[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe

[RoadStress]

Impressive work! Good job Bitfury!

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good job for who ? for sure not for us small miners ...

Good job for network security!

Yep,the network is secure!!! By 3 or so corporate entities 

Bout time to find another ASIC resistant coin to use 

Well I never said that they are decentralized. The other coins combined don't have this kind of security.

[Mitak]

Actualy the problem for centralization are large mines in China
They do not look longtime . Mining for them is just USD income , same would be with manufacturing condoms

[dogie]

Actualy the problem for centralization are large mines in China
They do not look longtime . Mining for them is just USD income , same would be with manufacturing condoms

More unfounded racism. The American companies all abandoned us, the European companies all abandoned us and who is left? China, 2x. We could have been in the situation where there was no access to ASICs for the average Joe what so ever but instead they continued to sell to us.

[Mitak]

It is not about racism .
I do not like the way Chinese make business. They just eat everything.
I did not say I do not like Chinese people .

[kano]

Chip delivers a minimum of 100 gigahash per second of computing power. On average, the BitFury 16nm ASIC can compute in the range of as high as 140 gigahash per second using air cooling, and up to 184 gigahash per second using immersion cooling

so one h-card will be 10/14/16 x 100 ghs = 1/1.4/1.6THs and 16 of these on a m-board will be 16/22.4/25,6THs?

@ 0.06 J/GH 25.6TH on an MBoard would be 1.5kW.  Although possible, I think it's unlikely.

m-boards originally had issues when pushed past 600W, but that was largely due to there only being 2xPCIe connections (and 300W/each is too much for most wirings). There is/was an extra pair of screw terminals though, which could likely handle 600W+ themselves.

If you used all the connections available, you could likely achieve up to 900-1200W, which require active cooling and likely heatsinks.

Don't forget you'd be stuck with their software also which, to be blunt, is terrible.

Look at the number of orphans they pump out at the moment - and how on occasion they put out blocks that are well over 10s late on the network.
I'd not be surprised if they put them out much later and no one sees them.
Had one on my pool the other week (older bitfury with their software) that sent a stale block to the pool 69 seconds after the block change ...

So using their setup could be anywhere as high as 10% wasted ... i.e. could be as low as 90% of any specs quoted.
If I found any new miners on my pool with their hardware, I'd close the account - it's pretty much the equivalent of block withholding using a miner that is known to do this.

[Mitak]

Indeed too blunt .
I do believe they have the resources to upgrade  SW

[kano]

Indeed too blunt .
I do believe they have the resources to upgrade  SW

It's been like that for years ...

[ailikun]

Most likely(based on the previous 2013 bit fury kit),  2015 bitfury kit would be around 25TH at a price of 7btc ± 1btc.
+ It looks like they will only start selling their hardware, when they finish deploying maximum amount of PH they can.

So we are looking at april-may 2016, right before the diff.change.

[rupy]

Anyhow, winter of 2016/17 will be when we mine with 16nm which is the last order of magnitude performance increase.

I mine for heat, so for me it's a no brainer.

[klondike_bar]

Chip delivers a minimum of 100 gigahash per second of computing power. On average, the BitFury 16nm ASIC can compute in the range of as high as 140 gigahash per second using air cooling, and up to 184 gigahash per second using immersion cooling

so one h-card will be 10/14/16 x 100 ghs = 1/1.4/1.6THs and 16 of these on a m-board will be 16/22.4/25,6THs?

@ 0.06 J/GH 25.6TH on an MBoard would be 1.5kW.  Although possible, I think it's unlikely.

m-boards originally had issues when pushed past 600W, but that was largely due to there only being 2xPCIe connections (and 300W/each is too much for most wirings). There is/was an extra pair of screw terminals though, which could likely handle 600W+ themselves.

If you used all the connections available, you could likely achieve up to 900-1200W, which require active cooling and likely heatsinks.

Don't forget you'd be stuck with their software also which, to be blunt, is terrible.

Look at the number of orphans they pump out at the moment - and how on occasion they put out blocks that are well over 10s late on the network.
I'd not be surprised if they put them out much later and no one sees them.
Had one on my pool the other week (older bitfury with their software) that sent a stale block to the pool 69 seconds after the block change ...

So using their setup could be anywhere as high as 10% wasted ... i.e. could be as low as 90% of any specs quoted.
If I found any new miners on my pool with their hardware, I'd close the account - it's pretty much the equivalent of block withholding using a miner that is known to do this.

yeah, the GUI was pretty lacking, and often the start/stop buttons had no effect or could take anything from 5-30seconds to complete thier action. The actual mining hardware though was quite solid.

it would be an easy fix though (i think/hope) and should be done, especially if the stale rate is as high as you are saying

[rupy]

Yes, us BFL loosers are atleast spoiled with BFG!

What about 21co, can you mine on any pool with those?

[sebdude420]

So how we get in on the bitfury action

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[Unacceptable]

So how we get in on the bitfury action

"

When they are ready to sell em.....probably mid to late 2016 (or even later).After they run em & squeeze out as much BTC as possible from em,then you can buy em 

[punin]

So how we get in on the bitfury action

"

When they are ready to sell em.....probably mid to late 2016 (or even later).After they run em & squeeze out as much BTC as possible from em,then you can buy em 

Naah, april unless clock buffers™.

[Unacceptable]

So how we get in on the bitfury action

"

When they are ready to sell em.....probably mid to late 2016 (or even later).After they run em & squeeze out as much BTC as possible from em,then you can buy em 

Naah, april unless clock buffers™.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good ol BFL reference there!!!!! 

You win the internet for the day!!!!! 

[RoadStress]

So how we get in on the bitfury action

"

When they are ready to sell em.....probably mid to late 2016 (or even later).After they run em & squeeze out as much BTC as possible from em,then you can buy em 

Naah, april unless clock buffers™.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good ol BFL reference there!!!!! 

You win the internet for the day!!!!! 

Good one indeed

[punin]

IT'S ALIVE 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

[dogie]

IT'S ALIVE 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

For those on mobile:
Unheatsinked
(cold)
379mV
37GH
0.062 J/GH

379mV
39GH
0.063 J/GH

390mV
47GH
0.067 J/GH

394mV
52GH
0.070 J/GH

Higher power tests with heatsink uploaded later.

[rupy]

Neat! Hoping for passive cooling.

btw, these are 30.000x 666x more efficient than my zTex x1.15 in 4 years. Not bad "end of moores law".

[dogie]

Neat! Hoping for passive cooling.

btw, these are 30.000x more efficient than my zTex x1.15 in 4 years. Not bad "end of moores law".

Shouldn't that be ~750x more efficient? Also a bit fairer to compare it to gen 1 Avalons, so ~140x more efficient.