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June 30, 2011, 10:33:32 AM
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Ill leave the original post below intact for posterity but Mainframe is shutting its doors.   Dont worry we werent hacked and all BTC is safe and will be paid out on the same schedule as normal.
Please see this post for more detail:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24650.msg585867#msg585867

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Hi!

Mainframe is a mining pool founded with the goal of giving something back to the developers who help make bitcoin what it is and continue to improve it.

The Mainframe Mining Cooperative is an open registration charity mining pool which gives 50% of its earnings in user set donations to open source bitcoin developers and writers. (https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/bitcoindonationinformation.html)

!!! NEW !!!
The charity features are optional! If you want to help support developers, just set a donation percentage in your "Account Details" page. You control if you want to donate and how much you want to donate.

If you just want to mine with us and not worry about the whole charity thing, just leave your donation percentage set at zero to opt-out of the charity features of this pool.
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(If you are a bitcoin open source developer or writer, you can post your information on the bitcoin donation thread (https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18498) to request addition to the list of developers we donate to.)

We currently have an administration fee of 0.5% and utilize a PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) scoring system for a fair payout to our committed miners. This is no longer a "pool-hopper friendly" pool.

You can use the following URL to mine with us:
http://mining.mainframe.nl:8343

Website:
http://mining.mainframe.nl

Pool Features
  • SSL
  • Dedicated Redundant Servers in Private Data Center
  • Latest bitcoind (0.3.23) patched with multi-threading and native long polling support (low stales)
  • latest pushpoold (v5) with memcached and LP enabled
  • JSON API for worker information
  • Threshold and instant manual payout options
  • PPLNS Reward System
  • Long Polling
  • Simple and Clean interface
  • Server stats JSON API (available at http://mining.mainframe.nl/api )



NOTE:  If you are unable to post in this forum please check out this thread in the newbie section where you will be able to post
Newbie Thread here:  http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=24717.0

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July 05, 2011, 12:49:38 AM
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Kinda interested in your pool, what seems odd to me is. shows you mining and .13/day in bitcoins but thats not entirely true cause when you crack that block it will be 50btc. Since ur getting 100% of shares...

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July 05, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
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Ok had a look...actually its correct.  

This is just an estimate and is calculated in 2 steps.  First calculate the time per block:

Code:
        function CalculateTimePerBlock( $btc_difficulty, $_hashrate ){
                if( $btc_difficulty > 0 && $_hashrate > 0 ) {
                        $find_time_hours = ((($btc_difficulty * bcpow(2,32)) / ($_hashrate * bcpow(10,6))) / 3600);

So bascially is the standard 2**32 calculation to find average time to solve a block based on a given hashrate  (similar to what the online mining calculators do).

Second step is calculate the coins per day. 

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function CoinsPerDay( $time_per_block, $btc_block ){
                if( $time_per_block > 0 && $btc_block > 0 ) {
                        $coins_per_day = (24 / $time_per_block) * $btc_block;

Anyway as you can see its just an estimate and the real stats to look at are to the left in terms of income you will be expected to earn.
In my stats to the left it says i am estimated at 49.13488098 BTC for this round which actually just went down from 49.25 because you started mining Smiley
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July 06, 2011, 12:53:08 AM
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Uh I registered and tried to login but nothing happens when I click login - it just reloads the same page.

[edit] Solved!
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July 06, 2011, 01:04:28 AM
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Which browser?  Are you sure you typed your pass correctly?  Which user name did you sign up with ?
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July 06, 2011, 01:08:54 AM
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Which browser?  Are you sure you typed your pass correctly?  Which user name did you sign up with ?

Latest opera.
Yes, I'm sure. I even tried a bogus user/pw combo and still the same - just processes something for a second, then opens up the exact same page, like nothing happened.
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July 06, 2011, 01:15:50 AM
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Oh last thing i can think of is that you need to allow and enable cookies for this website.... its part of how we authenticate and log you in.   Is that maybe blocked?
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July 06, 2011, 01:17:25 AM
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Oh last thing i can think of is that you need to allow and enable cookies for this website.... its part of how we authenticate and log you in.   Is that maybe blocked?

Nope, I checked and I don't have any cookes.

Do you do any fancy redirects/flash calls? I have Opera set to not allow any cookies from any external domains, and plugins blocked.
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July 06, 2011, 01:35:37 AM
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Problem solved! Smiley
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July 07, 2011, 07:59:27 AM
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Registered Smiley Will start mining tomorrow Wink

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July 07, 2011, 08:32:16 AM
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wow cool i made into the first 25. Ill give you guys a shot, see if its more profitable this way.
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July 07, 2011, 10:55:52 AM
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Registered Smiley Will start mining tomorrow Wink

Look forward to it! Smiley
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July 07, 2011, 10:59:02 AM
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wow cool i made into the first 25. Ill give you guys a shot, see if its more profitable this way.

Gonna take awhile to hit our first block at just under 1GH/s but when we do,  the payout will be much larger for you and you are also a 0% fee user so thats another big plus for you!  

Cheers to you early adopters! Smiley

P.S. There are still 12 early adopter 0% fee slots left!
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July 07, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
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And we are finally moving!   Nice job guys!  approaching 2 GH Cheesy

still 10 early adopter slots left!
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July 07, 2011, 08:10:44 PM
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Signed up.
Lets find some blocks!

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July 07, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
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Signed up.
Lets find some blocks!

Cool!   Welcome!

5 slots left!
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July 07, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
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Signed also up.
So lets get that first block.  Smiley
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July 07, 2011, 11:16:56 PM
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Signed also up.
So lets get that first block.  Smiley

Thanks klaaster!  Welcome!

3 more 0% fee slots left....
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1 slot left....     Shocked  Shocked

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July 08, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
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Hi All,

We have 9 of the 10 new no-fee slots still open.   Here is your chance to get in on the ground floor of a quickly growing new pool and have lifetime free pooled mining.   

Also FYI,  until we hit our first block,  payout is set to Proportional to help share the wealth with everyone who came on board after me.   I already had so many shares in this round (from mining on my own) that cheat proof scoring results were awarding my miner too much of the first block payout which i dont think is fair so ive switched to Proportional until we start on the next round.   The stats are also set to proportional since the beginning so i think its only fair to payout what the stats have been estimating all along (or at least very near to that).

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July 08, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
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Just signed up and directed some miners to your pool.
Only been mining for about 10 minutes and already I'm on the 8th place in the top 10 hashrates.  Cheesy

We'll see how long that remains...  Roll Eyes
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Just signed up and directed some miners to your pool.
Only been mining for about 10 minutes and already I'm on the 8th place in the top 10 hashrates.  Cheesy

We'll see how long that remains...  Roll Eyes

Welcome!  Thats part of the fun of a startup pool! Smiley  Let me know if you need anything!
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July 08, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
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Great idea to have 1% donated to bitcoin devs. I decided to take 0% lifetime offer (just in case when I am old and frail I need to use pool  Grin).

Jokes aside, just wanted to do some tests.

Anyway, given that some pools approaching 50%, we need more pools. Good luck to you with this.


Thanks alot for the kind words, Vladimir!  Im honored to have you join our little pool even if its only for some tests!  Of course you instantly jump to the number 1 slot with all that monster hashing power you have at your disposal Smiley  lol! Smiley  Ill have to make a screen shot of this for posterity.  you are already over 2GH/s!
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July 08, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
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Looking good....

Why the frell so many retards spell "ect" as an abbreviation of "Et Cetera"? "ETC", DAMMIT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera

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Glad to help. I need to sort a few lil problems first.. than I might just for fun throw in 100 Ghps to solve the first block.

Wow!  that would rock! Smiley  Let me know if i can help you troubleshoot anything from this end.

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Note to yourself: consider offering new pools "catch 22 elimination" service  Grin

That's actually a pretty damn good idea Smiley  We can beta test the service on our pool? hehe Smiley
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That's actually a pretty damn good idea Smiley  We can beta test the service on our pool? hehe Smiley


OK let's get this lil pool started... I'll add some more horsepower for a while.

Disclaimer: this is not all my capacity, just a few boxes/racks will get switched.



Excellent!  Huge smile on my face over here Smiley
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July 08, 2011, 01:54:55 PM
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Tons of thanks to Vlad for all the horsepower he is throwing at us right now Smiley
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July 08, 2011, 02:11:19 PM
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Impressive, you've got the power Jedi.  Smiley
Get on board miners, with Vladimirs help the first block can't hide much more longer.

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July 08, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
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Registered - plan to switch over during the weekend!

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July 08, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
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Yep guys join in. I'll throw much more horsepower into it.

Vlad,

I just think i solved our issue we were chatting about.  But its seems your miners have gone offline?  Either i solved it or i made it alot worse.   Please let me know!
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opps... one of those got tripped, miner's life is full of danger...


haha!   I love it! Smiley
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July 08, 2011, 03:13:51 PM
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Ok The early adopter special for first 35 users has been reached!   Thanks to all of you who have come on board!   We are gonna make this thing a success and couldnt have been done without you guys!  

If you didnt make it into the first round of Early Adopter no-fee accounts,  stay tuned!  I have a similar special in the works and will be announced later today or tomorrow! Smiley  
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July 08, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
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Added server stats API here:

http://mining.mainframe.nl/api

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July 08, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
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DOne some more tweaking and gotten rid of unknown-work invalid shares from high hashpower users.   Also reduced stales significantly.   Im estimating an average stale rate of 1.5% or lower for most users.   Give us a try!
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July 09, 2011, 12:46:59 AM
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Good going Vladimir on adding all that power.

We should have our first block soon.

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Good going Vladimir on adding all that power.

We should have our first block soon.

Marvelous isnt it!  Smiley
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opps... one of those got tripped, miner's life is full of danger...


I like how the ~30A power cables float gracefully from wall to whereever Smiley

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whereever looks like this Wink

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July 10, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
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If anyone is having issues let me know...  Everything still looks good from my end... that first block MUST be just around the corner...
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July 12, 2011, 09:10:08 AM
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sorry but I can stay only for so long...

awwww.... too bad :/ 

Thanks for the 3 million shares you could spare tho! Smiley
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Reposting in case anybody is wondering:

It is difficult these days to start a new pool. There is no reason to join a new pool if it does not at least solves a block or two per day even if otherwise the terms offered are more than reasonable.

I have about 50 Ghps hashing capacity which I can deploy to any pool. Should you wish to get some kickstart for your new pool I can help you.

The price is very modest...

Then again small pools are the key to keeping Bitcoin safe! Switching is not hard, you just need to have a little more patience for the BTCs to start rolling in.

Going to keep my 1.6GHps pointed at this pool! Let's get some more users here!

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July 12, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
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Please do not be upset. Please understand I am operating a business and as such manage risks. There are risks which I am not prepared to take for long.



I understand Smiley  Im not upset... was surprised to see you point so much  power at us for that long.... im quite surprised actually that we didnt solve a block.  You point 50GH at us for the whole weekend....odd!
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July 12, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
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I can't believe that the pool isn't attracting more people.    I think that it's a great idea to give a little to the developers and even with the donations, the overall fees are lower than most big pools. Props to AnnihilaT for comming up with the idea and for making it work.

Also, the pool is working great so far besides the fact that we are still are looking for the first block.     My stales count is low and I never get refused connections.

@Vladimir - We can not be mad at you. You contributed more to the pool in one weekend than the rest of us can do in a month.  Thanks for trying to kickstart this.

@AnnihilaT - Maybe you should add to the thread topic that a small percentage of the mined coins are going to the developers.  It might attract more people.

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It just seems to be an unlucky break that a block hasn't been found yet, but the prob is ppl feel like their has power is being wasted if they don't get payed after a certain amount of time. I think i'm going to turn back over a little more power for a while and see if the block can be found.

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@AnnihilaT - Maybe you should add to the thread topic that a small percentage of the mined coins are going to the developers.  It might attract more people.


Did this in the beginning without much interest.  But im willing to try again.  Main thread topic has been edited.

BTW, full disclosure:  the idea wasnt mine.   There is credit in the original post for the guy who came up with the idea and i had a pool just about to come online when he posted his idea.  We thought it was a good cause and agreed to set our pool up this way.   Doesnt seem to be alot of interest tho on a wide scale for donating back to the bitcoin developers or else it just needs some more time for the news to get out Smiley   

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And SuperVlad is back!  Cool  Cool  At least for the moment Smiley
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July 13, 2011, 02:30:25 AM
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Can you please consider changing the autopayout to 0.1 minimum.

Also, how do i know if im on 0% fees?

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July 13, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
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Can you please consider changing the autopayout to 0.1 minimum.

Also, how do i know if im on 0% fees?

A related question would be - how does the "auto" payout mode work? Pay per every block found?

Also I second the request to have the fixed donation % visible somewhere in the profile.

Let's put a mention of the pool in the user signatures! I just did, we should spread the word around!

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Can you please consider changing the autopayout to 0.1 minimum.

Also, how do i know if im on 0% fees?

Hi Kripz,

Considered and done.  Threshold settings down to 0.10 BTC are now supported.  1 BTC minimum indeed didnt make alot of sense.

Your account is 0% fee Early adopter type.   Its a good idea to give an indication of this so i will code that in a bit later today as well.
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A related question would be - how does the "auto" payout mode work? Pay per every block found?

Also I second the request to have the fixed donation % visible somewhere in the profile.

Let's put a mention of the pool in the user signatures! I just did, we should spread the word around!

This is a good question.   More or less,  yes, it happens for every found block.  To be more accurate it is triggered for every found block with 120 confirms.  Ill explain in more detail.

A discovered block will need 120 network confirms before its paid out to your site wallet/balance.   Every few minutes the site software is checking for new blocks found and updating the number of confirmations on our own found blocks.   When the number of confirms on our own found blocks becomes greater than 119,  this triggers a full count of every shares contributed to that block, calculates the payout per user, and updates their wallet balance with the confirmed reward.   Immediately thereafter,  we check to see if any user has a balance of greater than 0.10 BTC in their wallet and if so check to see if the threshold amount is lower than the amount in their wallet.  If so,  we send them their balance otherwise the balance remains in their site wallet which can be manually cashed out at any time.  

Keep in mind that even amounts lower than 0.10 BTC can always be withdrawn with the Manual Payout / Instant method.  Its only that automatic payment can only be triggered from 0.10 BTC or higher.  If you have lower balance than that you just need to log in and manually pay yourself out from your balance.

Fixed donation percent is a good idea and will be added in soon!  Thanks for the suggestions!
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July 13, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
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Each account now shows when you are logged in at the left under your username what your account type is and what your pool and donate fee percentages are set to.

Cheers,
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Hi,

Another idea for the site: allow to remember the password via a cookie at login (or some ohter method you may prefer). I hate it that i have to retype my user/pass each time i visit the site.
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Hi,

Another idea for the site: allow to remember the password via a cookie at login (or some ohter method you may prefer). I hate it that i have to retype my user/pass each time i visit the site.
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Why dont you let your browser remember it ?   

Also, If you arent clicking logout and you are allowing cookies from this domain it should keep you logged in for 1 week at least unless your ip is changing   
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July 14, 2011, 07:08:29 AM
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Having trouble with my ISP, so miners down atm :-(

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July 14, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
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Having trouble with my ISP, so miners down atm :-(

Saw you got it fixed.   We are having problems with a incredibly long round at the moment... wish we could do something about that Sad
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Welcome back Vladimir

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Just spilled some hashes to you as a backup... while primary RPC target went down on me.

But guys, do stay put, better time are coming to this pool, I am sure. Just have a bit of patience.



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Hm, sounds interesting.

Which scoring method exactly is being used? The exponential one by Meni Rosenfeld? A custom one?

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Hm, sounds interesting.

Which scoring method exactly is being used? The exponential one by Meni Rosenfeld? A custom one?


Hi,

At the moment basic proportional is being used but after the first round or two we'll be switching to the cheat proof scoring method already well documented in these forums.
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Hey AnnihilaT,

How about fixing HTTPS to your site? ;-)

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Hey AnnihilaT,

How about fixing HTTPS to your site? ;-)

Yes we will get around to that soon.  Need to arrange a cert and get it installed and until then no sense in having a self signed cert in place or people will just complain about that as well Smiley
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Hey AnnihilaT,

How about fixing HTTPS to your site? ;-)

Yes we will get around to that soon.  Need to arrange a cert and get it installed and until then no sense in having a self signed cert in place or people will just complain about that as well Smiley

Ok, thanks for the quick reply ;-)

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Hey AnnihilaT,

How about fixing HTTPS to your site? ;-)

Yes we will get around to that soon.  Need to arrange a cert and get it installed and until then no sense in having a self signed cert in place or people will just complain about that as well Smiley

Ok, thanks for the quick reply ;-)

And how about a fast reaction as well to your request? Ask and you shall receive... Cheesy Cheesy 

SSL is up and working.   Everything should be available on https: as it was (and still is) on http:

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Are you guys interested in idle alerts via email if your workers go idle and we sense that from our end?

Let me know.... next feature i was thinking to add in if there is demand for it.
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Are you guys interested in idle alerts via email if your workers go idle and we sense that from our end?

Let me know.... next feature i was thinking to add in if there is demand for it.

If the option is there, I'd use it. But it's not a must have feature for me ;-)

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seems like a great idea. i don't have much power, but I'll point one of my cards at you Cheesy

tempted to overclock for a few hours to get my special prize, j/k

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pointed everything i've got for the lulz... hope to be in that number 3 spot shortly Wink
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Hi.. I could point about 15 g hash ur way because I like ur idea.. is there an api code avaliable for miner stats or bit wid app for android? Will I get liefetime zero percent? What are the best settings for so I don't get miner idle messages? Tia

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seems like a great idea. i don't have much power, but I'll point one of my cards at you Cheesy

tempted to overclock for a few hours to get my special prize, j/k

edit:

pointed everything i've got for the lulz... hope to be in that number 3 spot shortly Wink

You sure?   Which user name are you?  havent seen you pop up yet in the stats Smiley
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Hi.. I could point about 15 g hash ur way because I like ur idea.. is there an api code avaliable for miner stats or bit wid app for android? Will I get liefetime zero percent? What are the best settings for so I don't get miner idle messages? Tia

Hi,

15 GH would be very much appreciated and id be happy to throw you a early adopter account for that.   Which miner do you use?   We can work together on it if you are worried about anything.   Ill keep an eye and send me a PM if you see any problems when you start mining.   Also let me know your user name on the pool so i can toggle your account. 

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seems like a great idea. i don't have much power, but I'll point one of my cards at you Cheesy

tempted to overclock for a few hours to get my special prize, j/k

edit:

pointed everything i've got for the lulz... hope to be in that number 3 spot shortly Wink

You sure?   Which user name are you?  havent seen you pop up yet in the stats Smiley

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seems like a great idea. i don't have much power, but I'll point one of my cards at you Cheesy

tempted to overclock for a few hours to get my special prize, j/k

edit:

pointed everything i've got for the lulz... hope to be in that number 3 spot shortly Wink

You sure?   Which user name are you?  havent seen you pop up yet in the stats Smiley

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oh yeah thats you!  sorry! Wink
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Hi.. I could point about 15 g hash ur way because I like ur idea.. is there an api code avaliable for miner stats

Sorry forgot to answer this.  Yes there are apis for both server stats and miner stats.  After you create an account you will find the miner api link with your api_key in your account details section.
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I am going to give your pool a shot.  I like what you're doing.

I have one of my rigs going at more than 1 GH/s, and if everything goes well, I'll point another rig at your pool.

My User ID is 104.

Thanks!
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I am going to give your pool a shot.  I like what you're doing.

I have one of my rigs going at more than 1 GH/s, and if everything goes well, I'll point another rig at your pool.

My User ID is 104.

Thanks!

Welcome!   (toggled to early adopter status) Cheesy
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Are you guys interested in idle alerts via email if your workers go idle and we sense that from our end?

Let me know.... next feature i was thinking to add in if there is demand for it.

I am interested in this.
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AnnihilaT,

Sort of a feature request ;-) Can you show under "Workers" the last time that a worker connected to the pool?

Thanks!

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Sort of a feature request ;-) Can you show under "Workers" the last time that a worker connected to the pool?

+1

(either you did a great job adding the workers page, or I'm dumb and never noticed it before - but it's certainly useful)
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Hello Vladimir,

It's in "account details", perhaps it deserves a separate page, though.

You mean "Last updated" on the left side?

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First block found!!

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Seems like the contribution stats didn't reset for the new round.
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It's in "account details", perhaps it deserves a separate page, though.

Maybe it only appeared the moment I pointed more than one worker at it, but I just never noticed it before - as mentioned, maybe I never scrolled down enough.  Cry
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Great  Smiley , now the ball gets rolling.
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woot! we did it guys... one thing about round stats... we handle rounds a tiny bit different than u might be used to... basically we define a round as the period of time between payouts so you won't see round stats change till we hit 120 confirms on this first block.   each 120 confirms a payout is done and the round officially ends...   hope that clears up any confusion... on my list todo I want to make a FAQ page that explains these types of things so that newcomers understand what our stats mean Smiley

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basically we define a round as the period of time between payouts so you won't see round stats change till we hit 120 confirms on this first block.

What happens if another block is found before the first one has 120 confirms? How are the payout shares calculated then?

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basically we define a round as the period of time between payouts so you won't see round stats change till we hit 120 confirms on this first block.   each 120 confirms a payout is done and the round officially ends...  

that is horribly useful for pool hopping. I could have had my miners pointing at another pool generating small regular amounts of bitcoins then as soon as you receive your 1st block I jump on MMC to grab some shares for the 17 hours or so it takes to accept 120 confirmations on a block - reducing the work that has been done by the people in from the start?  Undecided

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Hi guys,

Sorry this is my fault for not explaining well enough.... i was at the eye doctor replying on my phone so i didnt maybe explain it as well as i should have.   

When i say that we define a round as periods between payouts i meant this ONLY for the purpose of generating statistics.  CERTAINLY NOT for calculating payouts.   

If it took 100,000 shares to find block one then the round shares counter will keep going until 120 confirms are reach for that first block and a payout is done. 

Right before payout on block 1 the counter might say 350,000 round shares (block 1 plus shares towards block 2). but calculations are done only on that 100,000 shares alone and only those who contributed to that 100,000 shares are paid out of that block.

After block 1 is paid out, the 100,000 shares which contributed to finding that block will removed from the current round leaving that 150,000 shares towards block 2.   So you will see the round shares not reset to 0 after we have the first block confirmed -rather you will see them drastically reduce (its gonna be something like $current_number - the 5.8 million it took to get us to that first block). 

One other thing to note which i know will cause confusion.   Your round estimate at the moment is taking into consideration the entire amount of round shares so you can expect that it too will change when the first block is confirmed.   

I understand it might be a bit confusing and we have plans to work on this to make it better as we get the time.   I also think that the biggest oddities and confusion will only be apparent until we have the first confirmed block.  After that it should make more sense how the stats are done.   

Open to any discussion or ideas about this and appreciate the feedback! Smiley

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When i say that we define a round as periods between payouts i meant this ONLY for the purpose of generating statistics.  CERTAINLY NOT for calculating payouts.   

Clarified perfectly for me. Thanks.
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basically we define a round as the period of time between payouts so you won't see round stats change till we hit 120 confirms on this first block.

What happens if another block is found before the first one has 120 confirms? How are the payout shares calculated then?

in case the last post didnt answer this one directly,   we know and track which shares belong to which block and payout them out accordingly.   Its just our statistics that follow a somewhat non tradtional approach.  The data is all there in the databases appropriately its just how you choose to interpret and display this data which can be left up to preference.
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Hit the second block already!  Can we do three in a day ?
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Hit the second block already!  Can we do three in a day ?

"Ask and ye shall receive."

Talk about good luck!
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Slowly transfer my GPU power to this pool.  Roll Eyes
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Hit the second block already!  Can we do three in a day ?
Yes he can!
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All,

For the coming "first" payout for the first confirmed block,  I will be in bed (4am my time)... im trusting the tests i have done and am going to let everything run automagically as coded but if anything goes seriously wrong i will be around 4-5 hours later to fix things when i wake up.  backups of data are secure and everything can be restored if something goes wrong.  

It's not my intention to worry anyone but just to reassure that since its a new pool there could be issues and if there are any we have disaster recovery plans in place to cope with any situation.  If there are problems,  we will fix them and make it right.  

Lets keep our fingers crossed! Cheesy

Nite all!

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Slowly transfer my GPU power to this pool.  Roll Eyes

WElcome Smiley
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All,

For the coming "first" payout for the first confirmed block,  I will be in bed (4am my time)... im trusting the tests i have done and am going to let everything run automagically as coded but if anything goes seriously wrong i will be around 4-5 hours later to fix things when i wake up.  backups of data are secure and everything can be restored if something goes wrong. 

It's not my intention to worry anyone but just to reassure that since its a new pool there could be issues and if there are any we have disaster recovery plans in place to cope with any situation.  If there are problems,  we will fix them and make it right. 

Lets keep our fingers crossed! Cheesy

Nite all!



The 1st block reached 120 confirmations, but I'm still seeing a 0 BTC account balance.  Did anyone receive any BTC from the first block?

Also, I'm pretty sure the total pool shares didn't go down by ~5.8 million from the first block.

I'll just hang tight until Annihala wakes up.  Smiley

EDIT:  About 35 minutes after I posted this, some BTC showed up in my account balance, but the total pool shares still don't seem to be reduced by the first block's shares.
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Where can i check ny number of share submitted and total shares per block?

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Hi guys,

I've added Mainframe MC to www.btc-poolwatch.com

If you mine at multiple pools, this should be useful to you.

The main page auto-refreshes every 5 minutes.

If you point your iphone/android phones to it, it will be formatted to 320px width so everything displays nicely.

Hope you guys like it.

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Guys,

there were issues.... Sad  im on it.
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Guys,

there were issues.... Sad  im on it.

I can't connect. I'm going to bed now, but I'll point my rigs at you in the morning if everything is back up.
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And guys, I have pointed the luckiest GPU I had to the pool now.

Nice one!  Grin
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I do believe that this pool has potential, which is why I stuck with it through the first very unlucky week. And then wham - 3 blocks in a single day.

I will create a couple of banners for the frontend and forum sigs. I'm no PHP developer, but I'll have a look at the code anyway and see if I can contribute any ideas on how to improve.

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Some more stats would be really nice. I think of sharecount for the last blocks and the individual shares submitted/rejected by the workers.
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All,

Thanks for bearing with us.  As you should be able to see things should be back to normal and blocks 1 & 2 have been confirmed and paid for.  

The issue we ran into was a silly one that was a combination of factors but the main one being that i had tweaked our DB server for higher load but had forgotten to restart the daemon so it would parse the new configurations settings for them to take effect.  

When we hit the first payout,  our DB server basically took a shit trying to parse that huge first round and do calculations because the server itself was misconfigured (actually default configured and without my tweaks).  I brought everything down for a bit to preserve integrity of the data and then solved the issue and brought everything back slowly piece by piece.  

There was no data loss but we stopped accepting shares for about 30-45 mins which might have kicked some of your miners to backup pools.  

At any rate,  thats one mistake that should not happen again and the next confirm round for block 2 went as planned.  

One last thing i had to do when restoring everything back to how it should have been and testing to make sure it was ok was to set everyones auto payout thresholds to 0 so that nothing nasty would trigger while i was running tests.  

You will have to log in and reset these to the payout triggers you had before and you can either do a manual payout or you can also just change the threshold back and wait 5 minutes or so until the next stats run and then you should see your payment go out automatically.  


Thanks for bearing with us... As Vladimir says.... growing pains Smiley  We plan on slowly bring more stats and more data into the website as we get time.  We want to be transparent but since this is not our full time jobs (yet?) it will take a bit of time to bring in new features.   Betters stats and explanation of them is a high priority for us as well tho.  

Cheers,
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Thanks for the hard work.

The very first thing I did when I woke up was take my workers off my backup pool and put them back on MMC.
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I do believe that this pool has potential, which is why I stuck with it through the first very unlucky week. And then wham - 3 blocks in a single day.

I will create a couple of banners for the frontend and forum sigs. I'm no PHP developer, but I'll have a look at the code anyway and see if I can contribute any ideas on how to improve.

Very cool of you!   Im curious!   Thanks for helping out and always open to any help we can get.  much appreciated.
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And a 4th one for Vladimir!  Grin

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AnnihilaT, since you are looking for suggestions.   I think it would be nice if the pool had a payout history page.   Maybe you could also add a public payout page showing the donations history.   I have no doubt about your integrity but I think it would be a nice way to advertise and gain trust from miners.

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Where can i check ny number of share submitted and total shares per block?

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This was a story of block 136951

Are you sure it wasn't block 136920?   That block is shown as found on both Slush's pool and MMC and I don't understand why.

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2 more blocks. Nicely done.


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AnnihilaT, since you are looking for suggestions.   I think it would be nice if the pool had a payout history page.   Maybe you could also add a public payout page showing the donations history.   I have no doubt about your integrity but I think it would be a nice way to advertise and gain trust from miners.

Yeah for the donations.. We have plans to do that for sure and im testing the code on a test platform right now.  Maybe this weekend. 

RE: payout history - what are you looking for here?  you mean personal payout history per user?  Im not sure people want their payouit information publicly available?  Huh
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RE: payout history - what are you looking for here?  you mean personal payout history per user?  Im not sure people want their payouit information publicly available?  Huh

I'd like to see my payout history under my account details, purely for my eyes only.

The amount donated to date should probably be emblazoned across the top, next to the pool rate/workers etc. as this is important information.  Grin
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RE: payout history - what are you looking for here?  you mean personal payout history per user?  Im not sure people want their payouit information publicly available?  Huh

Yes I meant a private page detailing the user payout information.    I figured you could use a similar layout for the donations except that this one would be public.   

Alternatively, the system could just send an email when a payout occurs.  The results would be the same.

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hi guys!

First 0.50 BTC donation paid out!  You can see it here:

http://blockexplorer.com/tx/b179b5523f444ba08ff62b18d58cb919a59f4a5a7b89175b4b641650f41b919e

I had to cover this one mostly out of my own pocket since we are on 0% fees for most of our active miners but full disclosure, we should have a bounty incoming for this to help reimburse me and cover some of the upcoming blocks till donations and new miners can help cover it.   I will shortly have a page up and available documenting where your donations end up and who they are sent to.

(More full disclosure:   Im one of the 19 developers on the list so i made 0.026 BTC of that money back!)
hehe.. Cheesy Cheesy 

In other news, Ive brought some of the stats back that were gone for awhile and changed how they work a bit.  It should be pretty clear how it works if you look closely at your stats bar on the left.

More will be coming as i get the time.... lots of irons in the fire right now and again thanks to all of you making this a possibility.   Mainframe rocks! Cheesy
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Connected to this pool this morning before I read all the info about it. Wanted to see the stability over 12 hours first, so I used 1/2 a 5870. I'll switch fully over now, it may not be completely free but I like the concept!

Have I missed something casually perusing these forums? Why must it be 120 blocks? That's a relatively long time.

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I had to cover this one mostly out of my own pocket since we are on 0% fees for most of our active miners but full disclosure, we should have a bounty incoming for this to help reimburse me and cover some of the upcoming blocks till donations and new miners can help cover it.   I will shortly have a page up and available documenting where your donations end up and who they are sent to.

I was under the impression that the early adopters were not paying the pool 0.5% administration fees but that we were still giving 1% to charity.   Are you saying it's not the case? If so, I will gladly add 1% to the additional donations.

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Added DTD (donations to date) stat at the top as suggested (good idea, btw!) Smiley  Click on it for more info!

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No thats not the case.  0% fees is 0% fees.   There really is and was no catch to that.  We arent making anything right now (in fact we are at a loss if you dont count the bounty) Smiley

the idea was that the early adopters would help bootstrap the pool and that the latecomers would be the ones that the opensource devs and writers could benefit from.   We are currently trying to come up with a better approach that will make everyone much happier.   We will of course keep you up to date. 
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Connected to this pool this morning before I read all the info about it. Wanted to see the stability over 12 hours first, so I used 1/2 a 5870. I'll switch fully over now, it may not be completely free but I like the concept!

Have I missed something casually perusing these forums? Why must it be 120 blocks? That's a relatively long time.

Welcome! Smiley

Simply because we are a new pool and dont have the reserves to front the 50 BTC ourselves yet.  Until 120 confirms there can always be a risk that the block we found can be orphaned and we receive no money for it.  At the moment, making no profit, we havent yet decided to take that risk.   We arent the only ones who work this way, btw.  Most other pools are similar.  
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1) Bring 1 GH/s or more to the pool and post here in this thread that you have signed up and are mining at ~1GH/s and i will toggle your account to 0 fees

Posting to note that I've brought 1gh/s on board, my username is the same on MF: Xurious. I'm barely hitting the 1gh/s at the moment, this damnable 95f weather is killing my rigs.

Simply because we are a new pool and dont have the reserves to front the 50 BTC ourselves yet.  Until 120 confirms there can always be a risk that the block we found can be orphaned and we receive no money for it.  At the moment, making no profit, we havent yet decided to take that risk.   We arent the only ones who work this way, btw.  Most other pools are similar. 

Indeed, most are not. I've just been used to working with BTCguild (Currently the backup). I hope MF is DDoS resilient, as that is one of the big reasons I had to find a new pool. Lost far too many shares in that debacle.

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Added DTD (donations to date) stat at the top as suggested (good idea, btw!) Smiley  Click on it for more info!

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No thats not the case.  0% fees is 0% fees.   There really is and was no catch to that.  We arent making anything right now (in fact we are at a loss if you dont count the bounty) Smiley

the idea was that the early adopters would help bootstrap the pool and that the latecomers would be the ones that the opensource devs and writers could benefit from.   We are currently trying to come up with a better approach that will make everyone much happier.   We will of course keep you up to date. 

I never thought there was any catch.   There was a clear distinction in my mind between the pool fees and the donations.   

It's hard to tell when looking at:

Early-Adopter: 0% Pool Fees
You are donating 0% extra fees


I guess the word "extra" made me think there was a base donation.  Maybe the second line should display the total % being donated instead of just the the additional donation %.  It might already be like that, it's hard to tell because I am an early adopter.     I would also remove the term fees from the second line.  I understand that technically it's all fees in the pool code but semantically it's not the same thing.

Maybe I am also just making this overly complicated, english is not my primary language.   IMHO the second line should just state "You are donating X%" or "You are donating X% of your mined bitcoins"

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Posting to note that I've brought 1gh/s on board, my username is the same on MF: Xurious. I'm barely hitting the 1gh/s at the moment, this damnable 95f weather is killing my rigs.


Hmmm....strange i havent seen you over 750 or so yet... can you post a screenshot or something showing me this?
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Where can i check ny number of share submitted and total shares per block?

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I guess the word "extra" made me think there was a base donation.  Maybe the second line should display the total % being donated instead of just the the additional donation %.  It might already be like that, it's hard to tell because I am an early adopter.     I would also remove the term fees from the second line.  I understand that technically it's all fees in the pool code but semantically it's not the same thing.

Maybe I am also just making this overly complicated, english is not my primary language.   IMHO the second line should just state "You are donating X%" or "You are donating X% of your mined bitcoins"

All excellent points!  You are right about that donating of your fees string.  Doesnt make much sense now that i think of it.  Have a look at it now... should be clearer i hope.  

The other comments i will wait to reply on because what i say now will be invalid by the weekend.  We are re-doing how this is done now and i think everyone will like the new way better.
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Where can i check ny number of share submitted and total shares per block?

total submitted is to your left.  Add past and current round and you have your total.

block stats are coming.... we are young... please bear with us.  Stats are the icing on the cake and better icing is being worked on.
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I guess the word "extra" made me think there was a base donation.  Maybe the second line should display the total % being donated instead of just the the additional donation %.  It might already be like that, it's hard to tell because I am an early adopter.     I would also remove the term fees from the second line.  I understand that technically it's all fees in the pool code but semantically it's not the same thing.

Maybe I am also just making this overly complicated, english is not my primary language.   IMHO the second line should just state "You are donating X%" or "You are donating X% of your mined bitcoins"

All excellent points!  You are right about that donating of your fees string.  Doesnt make much sense now that i think of it.  Have a look at it now... should be clearer i hope.  

The other comments i will wait to reply on because what i say now will be invalid by the weekend.  We are re-doing how this is done now and i think everyone will like the new way better.

It's indeed much clearer now.  Thank you  Grin

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Posting to note that I've brought 1gh/s on board, my username is the same on MF: Xurious. I'm barely hitting the 1gh/s at the moment, this damnable 95f weather is killing my rigs.
Hmmm....strange i havent seen you over 750 or so yet... can you post a screenshot or something showing me this?

I would say I'm sorry, but I can't apologize for the transformer outside my house blowing TWICE in the last 24 hours. They finally put a new fancy one up! (It's made me a very unhappy person. Power went down about 10 minutes after I joined MF with full power.)

Hashrate is back over 1gh/s with room to spare!

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We're over 80 GH/s...nice.

I woke up to the sound of the fan on one of my 5970s grinding to a halt this morning.  It was not a pleasant way to wake up.  I hurriedly stumbled over to the computer, half asleep and half alarmed, to shut it down. 

I bet it will take 2 weeks before I get it back from RMA'ing it.  Dang!
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Posting to note that I've brought 1gh/s on board, my username is the same on MF: Xurious. I'm barely hitting the 1gh/s at the moment, this damnable 95f weather is killing my rigs.
Hmmm....strange i havent seen you over 750 or so yet... can you post a screenshot or something showing me this?

I would say I'm sorry, but I can't apologize for the transformer outside my house blowing TWICE in the last 24 hours. They finally put a new fancy one up! (It's made me a very unhappy person. Power went down about 10 minutes after I joined MF with full power.)

Hashrate is back over 1gh/s with room to spare!

Indeed.... very easily breaking 1GH now Smiley  Your account has been toggled to early adopter


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I woke up to the sound of the fan on one of my 5970s grinding to a halt this morning.  It was not a pleasant way to wake up.  I hurriedly stumbled over to the computer, half asleep and half alarmed, to shut it down.  

Awww too bad! Lucky you heard it and didnt burn the house down! D


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AnnihilaT,

I don't know how much work this is, but is it possible to get more detailed statistics regarding Hashrate?
For instance MH average per day, week?

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AnnihilaT,

I don't know how much work this is, but is it possible to get more detailed statistics regarding Hashrate?
For instance MH average per day, week?

Yeah probably but i need to sort some other things first which have a little higher priority.  I put your request on my to-do list tho Smiley
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Is there any way to discourage/punish people who leave while we have long rounds? I mean, all of us know that by switching pool, we could be getting more for our time, but it makes the round so much longer.

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After watching the phoenix log for some time, I wonder why no new work gets pushed after a block was found by the network.
GPU_0 and GPU_1 are mining on 2 different pools for this test and both get the "new work pushed".

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[23/07/2011 21:18:24] Result: 0b0e8a39 accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:01] LP: New work pushed
[23/07/2011 21:19:03] Result: b3f9aa74 accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:22] Result: 39f71fdf accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:24] LP: New work pushed
[23/07/2011 21:19:29] Result: ff28bb4b accepted
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GPU_1
[23/07/2011 21:19:21] Result: 37f1fd93 accepted  
[23/07/2011 21:19:25] LP: New work pushed        
[23/07/2011 21:19:45] Result: 9738fe3f accepted  
[23/07/2011 21:19:45] Result: d1d0b90b accepted  
[23/07/2011 21:19:52] LP: New work pushed      
[23/07/2011 21:19:54] Result: d0dcb009 accepted  
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[23/07/2011 21:18:45] Result: 0397700c accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:00] Result: 591655d8 accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:02] Result: 190439f4 accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:23] Result: f2c8d7d8 accepted
[23/07/2011 21:19:42] Result: e832113b accepted
[23/07/2011 21:20:05] Result: 0dff1d00 accepted
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Klaaster,

I think i read that had something to do with phoenix.... maybe i can run a test in a bit if you are around to test with me.   The miners i have tested (not phoenix) do in fact get new work pushed when the network finds a block but it might be something phoenix specific.   PM me if you are around to test a bit with me.
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I had this "no new work pushed problem" above with phoenix miner r101 under ubuntu.
AnnihilaT changed something on server side and I restarted phonix miner. It now works well.

Thanks Anni. Smiley
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I had this "no new work pushed problem" above with phoenix miner r101 under ubuntu.
AnnihilaT changed something on server side and I restarted phonix miner. It now works well.

Thanks Anni. Smiley

I actually changed it back before you got it working.... the fix was just to upgrade to latest phoenix if you are on linux.
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Is there any way to discourage/punish people who leave while we have long rounds? I mean, all of us know that by switching pool, we could be getting more for our time, but it makes the round so much longer.

Yup, I've lost a little over 2btc so far... a 4 day block... and counting....

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can you make an api for  the block list stats ?

or just put the information on public?

so I can add your pool to http://digbtc.com

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Finally! After ~7.5mill. shares Smiley

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Wee! Time to go find Lady Luck and give her a good kick in the head!

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No shit! grrrrr!


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or just put the information on public?

so I can add your pool to http://digbtc.com

Its on the list... gimme a bit of time for this.   Can you send me a PM with some example output how you would like the JSON object to look like?  Something easy for you to parse?  PM it to me and ill get started on this.

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UPDATE:

Guys,

 sorry its been so quiet from my end.   Ive had my head buried in a mess of code that was simplecoin for the last days.   What a nightmare.  We were dealing with heavy server loads due to very bad design grandfathered in from simplecoin (and probably mining farm before that ??).  

At any rate, i believe i have solved it or at least GREATLY improved it (on the scale of 400x faster and less load) so now that i have a workable backend structure i can build on i will move forward with all the icing on the cake (stats, etc) that will really make the site pop.   Im gonna take a few days off from coding on this project tho since my other duties have been neglected but new and cool things should start creeping in soon.   If you have ideas,  PM me and ill throw them on my todo list.    Better stats for blocks and payout history are number 1 on my list.

Please let me know asap via PM or reply to this topic if you see anything that looks off to how it used to be.  There might be a few small oddities for the FIRST next paid block (131,887 i think) but after that all should be ok.   Let me know if you have issues and i will handle them ASAP.

Thanks for bearing with us through yet ANOTHER horrible round and here is hoping that the next one hits more on schedule.   If server load was any issue for causing such a long round (highly doubt it but possible) then at least thats one more thing we dont have to worry about again for awhile (i hope) Cheesy Cheesy !

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another long round but we are running strong with the new backend.   
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Last one was very quick Wink Will add some more ghash soon  Roll Eyes
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Long round, then two blocks found one after another (vladimir is on to something here  Grin)

I have a feeling we are still running below the expected average, hopefully the variance makes a turn in our favor now!

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Long round, then two blocks found one after another (vladimir is on to something here  Grin)

make that three Smiley

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I have a feeling we are still running below the expected average, hopefully the variance makes a turn in our favor now!

We also have the feeling that we are running at a bit under average but hoping that it will even out... with three blocks in one day its looking up again.  

FYI, I've also upgraded bitcoind to newest x.24 version and applied some nice patches for multithreading and native longpolling among other things.


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Very curious to see them Smiley  Ill put them up on the site somewhere if you want when they are ready.
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I have a feeling we are still running below the expected average, hopefully the variance makes a turn in our favor now!
We also have the feeling that we are running at a bit under average but hoping that it will even out... with three blocks in one day its looking up again.  



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I have a feeling we are still running below the expected average, hopefully the variance makes a turn in our favor now!
We also have the feeling that we are running at a bit under average but hoping that it will even out... with three blocks in one day its looking up again.  



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July 30, 2011, 05:54:31 PM
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what modus have this pool ?

PP ?

is the statistik live ?

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what modus have this pool ?

PP ?

is the statistik live ?

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Statistics are live and method is a form of proportional at the moment.
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Working on it! Smiley
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This is quite a milestone. It seems we have stopped creating a new post here for every new block solved.  Cool

Indeed! Cheesy  I guess that can only be a good thing Smiley
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According to this we've just made it into top 10 (at least for a moment).

http://www.btc-poolwatch.com/poolstats



Noticed the same thing when i woke up this morning Smiley  Ive also mailed btcwatch to see if they will add us to their hashrate graphs.  We are bigger than several others they are already listing.
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I've been meaning to post that the additions/changes to the website are well done.  Good job!
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I've been meaning to post that the additions/changes to the website are well done.  Good job!

Thanks for the feedback!   Ive been quietly introducing changes and should probably be announcing them more often here when i make them.   As always any input is appreciated.  AFAIK,  ive implemented most of whats been asked for to date with the next plans revolving around a new hopping proof scoring method and a more flexible and "everyone friendly" donation scheme. (let users decide if they donate to developers and how much and implement the proper code to handle this). 

On a different note,  seems like our inital bad luck is being offset by pretty damn good luck lately *knocks on wood*  Given current difficulty we are doing pretty damn well lately (IMO).

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We are the block masters lately!  Seems like we are doing well above average lately... *knocks on wood* Cheesy Cheesy
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Go Cyberlync! Smiley  Nice to see someone other than luxs and vladimir finding some blocken! Smiley
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Go Cyberlync! Smiley  Nice to see someone other than luxs and vladimir finding some blocken! Smiley

Hehe thank you, I'm glad to finally find a block here as well, just recently (before I switched all my miners over to this pool) found a block on BTCguild, and started mining in general just over a month ago Cheesy

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Hi All,

I'll warn up front this is going to be a bit of a long post.  Please be sure to read the last section of this post!  I need input for a new feature i want to implement regarding donations!

First some status updates.  Been busy working on refining alot of the backend code which is resulting on very low load on the server and better response and performance in general.  Also been adding in some new features and testing others which i hope to roll out soon.  Some of the new stuff added:

- more info in JSON api (last share submitted timestamp if your worker is active)
- shares per solved block
- account payment history (complete mutations on your account now visible in account details) This includes how much you were paid per block and any credits or witdhrawals from your account.
- added some documentation on the about page for our server and user api code
- under the DTD link (donations to date) you can now see how much is reserved and waiting to be donated to developers.  Because of the transaction costs involved in sending large amounts of small payments,  im "queueing" these donations up in blocks of 0.50 BTC and sending them when the queued amount reaches this amount.

Also, in case you havent noticed,  we are now known, tracked, and graphed at most if not all of the aggregate statistics sites such ass bitcoinwatch, btc-poolwatch, pident, etc...


Now regarding donations,  I need your guys' input on a new way of handling donations.   

The main problem is that most of our miners were early adopters (meaning 0% fees) and this means that we are not really collecting much in the way of donations to the open source bitcoin developers.   The secondary issue is that im afraid we might be excluding certain miners who may not want to donate anything to opensource devs but might be interested in joining us if they werent forced to donate.  There may also be users who wish to donate more than the fixed amount we currently are donating to charity.   In essence,  the idea is that perhaps we need to rethink the idea of making donations mandatory and non adjustable by and for the user.  As it stands now,  the system is a little odd and difficult to explain and also difficult to do donation calculations. 

My plan is to change things to a simpler scheme where we simply say 50% of anything the pool makes (less admin fee) are donated to charity.

So if you set 1% donation amount,  .5% goes to charity and the rest to maintaining the pool.  You can set this as high as you want or as low as you want and in this way choose to support the pool and charity or choose to not support charity at all. 

This would also make calculations more straightforward and transparent and not completely exclude new users who are not interested in donating anything to charity.

I will let this float for a few days here and look for feedback and suggestions from you all and if noone has any objections to this i will be implementing it in 3-7 days unless we collectively come up with a better approach. 

Basically nothing really changes for anyone who currently has an account.  It just changes the way i have to calculate how much goes to charity and makes it easier to communicate to users how these calculations are done.   Right now its a bit vague and im afraid not everyone understands how it works.   By communicating it in this way i hope to remove the confusion and It just sounds alot better anyway to say half of what we earn goes to charity.  1% of the earnings of those who choose to donate something is not amounting to alot and if you just try to read that sentence it almost makes no sense.    Much clearer to just say 50% of what the pool makes in user set donations, goes to charity.  Period.

So what do you guys think?  Im open to all suggestions.
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i love this pool.
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I'm gonna think about and comment on the new post soon.

I'm writing this time because I saw there was a payout to my wallet earlier, even tho I had set it to 10btc automatic, it paid out when I had 4btc, and the automatic payment was reset to 1btc.

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Thanks for all the hard work, love it ;-)

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I'm gonna think about and comment on the new post soon.

I'm writing this time because I saw there was a payout to my wallet earlier, even tho I had set it to 10btc automatic, it paid out when I had 4btc, and the automatic payment was reset to 1btc.


Cyberlync,  Yes this was me.   Im sorry but i manually set alot of thresholds to 1 BTC back today as the pool wallet was getting quite large and im not comfortable holding that much of other peoples money to be quite honest.   Hope it didnt cause you any problem.  Quote from the new account details page:

"Please note: Mainframe reserves the right to periodically lower your threshold setting to force payout on balances larger than 1 BTC. We don't want to be your bank. Sorry! We will only do this when we feel that the pool wallet is getting too full."
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I'm gonna think about and comment on the new post soon.

I'm writing this time because I saw there was a payout to my wallet earlier, even tho I had set it to 10btc automatic, it paid out when I had 4btc, and the automatic payment was reset to 1btc.


Cyberlync,  Yes this was me.   Im sorry but i manually set alot of thresholds to 1 BTC back today as the pool wallet was getting quite large and im not comfortable holding that much of other peoples money to be quite honest.   Hope it didnt cause you any problem.  Quote from the new account details page:

"Please note: Mainframe reserves the right to periodically lower your threshold setting to force payout on balances larger than 1 BTC. We don't want to be your bank. Sorry! We will only do this when we feel that the pool wallet is getting too full."

With that reasoning, I'm perfectly fine with what you did, better safe than sorry Smiley

And to reply on the changes proposal, it sounds as a good idea, the "effect" is the same, but the wording is clearer and it's easier to maintain for you.

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Hi All,

Due to only receiving positive feedback on the new optional charity donation methods,  ive gone ahead and implemented it and Im super happy with the transparency and ease of maintenance this will bring. 

In light of this,  if you have a normal user account you will notice that the fees you are paying have been reduced from 1.5% to 0.5% because the 1% for charity has been made optional.   If you feel so inclined to donate, please take a moment to update your donation settings. Smiley

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I am looking for some feedback here on which stats miners want to see. I know what I would like to have as a miner, but still your input is very important. Thank You.



I would like to have some info on stale shares, on the individual workers, the number of stales and also a percentage next to it (I kind of like the worker stats on BTCguild). Total share stats on the individual workers, possibility to reset the share count (not for all shares, but to be able to test various worker setups, again kind of like BTCguild does it.)

Perhaps current estimated speed, and all-time average speed, which could take all the shares produced by the worker, divide or whatever needs to be done with worker age. Just an idea.

Sorry for comparing to BTCguild so much, but they do have some stat features that I like, and it's easier to give you an example.

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I am looking for some feedback here on which stats miners want to see. I know what I would like to have as a miner, but still your input is very important. Thank You.



I would like to have some info on stale shares, on the individual workers, the number of stales and also a percentage next to it (I kind of like the worker stats on BTCguild). Total share stats on the individual workers, possibility to reset the share count (not for all shares, but to be able to test various worker setups, again kind of like BTCguild does it.)

Perhaps current estimated speed, and all-time average speed, which could take all the shares produced by the worker, divide or whatever needs to be done with worker age. Just an idea.

Sorry for comparing to BTCguild so much, but they do have some stat features that I like, and it's easier to give you an example.

Thanks for the input!  Vladimir or I will have a look and see what we can implement... sounds reasonable. Smiley
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Hope everyone noticed the changes to the site.  Major overhaul actually and have a nice framework in place to start adding some really nice new stuff.  Graphs are coming next with more stats and more details on everything possible.   Stay tuned and please give feedback on the new design!! Smiley 
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Hope everyone noticed the changes to the site.  Major overhaul actually and have a nice framework in place to start adding some really nice new stuff.  Graphs are coming next with more stats and more details on everything possible.   Stay tuned and please give feedback on the new design!! Smiley  

I really like the new look.   It's still light and well spaced but it looks more refined at the same time.

I noticed some minor visual bugs with the new design. Nothing exactly critical but I felt like sharing.

When reloading a page using Firefox 5, I can see the page with no CSS at all flash quickly before it's fully rendered.  It's as if the CSS was applied only after everything is dowloaded.    I only get this problem in FF, Chrome and IE both render the CSS instantly.    

IE has a few different rendering issues like some stuff overlapping but frankly, it's to be expected with IE.  If I was in your place, I would ignore most IE issues.

When simulating a smaller screen, the "statistic line" that tells us the BTC value, hash rate and donation will overlap with the pool name on the left.   This happens in all 3 browsers I tested.

Keep up the good work!  The site is only getting better and better.

EDIT: One more little thing, I think that the monospaced text on the donation page (osList) is a little hard to read with the default font size values.  The size could probably be increased a little.

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I like the new design, feels more polished. I have a comment on the "Update Settings" "Cash Out" "Change Password" buttons, I feel the color is a little too bright, perhaps if it matched the same blue as the top of the site it wouldn't stick out as a sore thumb. Maybe I'm being picky, it's not a problem at all if you don't change it, it's aesthetics.

edit: The link on the support subpage should be updated to bitcointalk.org

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Hey cyberlync and ihokamik,  thanks alot for the input.  I think ive fixed the issues the two of you mentioned (kinda cheated on the color issue but i will work on nicer coloring later and pull out photoshop for some repainting on a few elements all at once - bah...i hate design work!)  Which reminds me if anyone wants to work on a new color scheme i can provide an image pack if anyone feels like playing or helping out in that regard.   Im only mildy useful with fireworks and almost useless with photoshop. Tongue

Gonna go work on some graphs now. Cheesy
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Hey cyberlync and ihokamik,  thanks alot for the input.  I think ive fixed the issues the two of you mentioned (kinda cheated on the color issue but i will work on nicer coloring later and pull out photoshop for some repainting on a few elements all at once - bah...i hate design work!)  Which reminds me if anyone wants to work on a new color scheme i can provide an image pack if anyone feels like playing or helping out in that regard.   Im only mildy useful with fireworks and almost useless with photoshop. Tongue

Gonna go work on some graphs now. Cheesy

I don't blame you for postponing the design work, not a biggie at all. I still see that the link on http://mining.mainframe.nl/support is pointing to forum.bitcoin.org I think it should be updated to bitcointalk.org since it got moved and all that.
I am looking forward to the graphs!  Grin Would still like to see a bit more worker stats in time, like total share count for each worker, round share count (which could be resettable) for each worker, perhaps add a average lifetime speed of individual workers (if possible to implement). Not trying to be an arse, just trying to bury you alive in work Wink

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Hey cyberlync and ihokamik,  thanks alot for the input.  I think ive fixed the issues the two of you mentioned (kinda cheated on the color issue but i will work on nicer coloring later and pull out photoshop for some repainting on a few elements all at once - bah...i hate design work!)  Which reminds me if anyone wants to work on a new color scheme i can provide an image pack if anyone feels like playing or helping out in that regard.   Im only mildy useful with fireworks and almost useless with photoshop. Tongue

Gonna go work on some graphs now. Cheesy
Not trying to be an arse, just trying to bury you alive in work Wink

Haha! Cheesy  Thanks alot, man!  Just what i need! 

All good suggestions... ill do what i can as i get the time.   User stats are a bit tricky for the long term because in order to keep the site fast i throw a lot of data out after a round has been paid out.   I only keep counts after everything is paid out correctly but perhaps there is something i can do.  Ill have a look at the data I keep and see what can be done with it and if need be more data can perhaps be retained to make better stats... we'll see Smiley  Thanks for the input!   
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No problems, and please take your time, as this is your hobby project. It's just whenever you have some spare time, and most important things are scratched off the list. Thank you for the work you put into this pool.

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Wow 3 blocks got solved since last time I had a look. Nice!


Yeah, im sure it will pleasure you to know that 141014 was another race and we have apparently won again.  Simplecoin is claiming the same block with 0 confirms and looks like the invalid has buggered his pool software once again Cheesy Tongue
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August 15, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
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This is a very good pool, certainly seems to be blessed with very good luck for a pool this size Cheesy

I like the new design of your site too. I just love visiting it every day and checking how much my balance has increased Smiley


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This is a very good pool, certainly seems to be blessed with very good luck for a pool this size Cheesy

I like the new design of your site too. I just love visiting it every day and checking how much my balance has increased Smiley



Thanks for the nice words and welcome to the pool!  Very happy to have you! Smiley
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I guess its a good thing when a pool the size of ours has such a quiet thread.   It means the miners are happy and there are no issues with the pool Smiley  At least im going to be optimistic and assume thats the reason Smiley
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thanks for sticking thru the last long round... fingers crossed the next one will be better.
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bump for new promotion.  Read post #1 for details.
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Hi, AnnihilaT

Switched over to your pool for testing yesterday, and am impressed by the stability and the low percent of rejections.

The Promo makes me feel much better as well  Smiley.

I decided to give up the stable PPS of Eligius, or the regular payouts of Slush/Deepbit for your more adventurous approach! By adventurous I mean getting knowledgeably lucky, even with 1 block per day average. It seems like you know very well what you are doing.

I am here to stay.

Thank you for your work.

And on the topic of suggestions, in my view, Eligius has some of the best statistics and graphs around (open source by Artefact2). You might want to consider it. Having said that, I feel that your current setup is good enough to keep me mining here.

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dear whoever mentioned luck,

please stfu - you jinxed us.

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Hi, AnnihilaT

Switched over to your pool for testing yesterday, and am impressed by the stability and the low percent of rejections.

The Promo makes me feel much better as well  Smiley.

I decided to give up the stable PPS of Eligius, or the regular payouts of Slush/Deepbit for your more adventurous approach! By adventurous I mean getting knowledgeably lucky, even with 1 block per day average. It seems like you know very well what you are doing.

I am here to stay.

Thank you for your work.

And on the topic of suggestions, in my view, Eligius has some of the best statistics and graphs around (open source by Artefact2). You might want to consider it. Having said that, I feel that your current setup is good enough to keep me mining here.

Welcome!!! very happy to have you join us... tell your friends about us and that's the biggest thanks you can give us Smiley

for the stats...don't worry... lots in the works.  we have only been up for a bit more than a month now and are steadily and regularly coding new features.  lots more will be added as we get the time.

also our code is open source as well and if anyone wants to help add features and functionality please feel free to do so.
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First block ever found :-)

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Congrats to tnkflx finder of block #141,959.

Tnkflx,  your account has been credited 1 BTC extra.  TX type is BONUS.

Cheers! and congrats on your first block ever Smiley
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I'm slowly moving my backup miners to this pool.
+1 for luck

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Mainframe Mining Cooperative OFFICIAL NOTICE:

After careful monitoring of our current situation, we have determined that the erosion of income from our loyal miners has no longer become merely negligible due to pool hopping.  In order to head this off before it becomes a problem and discourages loyal miners from using this pool we have taken the following immediate action. 

10 minutes ago after our last block payout,  I implemented a PPLNS reward system in this pool.   From this point forward, Mainframe is no longer a "pool hopper friendly" pool.

Let this serve as official notice to all pool hoppers - Mainframe will not help you cheat our loyal users out of hard earned BTC.

Cheers!
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I'm slowly moving my backup miners to this pool.
+1 for luck


welcome!  great news!
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Welcome and good luck to the new miners joining us!
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We got stickied into the top 10!  Milestone!  Congrats everyone!
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We got stickied into the top 10!  Milestone!  Congrats everyone!


That's pretty nice. "Viribus Unitis"  Cool

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Small update:


Today we have found already three blocks one of which was orphaned due to deepbit getting it into the network before we could.   Coincidentally there was a network and UPS maintenance window scheduled in my datacenter last nite with some unfortunate side effects of reduced I/O to one of the storage array disk clusters the pool cluster is using which was causing some latency and load issues for the pool.  At the very moment we found block 142,496 we were getting this array back up to speed and im convinced that everything running a bit slower is what caused us to lose our first race.   

Unfortunate or we would have 3 blocks up on the board right now.  You win some, you lose some Smiley

If any of you saw some oddities with portions of the stats reporting a found block but it not showing up in the list,  this was the reason for it.  Some of the code knew that it wasnt a valid block while other pieces of code had already entered it into a found block table the moment it had been found.   This is our first orphaned block so i hope to improve how this works a little bit when i have the time.  For the time being if you ever see the time stats showing a recent found block but it is not in the list,  this means it has been orphaned/invalidated. (at least i hope thats all it means!) Cheesy

In the interest of full disclosure,  here is the transaction list from the pool showing our last confirmed block (142413), the orphaned 142496 block,  followed by the 2 blocks currently awaiting confirmation/generation.

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    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "generate",
        "amount" : 50.09279550,
        "confirmations" : 120,
        "txid" : "d1aa00b3346417e0d818ad2a2708ee600c181fa54a796a905bb73190c535c89e",
        "time" : 1314200416
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "orphan",
        "amount" : 50.01300000,
        "confirmations" : 0,
        "txid" : "9152ed1267f3dd9ee1e4dbec76a9a1226ac52e63863ee5f121ba3a0b07db35af",
        "time" : 1314257607
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 50.01000000,
        "confirmations" : 14,
        "txid" : "9b8bf99bb4a6d5e4e7e988c6bbd6ebf197485360b8f12ac67367f4ff7d75a534",
        "time" : 1314270291
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 50.11531383,
        "confirmations" : 2,
        "txid" : "4ec7933d83c7d78d64af6a4ca3620c3049f8f0568de0a693d098c4a22c1de845",
        "time" : 1314280514
    },

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August 25, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
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Thank you for keeping us informed Smiley

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I'm back after the SolidCoin goldrush. Let's get this block!!!!


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welcome back!  how much SC did you make off with ? Cheesy
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Congrats to Monacelli for finally finding the last block!  Your account will be credited with a 1BTC Bonus as soon as it confirms. 
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welcome back!  how much SC did you make off with ? Cheesy

I don't remember  Cheesy

All I know is I made 50 BTC mining and trading in 3 days.

Would take 45 days non-stop with my miners.

And cheers for the block!

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wow thats pretty impressive... i have not been following whats going on with solidcoin at all... was it just volume?  you were able to mine so much SC because of low difficulty?  Is it over now?
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Mining made me some, yes. At some point, it was 3x-4x more profitable than BTC. I also spent 10 BTC to buy some more, having seen similar patterns for all previous alt. chains.

Cashed out at the top. Almost...  Grin

It's slowly downhill at the moment. Unless they pull a rabbit off their hat, it's gonna drop even more. It's slightly unprofitable now to mine SC.

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I am tempted to start a thread

"Mining on MMC is now 2x more profitable than mining Solidcoins"  Cheesy

But I guess they will call me a troll...

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I am tempted to start a thread

"Mining on MMC is now 2x more profitable than mining Solidcoins"  Cheesy

But I guess they will call me a troll...

lol!  that would be funny,...  do it for the lulz!!! Smiley
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Just did:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40057.0

Cheers AnnihilaT,

This is the first pool that makes me feel good  Smiley

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Just did:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40057.0

Cheers AnnihilaT,

This is the first pool that makes me feel good  Smiley

I love it! Cheesy Cheesy  Thanks for the laugh!
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I am tempted to start a thread

"Mining on MMC is now 2x more profitable than mining Solidcoins"  Cheesy

But I guess they will call me a troll...

Would that not curse the pool? Just like the *coins? They got a huge boost in a few days, and boom.. dead.

so... what are you trying to do here?  Shocked


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I am tempted to start a thread

"Mining on MMC is now 2x more profitable than mining Solidcoins"  Cheesy

But I guess they will call me a troll...

Would that not curse the pool? Just like the *coins? They got a huge boost in a few days, and boom.. dead.

so... what are you trying to do here?  Shocked



I think he was just trying to be funny and poke a bit of fun at the shitcoins Smiley
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I was hoping the smiley would reveal that I was kidding... alas Wink

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I was hoping the smiley would reveal that I was kidding... alas Wink

oh i thought it was a worried smiley Smiley  Oh its shocked ---> Shocked

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We got stickied into the top 10!  Milestone!  Congrats everyone!

This just proves Vladimirs technique works (injecting massive hash rates into startup pools)
critics who were doubting the sanity of people who would buy such a service, should rethink their position

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Top 10 pool in a bit over a month, from absolute zero to near 200ghash/s.

Thank you for the kind words.  I would like to shout this from a rooftop! Vindicated! Smiley  jk Cheesy
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Just thought i would share some of the new graphs ive been working on and just implemented in the pool.  Screenshots below:





More to come...  I promised eye candy...  well this is the start of it.  Login to your account to check these graphs out live.
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Very nice!!!

I would however suggest that the "effective difficulty in the second chart should be a moving average (so datapoint no. 1 in the chart should be the average of blocks -99 to -50, supposing that block 0 is the latest block, block -1 is the last but one block, and so on). So, even if you don't have data older than 50 blocks behind on the chart, this line should be affected by this older data.

This would normalize the curve, instead of it starting at a low point when the -49 block was a lucky one and starting at a high point when the -49 block was unlucky.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

Also, a bigger y-scale (double it maybe) will show the fluctuations of effective difficulty more pronounced and clear.

Keep up the good work.


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Very nice!!!

I would however suggest that the "effective difficulty in the second chart should be a moving average (so datapoint no. 1 in the chart should be the average of blocks -99 to -50, supposing that block 0 is the latest block, block -1 is the last but one block, and so on). So, even if you don't have data older than 50 blocks behind on the chart, this line should be affected by this older data.

This would normalize the curve, instead of it starting at a low point when the -49 block was a lucky one and starting at a high point when the -49 block was unlucky.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

Also, a bigger y-scale (double it maybe) will show the fluctuations of effective difficulty more pronounced and clear.

Keep up the good work.



Y scale is now selectable by zoom method...  click and drag your mouse on the graph to soom in on the y axis.
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Very nice!!!

I would however suggest that the "effective difficulty in the second chart should be a moving average (so datapoint no. 1 in the chart should be the average of blocks -99 to -50, supposing that block 0 is the latest block, block -1 is the last but one block, and so on). So, even if you don't have data older than 50 blocks behind on the chart, this line should be affected by this older data.

This would normalize the curve, instead of it starting at a low point when the -49 block was a lucky one and starting at a high point when the -49 block was unlucky.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

Also, a bigger y-scale (double it maybe) will show the fluctuations of effective difficulty more pronounced and clear.

Keep up the good work.



This questions is furthur addressed here:

https://bitcoin.org.uk/forums/topic/214-replies-to-questions-asked-in-other-forums/
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Is there a way to change my username within your website? I signed up a while back to get the 0% fee account and would like to come over and test it out but can't find a way to change the username.
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Is there a way to change my username within your website? I signed up a while back to get the 0% fee account and would like to come over and test it out but can't find a way to change the username.

sent you a pm Smiley 

Also, we are on freenode irc btw:  channel #mainframe.nl if anyone ever wants real time support.
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twmz added support for MMC today.... looks nice, eh?

http://btcstats.net/?mmc

Go get yours today before they run out.... first come first served... (raw materials needed to craft banners are getting scarce these days so i wouldnt wait too long on this)  

They look something like this:



Thanks also to gigavps for help on this....
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The recent run of good luck at MMC is sweet!  Grin
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Is the irc channel now invite only?   Huh
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Awesome pool AnnihilaT. Really nice web interface and the pool is rock solid!
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hi,

do you have any plans regarding merged mining?
it'll come in 196nmc blocks...

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do you have any plans regarding merged mining?
it'll come in 196nmc blocks...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44546.msg537256#msg537256
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Tired of unstable and disconnecting pools? Tired of pool hoppers? Tired of lack of stats and nice graphs?

Join this pool, and your worries will be over, in addition, there is a great staff operating the pool, we have already won several block races!!

Don't hesitate, migrate!

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September 27, 2011, 04:19:35 AM
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Anyone want to make me Chrome Extension that pops up a notification window when Mainframe finds a block?

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no information here for the orphan block ?

why no payout for block

http://blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000000474ce77f83e8acd371c5ade02013ee90f243ced3a739d8ddec5

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pls more informations.
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148434 was payed out normally.  The block before that one which is no longer listed (148284 i believe) was orphaned and mainframe has never paid for orphaned/invalid blocks.   Hope this addresses your concerns.
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Mainframe is shutting its doors.   Dont worry we werent hacked and all BTC is safe and will be paid out on the same schedule as normal.

I will write more about this when i get the time.  Sorry it was so sudden.  There was no other choice.

You can still login here via the old stats page to retreive your funds:
http://mining.mainframe.nl/stats

Once logged in you can reach most of the old site and order a manual payout, change payment addresses, etc.  This part of the site will stay up for at least 2 weeks for everyone to get their BTC out (unless the site is brought up on other servers in the meantime)

EDIT:  More information here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24650.msg589039#msg589039
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Quote from: www.mainframe.nl
Mainframe has shutdown. See forums for more details. All payouts will be made as they confirm.

Mainframe is shutting its doors.   Dont worry we werent hacked and all BTC is safe and will be paid out on the same schedule as normal.

I will write more about this when i get the time.  Sorry it was so sudden.  There was no other choice.

So this is more details??? We could argue on this I guess.
Anyway I'm quite curious about your explaination and hope MMC gets back to service in near future.
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I am reading this thread trying to decide if the ~11Gbps DDOS attack is still underway. Just yesterday Slush said he wasn't coming back without implementing a distributed mining pool (has since changed his mind). A better place to get info may be IRC (I haved been using Bitcoin Watch, but that only covers the largest pools).

Vague details can be found here: Mass DDOS part 2.

MagicalTux's post disclosing the magnitude of the attack.

Slush's Giving up post.

Speculation: I suspect the mainframe mining pool was also hit by this DDOS attack. Most webhosts provide 100Mbps connectivity. A 11Gbps DDOS would saturate such a pipe 110 times over. If the datacenter is relatively small, a 11Gbps DDOS may saturate at least one of the pipes going into the datacenter (assuming 10Gbps or smaller). My own webhost has a "Triple OC-3 Backbone". According to Wikipedia, that works out to 148.608 Mbit/s of payload (x3=445.824Mbps). A 11Gbps DDOS would shutdown my webserver's datacenter 25 times over.

When faced with this situation, the hosting provider probably said "find a new provider." If the hosting provider actually has the capacity, the request was probably to upgrade to a more expensive plan.

What can be done? One possibility is to avoid pools: they are easy targets. Of course, so is every individual bitcoin node (but collectively a hard target). If you like the lower variance of a pool, there is at least one hybrid pool that combines pooling and solo mining,

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October 21, 2011, 05:23:48 PM
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that sucks.  this was a really awesome pool.
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October 21, 2011, 07:55:34 PM
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MMC was cool and I was a member there. Not a big fish, but a regular top 10 participant.


There was a great community and the software was neat too.

Are these DDoS attacks really being operated by one or two people with a bad attitude? Surely, with the power a pool has at its disposal (in terms of many members, most of which will have decent internet connections and high-powered hardware), simply finding the perpetrator and then fighting fire with fire may work?

I'm looking at it from the old-bloke hacker perspective - try to fuck with my network and I'll fuck with yours. It's harder with DDoS due to the fact that the 'attackers' are idiots with unsecured Windows boxes who don't even know that they're being exploited.

But if there's a way to trace back to the originator... certainly something could be done.

Another potential trick - let's assume the DDoS is carried out by vulnerable Windows boxes, controlled by some evil piece of crap. If the perpetrator doesn't immediately secure the Windows box (and he can't - because he needs to send messages to the zombie box to attack a particular pool) then what's to stop our pool operators from breaking into the zombie box *too* and changing the hosts file to point the pool DNS names to localhost?

Basically I'm saying fight them at their own level. If they have got a way into a zombie box and not secured it, then a pool operator (or a hired hacker for the pool) can get in too, and then subvert the zombie's own DNS resolution system to ensure that the well-known pool DNS names resolve to localhost (or nowhere) - on that machine only.

This would only harm the zombies if they were also legitimately mining - and any miner with an IQ above room temperature would notice his/her hash rate disappear as the machine bombs the pool he/she is trying to mine with...


Yes, I know it's immoral. But we're dealing with criminals here. Sometimes it's the only way... only the pool operators will know, but if they're banning entire botnets, then they will have a list of IP addresses of members of the botnet. That list of IPs can be given to someone who will take down all the zombies' ability to attack certain DNS names (i.e. those of the pool)... make sense?

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October 21, 2011, 08:20:50 PM
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"Fighting fire with fire" is not really practical (never mind the legal implications, which are substantial)... if for no other reason than there is not a single vector of attack that is used to compromise the boxes in question.  Some infections may come from drive by, some from unpatched holes, some from malware, some from email, some from social engineering, some from trojans, etc...  It's also entirely possible that the exploit used to initially infect the box is patched, but the machine is already infected. 

With a huge number of different boxes, each box would have to be handled on a case by case basis.  Each box is exceptionally time consuming.  You'd need an army of people with the skills to accomplish this and I can't think of even one who'd waste his/her time for little or no gain.  Not practical in any sense.  Definitely not legal.

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MMC was cool and I was a member there. Not a big fish, but a regular top 10 participant.


There was a great community and the software was neat too.

Are these DDoS attacks really being operated by one or two people with a bad attitude? Surely, with the power a pool has at its disposal (in terms of many members, most of which will have decent internet connections and high-powered hardware), simply finding the perpetrator and then fighting fire with fire may work?

I'm looking at it from the old-bloke hacker perspective - try to fuck with my network and I'll fuck with yours. It's harder with DDoS due to the fact that the 'attackers' are idiots with unsecured Windows boxes who don't even know that they're being exploited.

But if there's a way to trace back to the originator... certainly something could be done.

Another potential trick - let's assume the DDoS is carried out by vulnerable Windows boxes, controlled by some evil piece of crap. If the perpetrator doesn't immediately secure the Windows box (and he can't - because he needs to send messages to the zombie box to attack a particular pool) then what's to stop our pool operators from breaking into the zombie box *too* and changing the hosts file to point the pool DNS names to localhost?

Basically I'm saying fight them at their own level. If they have got a way into a zombie box and not secured it, then a pool operator (or a hired hacker for the pool) can get in too, and then subvert the zombie's own DNS resolution system to ensure that the well-known pool DNS names resolve to localhost (or nowhere) - on that machine only.

This would only harm the zombies if they were also legitimately mining - and any miner with an IQ above room temperature would notice his/her hash rate disappear as the machine bombs the pool he/she is trying to mine with...


Yes, I know it's immoral. But we're dealing with criminals here. Sometimes it's the only way... only the pool operators will know, but if they're banning entire botnets, then they will have a list of IP addresses of members of the botnet. That list of IPs can be given to someone who will take down all the zombies' ability to attack certain DNS names (i.e. those of the pool)... make sense?

So you're advocating for pool operators to illegally break into compromised machines that are attacking them ?

I just want to get this straight...you expect a pool operator to break into ALL of the zombie boxes (at ~11 Gbps, how many potential machines do you think that is ?)...

It's bad enough in my opinion that BTCGuild has made a "deal" with the botnet operators.

Get real.
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Another potential trick - let's assume the DDoS is carried out by vulnerable Windows boxes, controlled by some evil piece of crap. If the perpetrator doesn't immediately secure the Windows box (and he can't - because he needs to send messages to the zombie box to attack a particular pool) then what's to stop our pool operators from breaking into the zombie box *too* and changing the hosts file to point the pool DNS names to localhost?

Actually the zombie boxes are infected with very sophisticated software.  Sometimes the zombie command and control networks have been taken over by some advanced hackers, but most of the time it is near impossible.  The machines once infected are usually secured against other takeovers and get patches that don't interfere with their own software.  It is very hard to completely remove the software from the machine without a reformat.  The command and control of these machines is usually done with types of encrypted keys as well.  Without the key, you don't get to do much to the machine. 


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Speculation: I suspect the mainframe mining pool was also hit by this DDOS attack.

Close.  We got word that we were next on the "hit list" and that a large scale attack was imminent (more than 11gbps).   I had very little time to make a decision.

Faced with this situation and knowing that my datacenter didnt have the capacity to cope with an attack of this scale i made the decision to spare other mission critical services, colleagues, employees, and other paying customers the loss of revenue, headaches, and inconvenience an attack of the scale would have caused.

I resent being forced into this situation.  It doesnt feel right to shut Mainframe down.

Now i have also had to re-evaluate the entire situation and realize that there simply is not enough revenue being generated from this pool for it to support itself outside of my own network and the danger to my other clients, colleagues, etc. is too great to justify keeping this personal hobby project of mine up and running at the detriment of everyone else in this network.   (In case its not clear,  i co-own the company where the pool was hosted so the bandwidth and server costs were negligible as long as it was hosted in my own network)   

At any rate,  the pool just doesnt make enough to pay for the type of hardware and bandwidth needed to run it properly and the person who was donating this hardware and bandwidth (me) can no longer do it.  I cant say im really happy about any of this (Im not) but sometimes the most logical action is not always the most popular one or the one you really feel like doing.  I just dont see any other options right now.

It was fun.  I wish it could go on.  Im proud of 0 downtime and 0 problems during our 3 month run.  We had a good service which was stable, reliable and just worked and we had the best miners in the community.  I guess its not a bad record to go out with.   

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Thank you for the service that was provided! I wish you all the best with any future endeavors. Had some great times at the pool, and as stated above, the fellow miners were a great bunch. Perhaps if Vladimirs pool gets done we can all meet again. Viribus Unitis

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October 23, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
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Fair enough, that was a very hot-headed post from me because I was, and still am, pretty angry about the situation where we've effectively got an Internet run by people with power but no responsibility.

Idiots with the virtual equivalent of major first-world armies at their command, but without the restraint to use them only in times of justified war; it's the equivalent of the USA bombing the hell out of anyone just for teh lulz. Fucking anarchy.

The fact is that two pools now have publicly stated that they've appeased the bullies, and done what they've been ordered. These words will sting Anni (sorry, I respect you and I really enjoyed being part of your pool, but this has become a bigger moral debate) and the BTCGuild guy, but it's true.

What next? Given that Anni's just said that his paying clients were important and that the size of the DDoS would cripple his datacentre, then the criminals operating these zombie botnets will presumably now be requesting protection money. Some things never change... 'nice datacentre you've got here... would be a shame if it got DDoS'd, my boys can take care of that for a fee'...

I don't want to be involved in a world like that. There's giving up, abandoning the enterprise, giving the criminals money, or just letting the whole thing fall apart until everyone gets bored. But there must be *active* preventative measures - not just defence, but offence as well - surely?

Defensively - why not run the pool on a P2P basis, with signed code to prevent each pool member *not* distributing the earnings amongst the network (actually, the entire Bitcoin 'reward' system could be rewritten to pay *every* contributing miner a proportional basis of the money supply - eliminating 'luck' and pool-hopping entirely, but it'd also remove the ability of 'being a pool' - that's probably deserving of its own thread, but I'm sure someone has thought of this already)?

Offensively - I admit there's little point in attacking zombie machines (though my opinion has *always* been that if you're unskilled enough to secure your own machines / network, and your machines are used as attack vectors, then your machines should be taken off the network for the network's good) but there are only two points where a DDoS can be stopped; either at the zombie bot, or the zombie bot's ISP. If the ISP can't give a damn, then they are just as complicit. Massive traffic identified as a DDoS attack can be stopped by the ISP refusing to forward on the zombie's packets before they end up, along with all the other zombies, filling up someone's pipe. And stopping the attack at the zombie machine itself requires hacking the zombie machine, which is unethical as per responses above.

Is there any way to ask the router *upstream* of your datacentre to filter packets on a certain-number-per-originator basis? All source IPs would get through but only at a restricted rate. This wouldn't affect normal operation but would slow down 'flood' type attacks...

It's a fucking shame, an absolute fucking shame. I understand why Anni did what he did, and on a business basis it makes sense (unless it leads to threats of financial extortion) but the whole situation could snowball into causing mistrust in the Bitcoin community, the further devaluation of the BTC, and eventual total financial loss for those who have invested in the enterprise.

Perhaps I'm being somewhat pessimistic, but right now, with organised crime assaulting the Bitcoin mining infrastructure, I don't see the likelihood of Bitcoin actually *succeeding* being very high any more. I think my investment in hardware will be wasted and mining eventually ending. Organised crime doesn't gain anything from this outcome - maybe the vested interests of established fiat currencies may gain, but I wouldn't expect them to approach the problem *this* way.

Again it comes down to power without responsibility - such idiots shouldn't be allowed to have such heavy weapons...


I truly hope that something rises from the ashes of MMC... I was proud to be a member of that pool and I'd be back in a heartbeat. I don't have the facilities to offer but will help in any other way - I'm hoping Vladimir has something up his sleeve Smiley

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October 23, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
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I'll be thinking about setting up another pool which would be more long term viable than MMC turned out to be and which would be able to resist multi   Tbps DDoS attacks, in a phoenix like fashion. But so far it is all on drawing boards, so nothing much to talk about.

Vladimir, with your mining power perhaps you can contribute an idea like p2pool to stabilize. No more DDoS, distributed mining (and distribute reward) in the spirit of the whole Bitcoin project.

Please, take a glance and consider a testing period on it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.0

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Fair enough, that was a very hot-headed post from me because I was, and still am, pretty angry about the situation where we've effectively got an Internet run by people with power but no responsibility.

Idiots with the virtual equivalent of major first-world armies at their command, but without the restraint to use them only in times of justified war; it's the equivalent of the USA bombing the hell out of anyone just for teh lulz. Fucking anarchy.

The fact is that two pools now have publicly stated that they've appeased the bullies, and done what they've been ordered. These words will sting Anni (sorry, I respect you and I really enjoyed being part of your pool, but this has become a bigger moral debate) and the BTCGuild guy, but it's true.

What next? Given that Anni's just said that his paying clients were important and that the size of the DDoS would cripple his datacentre, then the criminals operating these zombie botnets will presumably now be requesting protection money. Some things never change... 'nice datacentre you've got here... would be a shame if it got DDoS'd, my boys can take care of that for a fee'...

I don't want to be involved in a world like that. There's giving up, abandoning the enterprise, giving the criminals money, or just letting the whole thing fall apart until everyone gets bored. But there must be *active* preventative measures - not just defence, but offence as well - surely?

Defensively - why not run the pool on a P2P basis, with signed code to prevent each pool member *not* distributing the earnings amongst the network (actually, the entire Bitcoin 'reward' system could be rewritten to pay *every* contributing miner a proportional basis of the money supply - eliminating 'luck' and pool-hopping entirely, but it'd also remove the ability of 'being a pool' - that's probably deserving of its own thread, but I'm sure someone has thought of this already)?

Offensively - I admit there's little point in attacking zombie machines (though my opinion has *always* been that if you're unskilled enough to secure your own machines / network, and your machines are used as attack vectors, then your machines should be taken off the network for the network's good) but there are only two points where a DDoS can be stopped; either at the zombie bot, or the zombi