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November 26, 2017, 11:40:29 AM
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can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information
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November 26, 2017, 12:12:47 PM
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If I remember rightly, Trezor's derivation paths are m/44'/0, m/44'/0'/0 or m/44'/0'/0'/0 depending how it is configured for change handling.

Ledger nano I think is m/0'/0 or m/44'/0 but I'll check on that one.

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November 26, 2017, 03:30:44 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


noob here...how does one set up the ledger nano s for BTG?

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November 26, 2017, 04:56:21 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


noob here...how does one set up the ledger nano s for BTG?

Do you simply want to trade it or store it?

This guide explains pretty well how to claim / store it on your ledger, but it is not meant to import private keys, if you have your BTG in another wallet, you will need to transfer them.

See https://coinsutra.com/bitcoin-gold-ledger-wallet/


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November 26, 2017, 05:01:45 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


noob here...how does one set up the ledger nano s for BTG?

Do you simply want to trade it or store it?

This guide explains pretty well how to claim / store it on your ledger, but it is not meant to import private keys, if you have your BTG in another wallet, you will need to transfer them.

See https://coinsutra.com/bitcoin-gold-ledger-wallet/




thank you...i've been mining electroneum for a few days, but BTG seems to be more profitable with my hardware

i found a good tutorial and got the Nano S to have BTG

Question: Does the Ledger Wallet need to be open while mining?


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November 26, 2017, 05:05:07 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


noob here...how does one set up the ledger nano s for BTG?

Do you simply want to trade it or store it?

This guide explains pretty well how to claim / store it on your ledger, but it is not meant to import private keys, if you have your BTG in another wallet, you will need to transfer them.

See https://coinsutra.com/bitcoin-gold-ledger-wallet/




thank you...i've been mining electroneum for a few days, but BTG seems to be more profitable with my hardware

i found a good tutorial and got the Nano S to have BTG

Question: Does the Ledger Wallet need to be open while mining?



No, you can receive coins on said adress whenever you want, transactions are not dependent on whether or not you have your ledger open, but rather if the network / miners are working.

Your ledger nano S will simply sync when you reopen it again, and it will show you all your balance. (If there was/has been a new transaction).

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November 26, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


noob here...how does one set up the ledger nano s for BTG?

Do you simply want to trade it or store it?

This guide explains pretty well how to claim / store it on your ledger, but it is not meant to import private keys, if you have your BTG in another wallet, you will need to transfer them.

See https://coinsutra.com/bitcoin-gold-ledger-wallet/




thank you...i've been mining electroneum for a few days, but BTG seems to be more profitable with my hardware

i found a good tutorial and got the Nano S to have BTG

Question: Does the Ledger Wallet need to be open while mining?



No, you can receive coins on said adress whenever you want, transactions are not dependent on whether or not you have your ledger open, but rather if the network / miners are working.

Your ledger nano S will simply sync when you reopen it again, and it will show you all your balance. (If there was/has been a new transaction).

excellent thank you!

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November 26, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


As far as I'm aware... they use the standard BIP44 derivation paths... refer: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki#path-levels
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We define the following 5 levels in BIP32 path:
m / purpose' / coin_type' / account' / change / address_index

Purpose' (for BIP44 hardware wallets) is generally always 44'... coin_type' is specific to each coin... refer: https://github.com/satoshilabs/slips/blob/master/slip-0044.md for all the "Registered" Coin types...
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145   0x80000091   Bitcoin Cash
.....
156   0x8000009c   Bitcoin Gold


So they should be m/44'/145'/0'/ and m/44'/156'/0' for Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Gold respectively (for the main account). Any extra "accounts" in your Ledger or Trezor wallet will use incrementing account' values like m/44'/145'/1', m/44'/145'/2' etc

Marginal Note: Ledger actually tell you what it is in the wallet, it is just a bit buried (and Trezor aka Satoshilabs are the ones maintaining the register of coin types! Wink):



You need to select the account from the initial "Overview" window, then click "account settings":

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November 27, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
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Hi,

can you please tell me what are the derivation paths for Bitcoin Cash and Gold in Trezor and Ledger Nano S? I don't seem to be able to google that info.

It is critical for me (before I move the founds) that I don't get dependant on any one vendor and in case of hardware failure I can recreate the wallet on the other device.

Marginal note is that it is very strange or maybe even suspicious  that the HW manufacturers don't openly publish that information


As far as I'm aware... they use the standard BIP44 derivation paths... refer: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki#path-levels
Quote
We define the following 5 levels in BIP32 path:
m / purpose' / coin_type' / account' / change / address_index

Purpose' (for BIP44 hardware wallets) is generally always 44'... coin_type' is specific to each coin... refer: https://github.com/satoshilabs/slips/blob/master/slip-0044.md for all the "Registered" Coin types...
Quote
145   0x80000091   Bitcoin Cash
.....
156   0x8000009c   Bitcoin Gold


So they should be m/44'/145'/0'/ and m/44'/156'/0' for Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Gold respectively (for the main account). Any extra "accounts" in your Ledger or Trezor wallet will use incrementing account' values like m/44'/145'/1', m/44'/145'/2' etc

Marginal Note: Ledger actually tell you what it is in the wallet, it is just a bit buried (and Trezor aka Satoshilabs are the ones maintaining the register of coin types! Wink):



You need to select the account from the initial "Overview" window, then click "account settings":



Wow thank you for the great and very comprehensive information
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