DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com

[2112]

What 'we' want is the the miners to work on ALL pools - not just ones that have their code tweaked to accept Little Dragon's AB design that Halong is using. Nothing at all was said about this until 3 months after sales started. Folks purchased them under the impression they would work on ALL pools - not just a very select few.

The real question is: what is preventing pools from adding the support for ASICboost? The official Core Bitcoin client always accepted blocks that were mined with boosting. The recent change was just to remove warning about unexpected forks or version numbers or some such. The required code change is pretty much trivial.

Personally, I see quite a few people felling ashamed that they gotten themselves drawn into the ASICboot propaganda and counter-propaganda. This just increases the inertia of the adoption of it.

Certainly, on the pool side the patents don't apply.

Edit: So you ninja-edited your post:

Then there is Halong and Little Dragon Technology LLC's (holder of the AB patent) intense secrecy as to who actually owns/runs them. Hell they won't even give a City/Provence/street address for contact. All they give is their Lawyers:

More or less standard operating procedure when developing a product that could be subject to contested patent. It appears that your familiarity with patent system is only at the head-end: how to get a patent and hang it on the wall. You don't appear to show any familiarity with the ass-end: how to extract the royalties from unwilling competitor and how to defend yourself against litigation trying to turn your precious framed certificate into a roll of toilet paper.

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[fanatic26]

So let me get this straight....you are comparing an underclocked dragonmint against a full speed s9. Seems like a flawed test from the get go. I can probably go find 100 machines in my DC right now that will match that efficiency if i cherry pick them, and probably a lot more if I used a firmware that allowed me to underclock.

[fanatic26]

I don't get these HalongMining haters:

1) We have one of the world biggest chip manufacturers (Samsung) entering the miners race - They are not new to chip making for this space.
2) 100% legal by Innosilicon confirming they are in partnership with Halong - An email saying they are partnering with them is far from legally binding information about the company itself.
3) Confirmed lowest W/GH on the market after the firmware update - So far everyone showing they hit efficiency targets are using econo mode. At the advertised hash rate it still isnt getting the job done.
4) Shipping date respected from Halong even for series 0 equipment - They were late with some shipping, but not enough to complain about.
5) Price of  Bitmain gear drown down significantly because of healthy competition - Price of bitmain gear is based on ROI, not the competition.
6) Finally a realistic chance to break evil monopoly on mining gear - How is Halong magically breaking this so called monopoly when you can buy miners from Avalon, Ebang, Bitfury, BW, and others already? Halong is one of many.

Instead of jumping up and down Halong did all this in a few months, I see constant nagging and whining and bad energy. What more do you want?

You choose to see what you want to see.

1. The lack of disclosure on the legality of the company is still a thing.
2. The fact that their miners are a rip off of bitmains design and Innos controllers shows they are not all that innovative.
3. The fact that you can literally only mine to 2 BITCOIN only pools was never disclosed. There are other coins a sha256 miner should be able to mine, but the fact that this miner was restricted to bitcoin only was not revealed until MONTHS after presale.

[dimaze]

Then there is Halong and Little Dragon Technology LLC's (holder of the AB patent) intense secrecy as to who actually owns/runs them. Hell they won't even give a City/Provence/street address for contact.\

There is an address that is accessible through public means! I hinted at it nearly a week ago in this thread. It doesn't give much information aside from potential upcoming models/names. The prominent figures are Yoshi and Drak, and probably other investors. Innosilicon confirmed their partnership with Halong. That, along with their ongoing deliveries, is legitimate enough for me. While I can see the perspective of people limited on where they can mine, I'm hopeful more pools adopt support for AB.

I'm personally a pretty happy customer so far with my experience with Halong. I'm eager to see what their next moves are, with regards to general releases and next iterations of hardware (and firmware!)

[chadl2]

Is anyone having issues with the T1's running way hotter than the S9's? Any input? Thanks.

No mine run cool on efficiency setting.

Have you tried the 4-15 firmware update?

it has 3 speeds for settings and fans.

Where did you get a link/download for a new firmware?

[philipma1957]

Is anyone having issues with the T1's running way hotter than the S9's? Any input? Thanks.

No mine run cool on efficiency setting.

Have you tried the 4-15 firmware update?

it has 3 speeds for settings and fans.

Where did you get a link/download for a new firmware?

this is the 4-15 firmware

https://download.halongmining.com/testing/t1_20180415_075807.swu

[-ck]

Is anyone having issues with the T1's running way hotter than the S9's? Any input? Thanks.

They're designed to run at 70-75 degrees. What's yours running at?

[chadl2]

this is the 4-15 firmware

https://download.halongmining.com/testing/t1_20180415_075807.swu

Thank you!


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[philipma1957]

One of my five prefers the mid speed setting. The other four are on low speed


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[-ck]

One of my five prefers the mid speed setting. The other four are on low speed

Note there's a bug in that testing firmware whereby values are stored after an efficient run are then used in balance mode altering where balanced mode ends up. There should be a new testing firmware out soon which squeezes a tiny bit more efficiency out. I'll post a link when it's available. The efficient mode will drop power usage further but sacrifice hashrate a bit too as it tries to find the optimum efficiency point.

[dimaze]

Latest firmware:

https://download.halongmining.com/testing/t1_20180418_054846.swu

[HagssFIN]

These miners have surprisingly exact same design and exact same technical specifications as the Dragonmint altcoin miners.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3345156.0

Innosilicon equals Halong Mining.

Ref.,
in some car brands and models, including the VW Up that I have,
VW Up, Seat Mii, Skoda Citigo. Three different car brands,
but this is the exact same vehicle.

Different brand name, but the product is same.

[TracerX]

These miners have surprisingly exact same design and exact same technical specifications as the Dragonmint altcoin miners.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3345156.0

Innosilicon equals Halong Mining.

Ref.,
in some car brands and models, including the VW Up that I have,
VW Up, Seat Mii, Skoda Citigo. Three different car brands,
but this is the exact same vehicle.

Different brand name, but the product is same.

I was about to post the same; these newly released Blake miners have the exact same specs as the Halong counterparts.  Never mind the fact that they look the exactly the same, too.

At this point I wonder if Inno is going to spin off their crypto business.  They build other electronic devices as well, perhaps this is a move to "realign" both brands.

I shot them an email to pick their brain, we'll see if they respond!

[NotFuzzyWarm]

These miners have surprisingly exact same design and exact same technical specifications as the Dragonmint altcoin miners.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3345156.0

Innosilicon equals Halong Mining.

Ref.,
in some car brands and models, including the VW Up that I have,
VW Up, Seat Mii, Skoda Citigo. Three different car brands,
but this is the exact same vehicle.

Different brand name, but the product is same.

I was about to post the same; these newly released Blake miners have the exact same specs as the Halong counterparts.  Never mind the fact that they look the exactly the same, too.

At this point I wonder if Inno is going to spin off their crypto business.  They build other electronic devices as well, perhaps this is a move to "realign" both brands.

I shot them an email to pick their brain, we'll see if they respond!

That would not surprise me. Inno is mainly a custom IC design house and got into the crypto coin biz when Bitmine.ch hired them to design the A1 chip back in 2013. Despite the Bitmine.ch/AMT debacle they saw Gold in them thar chips which led to them doing the A2 script ASIC and others. Spinning off actual miner making to others like Halong makes sense to let them get back to their roots.

[BitcoinIntern]

Is anyone having issues with the T1's running way hotter than the S9's? Any input? Thanks.

They're designed to run at 70-75 degrees. What's yours running at?

For some reason mine are running in their mid 80's even with the inside temp of 12 C. All the S9's are running fine with temps but these are just hot hot already. I wonder what will happen in the summers. I haven't figured that out yet but I am concerned. Thanks.

[-ck]

For some reason mine are running in their mid 80's even with the inside temp of 12 C. All the S9's are running fine with temps but these are just hot hot already. I wonder what will happen in the summers. I haven't figured that out yet but I am concerned. Thanks.

Was this with the old firmware? I completely revamped the fan control. If the temps are above 75 degrees and the fan is showing 100% on the interface then you have a problem.

[BitcoinIntern]

Was this with the old firmware? I completely revamped the fan control. If the temps are above 75 degrees and the fan is showing 100% on the interface then you have a problem.

Yes, this is with the old firmware. I have not upgraded the firmware on all of them. But the T1's still run hotter than the S9 comparatively. Do you know what is the max temps of the chips that can go without failing?


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[-ck]

Yes, this is with the old firmware. I have not upgraded the firmware on all of them. But the T1's still run hotter than the S9 comparatively. Do you know what is the max temps of the chips that can go without failing?

No idea, but as I said they're meant to be run in the 75 degree range. There is no point comparing different designs when the fan control is trying to keep them warm.

[-ck]

Here's a new firmware for you to try hot off my press:

http://ck.kolivas.org/temp/t1_20180419_041500.swu

Should give a bit more hashrate in balanced (though more power draw) and may have ever so slightly better efficiency in efficient mode.

[QuestionQuest]

That would not surprise me. Inno is mainly a custom IC design house and got into the crypto coin biz when Bitmine.ch hired them to design the A1 chip back in 2013. Despite the Bitmine.ch/AMT debacle they saw Gold in them thar chips which led to them doing the A2 script ASIC and others. Spinning off actual miner making to others like Halong makes sense to let them get back to their roots.

Under the line why expect different designs like in the first days of ASICs?
We have the ATX standard for power supplies and chassis.
Its great if an industry is finding an almost standard design itself. (or because its just working fu...nny good!)
Or in other words: Find a hosting place for a T1, S9, L3+ etc. -- easy. Find a place for a E3, A6 or other -non-standard-asics- ... sorry, no GPU rigs and no special chassis like the ASIC of Bitmain for Ethereum has or the double litcoiner of Inno (A6).

All parts of Bitmain, Inno, Halong are not a secret. You can freely buy them on the chinese market (eg Alibaba) and build your own Asic with own controlling board and ... well ... no chips

Just the chip design and the quality of assembling everything to a ready ASIC is important.
Why write a new firmware if there is a free to use firmware on github or sourceforge for everyone?

Even Bitmain did not developed everything on their machines on its own.
Obelisk, Avalon - that are machines I think on that they differ from the standard chassis we know today.

If I would start the idea of an own mining machine operation I would start to find as many parts as possible which are already proofen perfect.
Then you can concentrate of what is important.

And that is what we, the customer at the end, needs.
Not a new design on the Asic or Firmware. We need the chip design and Halongs 10nm chips from Samsung are tasting nice, arent they?
Source: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/samsung-building-asic-chips-halong-mining/
But I am pretty sure Bitmain will follow the 10nm way soon and 7nm is knocking on the door for stable and affordable mass production


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