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August 19, 2018, 03:31:00 PM
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I once read somewhere in psalm 14:1 that says “The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God. Why is it so? I asked, and the answer is because” They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good among the fools. Anyone that does not believe the existence of God is one who does not want to have a superior being over him or her for whom he or she will be accountable to hence they enjoy immorality and despicable life style. And that the psalmist said is a foolish person. Accepting and believing the existence of God means there are lifestyle you are not permitted to live. You exercise dominion over your lust. Etc. anyways, it is a free world and we all have our free will or freedom to live as we please. But careless living we are made to know will end in eternal suffering in the lake of fire and righteous living will end us in eternal life of no pain and sorrow. The ball is in your court.

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August 23, 2018, 02:52:19 PM
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I'm a Scientist, have been for most of my life. I have NEVER believed in a supreme being, despite going to Catholic schools my entire life.

I'd like to know.... What is it that compels you to believe in God? How can you argue for his existence? Please bare the following in mind when you answer;

1. There are literally thousands of religions, each of which has members that believe just as firmly as you do, they say they feel a personal connection with God, they have their own religious books and doctrines etc, if you were born in Saudi Arabia, you would be a muslim, in Ireland you would be a protestant, seems like the place you are born denotes your religion, rather than divine intervention. Obviously you can't all be right, so how do you know YOU are.

2. Most religions state that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, all-present and eternal. If this is the case, why are people punished for sins by an all loving God, who predestined them to commit their sins by knowing the future? Why is there bone cancer in Children, and insects that burrow into the eyes of infants making them blind, could an all loving God not have imagined a reality without this? And why is there such overwhelming evidence AGAINST the existence of a creator?

3. Since the scientific era God has slowly receded into the shadows, God used to be held responsible for most things, e.g. people offered sacrifices for good health, prayed for rain, thought that God pulled the sun across the sky, created plagues etc. Now we know he does none of these, and God has been reduced to a "God of the gaps" whereby he is still attributed to things we cannot yet explain with science, doesn't seem very powerful anymore.

I'll try to respond to the major points in this thread attempting to dismantle them.

You as a scientist should already know that there is always something that can't explain by science. Like the evolution of man and even the creation of the earth, it will always torn down to where does the INITIAL components came from.

Me as a Christian believes in God for a certain reason that I know he exist and he is guiding everything in purpose to have a good life.

Please be advised that God did not punished sinners, God releases them from chains of sin. There is darkness in the absence of light I think that can already explains a lot.

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August 23, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith. I believe that if we truly believe on the god we know, then we must have a great faith on them. This great faith can be a strong argument how can I say that my god exist. Although, I can't really tell you that my god do really exist through data and other objective things, I think the fact that I have a strong faith on him makes him existing on my life. We just have to respect each others belief on this matter.

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August 23, 2018, 05:32:01 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?
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September 29, 2018, 07:23:38 AM
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even a scientist knows quite well that for any invention, there must be an inventor. A scientist is also in a better place to advice that there is no accident that cannot produce anything from nothing. Even something as common as a pair of shoes has a designer. How much more a complex thing like the universe regulated by laws!

I agree that a loving and an all-knowing God should not have allowed wars and famine and sicknesses. That, too, is explainable. It started in the Garden of Eden, where God gave Adam express command to obey him. God did say that if Adam failed to obey him, he would die. But then Satan came with a fat lie that if Adan disobeyed, he wouldn't die. Our 'grandfather', Adam decided to pitch tent with Satan. In other words what Satan did is challenge God's right and method of rulership. If God killed Satan on the spot, a universal rebellion could be triggered, for other angels might think that Satan could be right. The only way to settle this problem is to allow Satan to prove his point. Sadly in an attempt to prove his point, Satan has plunged the world into wars, famine, sicknesses, etc.

Imagine you're a math teacher in a class and a student stands up to challenge you that the answer to you provided is wrong. Would you pursue the student out of the class? Obviously not, for other students might think that the student might be right. The only way to solve the problem is to hand the student your marker and stand aside and watch him to solve the math to prove you wrong.It is the Math that Satan is solving that has led to much problems for the world. When it is clear to every student that Satan is wrong, God can collect His marker and punish him.

So the problem is caused by Satan, not God and the good news is that only God can eliminate Satan. that is why we need to pray that he does so sooner.
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September 29, 2018, 07:41:30 AM
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I strongly believe  that God exists. Shocked
This whole universe is the creation of God and our destiny is scheduled according to God.

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September 29, 2018, 10:11:37 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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September 29, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?
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September 30, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

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September 30, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

Cool

Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?
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September 30, 2018, 03:41:19 PM
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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real.  All 3000+ of them.
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September 30, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
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i believe God exists because everything the Bible(GOD) says is what we are seeing now in the world, the greed, killing, nations risings against other nations, people killing for money,etc.
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September 30, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real.  All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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September 30, 2018, 09:40:04 PM
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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real.  All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't  ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.
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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real.  All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't  ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.

Now you are trying to tell us that there was never a failure in science? If there was a failure, why would a scientist keep on going without knowing for a fact that next time, the result would be what he wanted, especially in the light of his present failure? It's all because he is believing that he will have success somewhere along the line. The example is Edison and his thousand attempts to invent the light bulb.

All science theory that has been around for a while is a failure. Why? Because it would have become science fact if the scientists had understood that it was real. So, scientists maintain the theory by believing it will be proven factual someday... except for those who believe it will never become factual. They don't know. They operate on faith, believing one way or the other.

For the dedicated scientist, science is his religion, or part of it.

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October 01, 2018, 03:43:42 AM
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You have very strong points. I also wonder when a complicat ed thing or design like us humans made it the proof the God exists. I believe that God exists and I also know that he is powerful and only that. All those things that made us believe like He is human like us could not be true because He is God so he is in another high level being and should not be compared to us because we are just lowlifes to him.

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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real.  All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't  ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.

Now you are trying to tell us that there was never a failure in science? If there was a failure, why would a scientist keep on going without knowing for a fact that next time, the result would be what he wanted, especially in the light of his present failure? It's all because he is believing that he will have success somewhere along the line. The example is Edison and his thousand attempts to invent the light bulb.

All science theory that has been around for a while is a failure. Why? Because it would have become science fact if the scientists had understood that it was real. So, scientists maintain the theory by believing it will be proven factual someday... except for those who believe it will never become factual. They don't know. They operate on faith, believing one way or the other.

For the dedicated scientist, science is his religion, or part of it.

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Then again, thanks to science we can drive cars, fly planes, fly to mars. That's because it works, the tests works, the method works. It's proven, period. Religion on the other hand, not so much, otherwise we would be praying all the time instead of doing scientific tests, why bother, right? Just pray to god and he will heal us, make the car and planes for us. Yet every religious nutjob out there still goes to the doctor, still takes the medicine, instead of praying to god.

Science works, religion does not.
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October 01, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
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You have very strong points. I also wonder when a complicat ed thing or design like us humans made it the proof the God exists. I believe that God exists and I also know that he is powerful and only that. All those things that made us believe like He is human like us could not be true because He is God so he is in another high level being and should not be compared to us because we are just lowlifes to him.

What proof do you have? Ignore the scriptures for a second, think of any other reasons to believe.

I for one became skeptical after reading the Bible, then I moved on to Talmud and eventually to Quran.  I found all of the holy books to be written by people who did know much about the world that surrounded them.  The God they described was a human reflection of themselves.

They created God in their own image.
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October 01, 2018, 11:15:03 AM
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People NEED to believe in something. But there are many evidence that show God exists.
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October 01, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
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We are all "gods"...
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