorporation number, and (2) its FCC certificate number. Do you honestly find that an overly burdensome request? That could be a one sentence post.


This is a multi-billion dollar industry, and any disruption that happens such as what Halong is doing and continues to do is certain to rile feathers in this business sector. This is a good thing.

How is the lack of accountability by a business a "good thing"? Hypothetically, if a serious, dangerous design defect in the DragonMint exists, or if an innocent 3rd party can conclusively prove that Halong engaged in theft of its intellectual property, how exactly is that lack of accountability a good thing? We have no idea who Halong Mining is, no idea where they are, and no idea how to hail them into court should a valid case arise at some future point. That is not a good thing.


I for one am grateful that a company accessible and responsive through multiple avenues, it's something that is commendable. Have we ever seen a manufacturer that has delivered miners accept more than half a dozen crypto payment methods directly?

Did you read about how Halong has censored its Telegram Group and banned users from it? That's not accessibility. That's shameful and shady.... If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly before his illegitimate business was exposed, would you have found his company "commendable" too?

We do know Yoshi Goto is head of Halong Mining.

He would be the one we go after if something were to happen.
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April 04, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
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So the attacks have started...don't get fooled by useless propaganda. This topic is for the hardware part not for discussion politics. Shush away Bitmain's shills!

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I've been buying ASICs since late 2012 and I find nothing unusual about Halong's approach, especially with the information that was revealed about overt ASICBoost. In my opinion, this moves towards equality, and unity in the sector. There are powerful actors in the field that will want to mitigate that progress as much as possible for selfish reasons, and for that very reason, I understand how discrete a company in the forefront will want to be. As for safety, the worst experience I've personally had with thousands of miners were KNC connectors, which at times had 300w through a single PCI, causing the worst failure rate of any units I've ever had.

Powerful actors exist in many industries who want to mitigate the progress of competitors, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to new market entrants who skirt longstanding international business norms that are designed: (1) to help provide consumer protection and safety, and (2) to help ensure fair dealing in the line of commerce among market participants.

As to safety, consider this analogy. If a new startup pharmaceutical company wanted to take on the big pharma players (who in many cases have monopolies on the treatment of certain conditions due to patent protection), would you risk your or your loved ones' lives and ingest pills from that company, even if you had no idea who they were, who their management was, where they are operating, whether they had a business license, and from where they were sourcing their chemicals? Even if the startup were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a drug that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't that company be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

The DragonMint from Halong Mining is anlogous in certain respects. A purported "start-up" claims it wants to embark on grand plans to decentralize and take on the massive player, Bitmain. It operates totally anonymously. Even if Halong were well-intentioned, if they made an innocent mistake and released a product that burned down your house or mining operation --- or emitted fumes that caused serious health problems or birth defects, shouldn't Halong be held accountable if it acted negligently or improperly?

I appreciate that the worst experience you've had is seeing thousands of miners with KNC connectors with extremely high failure rates. What if Halong's miners end up having connectors with extremely high failure rates due to negligence during the manufacturing process or a flawed design? And since Halong is totally anonymous, we'd have no way to hold it accountable if Halong choose not to assume responsibility for them. Would you find that acceptable?

If Bernard Madoff had accepted half a dozen crypto payment methods directly, would you have found his business "commendable" too?
If Bernie made ASIC hardware and actually delivered it as Halong continues to do, yes. [....]

Hypothetically, if Bernie had engaged in theft of intellectual property from an ASIC hardware manufacturer, so long as you received your hardware from him and your Bitcoin account is growing, you're good with that? Don't you think Bernie's ASIC manufacturing company should be held to account?

As for anything, caveat emptor. If you are not confident in purchasing any gear, no one is forcing you to do so. Continue sleuthing if you feel there are legitimate concerns, everyone has a different set of qualifications they look for in that. Wait it out and check out some of the reviews and confirmations of delivery, and if you're feeling it, have at it. Having done my research and meeting Scott Offord in person, I've felt comfortable with my purchases, and I look forward to the future offerings that are in store. [....]

Without a doubt, Halong Mining warrants our legitimate concern and rigorous scrutiny. I've never claimed that anyone is "forcing" me to do anything. My purpose is conclusively illustrating that Halong Mining is engaging in highly questionable business practices, and prospective buyers should proceed with caution and realize that they have no reasonable recourse to hold this "company" accountable should the need arise. In addition, Halong has made claims about the DragonMint that we cannot verify, such as the existence of its supposed FCC certification. Red flags galore, people. Red flags.
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April 04, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
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Man. I'd buy a miner off a dread headed guy going by the name "Hamstake" at a Grateful Dead show if it was good enough and cheap enough. (I'd have to see it running in that case, I'm not stupid) Put the thing on a metal shelf in a room with a concrete floor, invest in a smoke alarm, and stop worrying so much. I wouldn't trust ANY miner. Obviously I wouldn't buy 50 of the things untill all the reviews are in, but I'm worried about mining, pools, hashrates, and power consumption, not who I might be able to sue, or how I might sue them. (Then again, I AM a miner). This all reminds me of when you had friends when you were a kid, and their parents bought them a flock of ATV's but wouldn't let anyone ride them because they were afraid someone would get hurt and sue them. That's one of the biggest things wrong with this world, everyone wants to hold someone accountable for anything that might happen. Shit can't "just happen". By the logic on this thread, people should never buy a miner used from someone on Ebay, or people should always buy the power supply that is provided by the miner manufacturer (which usually sucks), so they can prove liability in the case that something happens.

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It seems that peoples arguments for Halong are all along the lines of them being disruptive to Bitmain. First of all, there are already other ESTABLISHED and trustworthy manufacturers out there (See Canaan Creative). Rather than buying from them, some people choose to champion a brand new company with questionable business practices. The claim that they are for decentralization and all that other hot garbage? Their machines literally FORCE you to mine on specific pools or they dont work at all. This is true forced centralization, something Bitmain has never even come close to attempting. This is a for profit company, just like Bitmain and all the rest so please dont try and make claims about their altruism when they are obviously in it for the money just like everyone else.

People really need to get this "anything is better than bitmain" mantra out of their head because it will do more damage than good. Halong Mining should answer these simple questions about their business. As someone who buys machines by the thousand I wouldn't touch this company with a 100 foot pole. I have taken chances on hardware before, being the first person to bring Ebits to the US. In order to be comfortable with that purchase, I flew to their headquarters and received a full tour of their facilities before even thinking about taking a chance. With Halong, they do everything possible to obfuscate who they are and are unwilling to engage with people in the sector that have proven track records.

Ive met the CEOs of Bitmain, Canaan Creative, and Ebang. Who is the CEO of Halong?


Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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April 04, 2018, 11:45:31 PM
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BOOM

No more speculation.

Good!
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April 05, 2018, 02:59:19 AM
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Please be advised there is a twitter account impersonating me linking sales for this hardware. This is NOT me and is a scam site. My account is ckpooldev, the scammer is using ckpooIdev. Note the uppercase i they're using instead of a lowercase L. Do not go to their linked site.

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April 05, 2018, 07:04:07 AM
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Ok, lets get back to topic shall we?

When do you think Halong is going to lower their pricing? At this point S9s are sub-1k
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April 05, 2018, 10:15:59 AM
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Ok, lets get back to topic shall we?

When do you think Halong is going to lower their pricing? At this point S9s are sub-1k

so  pay 910-925 for a 13.5th machine pulling  1400 watts 6 month warranty = s-9

or pay 1600 for a 13.5 th machine pulling 1340 watts 2 year warranty = avalon 841

or pay 2000 for a 15.2th machine pulling 1500 watts 6 month warranty runs on 2 pools = dragon mint t1


the choice is for the miner to make.

the assessment above seems to be accurate

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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April 05, 2018, 01:44:47 PM
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Hello,

I like to know if anyone has already received his Dragonmint 16T/T1 (Maybe buyers of the "first" March batch?).

Thank you in advance for a short info.
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