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November 09, 2018, 02:39:35 PM
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No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

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''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

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Because if you have a sample of 2 million people and you find 2 of them to have cancer you wouldn't think the rest also have cancer just because 2 of them do, would you?

This is the same, if the universe contains trillions and trillions of different objects but you only know the cause of 0.000000000001% of them, it doesn't logically follow that the rest also need causes. It's statistically just not correct. How do you know different parts of the universe don't have different physical laws? You said that yourself once, seems like you don't remember heh.

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It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?



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November 09, 2018, 04:28:29 PM
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Sounds like you like science fiction.    Cool

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

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November 09, 2018, 05:53:05 PM
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Sounds like you like science fiction.    Cool

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

Cool

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.



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November 09, 2018, 07:53:38 PM
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Sounds like you like science fiction.    Cool

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

Cool

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.

Sounds like you think that just because you have the ability to think something up, that it must exist somewhere. Well, it does. In virtual form, in your head. It's called art, not science.

Show some proof for causelessness. Nothing in the universe indicates that such is even possible. The fact that we don't know that something is possible or is not possible, isn't scientific proof that it might be. Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible because of the infinite odds against it - countless trillions to zero - and, because it doesn't even make sense.

Scientifically speaking, that is proof... by the odds.

People like you would rather look at the odds against winning a lottery, and suggest that you might win it because somebody has to. The odds against causelessness are way more than those against you winning the lottery. But you like to go on to say that it might be there somewhere. Get a grip.

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November 10, 2018, 01:18:45 AM
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Sounds like you like science fiction.    Cool

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

Cool

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.

Sounds like you think that just because you have the ability to think something up, that it must exist somewhere. Well, it does. In virtual form, in your head. It's called art, not science.

Show some proof for causelessness. Nothing in the universe indicates that such is even possible. The fact that we don't know that something is possible or is not possible, isn't scientific proof that it might be. Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible because of the infinite odds against it - countless trillions to zero - and, because it doesn't even make sense.

Scientifically speaking, that is proof... by the odds.

People like you would rather look at the odds against winning a lottery, and suggest that you might win it because somebody has to. The odds against causelessness are way more than those against you winning the lottery. But you like to go on to say that it might be there somewhere. Get a grip.

Cool

''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.



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November 10, 2018, 02:06:22 AM
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I always believe in our God Almighty, if you don't, then to whom would you believe?



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November 10, 2018, 03:13:09 PM
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''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.

Prove that God has no cause.

God, being outside the universe has  cause, no cause, and absence of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness, and fullness of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness.

You are simply selecting a infinitely limited view of something that falls into the singular yet infinite value of we-don't-know... at least by any means we have to evaluate God.

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''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.

Prove that God has no cause.

God, being outside the universe has  cause, no cause, and absence of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness, and fullness of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness.

You are simply selecting a infinitely limited view of something that falls into the singular yet infinite value of we-don't-know... at least by any means we have to evaluate God.

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So god has a cause? I thought you always said god has no cause because ''I'm the best and I know what's outside the universe and how it works''



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''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.

Prove that God has no cause.

God, being outside the universe has  cause, no cause, and absence of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness, and fullness of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness.

You are simply selecting a infinitely limited view of something that falls into the singular yet infinite value of we-don't-know... at least by any means we have to evaluate God.

Cool

So god has a cause? I thought you always said god has no cause because ''I'm the best and I know what's outside the universe and how it works''

Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things outside the universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.

Prove that God has no cause.

God, being outside the universe has  cause, no cause, and absence of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness, and fullness of anything either like cause or causelessness, or unlike cause or causelessness.

You are simply selecting a infinitely limited view of something that falls into the singular yet infinite value of we-don't-know... at least by any means we have to evaluate God.

Cool

So god has a cause? I thought you always said god has no cause because ''I'm the best and I know what's outside the universe and how it works''

Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things outside the universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''things outside the universe is unknown'' And yet you keep claiming god exists outside the universe even though scientifically you admit we don't know what's outside the universe? Are you honestly stupid enough to not see the failed logic in this?



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Because your parents in the country you come from pumped it in your brains   and this is because your country told them too..
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Because your parents in the country you come from pumped it in your brains   and this is because your country told them too..

Such might be a start for a person who believes in God. But if he continue to focus on it after he has grown grown to adult age, he is actually, mentally a child.

What people should be doing is starting to look at the technology in nature. And they are. They are trying to duplicate some of it. Many people of science ARE duplicating a little of it. And you can ask them if it is easy. They will tell you about how difficult it is, and that if they didn't have the help of a lot of other like minded people, and financing from a bunch of financiers, they would have failed in their attempts to duplicate a little of nature, long ago.

Where did the technology of nature come from? If it can't be duplicated easily with a lot of thought, why would anybody think that nature could make itself, without any thinking at all?

There is only one answer... somebody who has the ability to think a lot better than people, and has a lot more power than people - even hydrogen bomb power is tiny when considering all the power locked into the material of the earth - and has a lot more ability than people, to be able to put this whole thing together.

Why would anybody rather remain with the child-like understanding that God DOESN'T exist, because that's all their parents taught them? They have grown up. They have a chance to be an adult, and think on their own, and calculate for themselves, that nature is a mindbogglingly great piece of machinery, greater than can be found anywhere.

Machines have makers.

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Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things-outside-the-universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''things outside the universe is unknown'' And yet you keep claiming god exists outside the universe even though scientifically you admit we don't know what's outside the universe? Are you honestly stupid enough to not see the failed logic in this?

You fail to remember that things don't make themselves... at least not in our universe. So, whatever it is that is outside the universe, is what made the universe. One outside-the-universe. One God.

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Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things-outside-the-universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''things outside the universe is unknown'' And yet you keep claiming god exists outside the universe even though scientifically you admit we don't know what's outside the universe? Are you honestly stupid enough to not see the failed logic in this?

You fail to remember that things don't make themselves... at least not in our universe. So, whatever it is that is outside the universe, is what made the universe. One outside-the-universe. One God.

Cool

''One outside-the-universe. One God.'' Why one?



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November 12, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
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Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things-outside-the-universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''things outside the universe is unknown'' And yet you keep claiming god exists outside the universe even though scientifically you admit we don't know what's outside the universe? Are you honestly stupid enough to not see the failed logic in this?

You fail to remember that things don't make themselves... at least not in our universe. So, whatever it is that is outside the universe, is what made the universe. One outside-the-universe. One God.

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''One outside-the-universe. One God.'' Why one?

Would you even understand if I printed it this way?... Outside-The-Universe? Only one Outside-The-Universe. And that's all we know about It/Him/God, or anything else that might be out there.

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I have got just question here bud, Do you find the big bang theory a reasonable proof enough to explain the existence of living things and it's huge diversification ? I meant from a sand fly, single-celled organisms to we humans.


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things we cannot yet explain with science
Yet ? how long before answers can be provided by science ?
Or Simply cannot be explained with Science ?

People believe in the unknown (aka God) because they are ignorant of the world.

They refuse to study and learn how the world works.  If you stay ignorant, anything can become supernatural. From tree bark to the shape of bee comb.  Stones and stars will have supernatural meaning to you.

Fire and Sun were worshiped for a long time.  Now, the "before the Big Bang" is worshiped.

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I'd like to know.... What is it that compels you to believe in God?


To believe in a god, you need to be gullible, and believe whatever crazy things people tell you.  :/
This is the third time i read the term "GULLIBLE". It really interest me to learn this term. I do not know what this term implies until such time I do a research on google and now I know. It is better sometimezs to stick on English forum to learn more on english terms.

I do believe in GOD. Science could not explain the existence of the universe the life of humans and its nature. Science can only discuss things that happen but somehow could not proven. All are theory and nothing less nothing more.

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Actually, I'm one of those who understands that understanding of things-outside-the-universe is unknown, scientifically.

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''things outside the universe is unknown'' And yet you keep claiming god exists outside the universe even though scientifically you admit we don't know what's outside the universe? Are you honestly stupid enough to not see the failed logic in this?

You fail to remember that things don't make themselves... at least not in our universe. So, whatever it is that is outside the universe, is what made the universe. One outside-the-universe. One God.

Cool

''One outside-the-universe. One God.'' Why one?

Would you even understand if I printed it this way?... Outside-The-Universe? Only one Outside-The-Universe. And that's all we know about It/Him/God, or anything else that might be out there.

Cool

''Only one Outside-The-Universe.'' Only One universe, therefore only 1 planet? Or only 1 galaxy? Only 1 human? What does it mean to say only ''one'' outside the universe and how do you know there is only 1 god outside the universe? You don't make too much sense here.



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Would you even understand if I printed it this way?... Outside-The-Universe? Only one Outside-The-Universe. And that's all we know about It/Him/God, or anything else that might be out there.

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''Only one Outside-The-Universe.'' Only One universe, therefore only 1 planet? Or only 1 galaxy? Only 1 human? What does it mean to say only ''one'' outside the universe and how do you know there is only 1 god outside the universe? You don't make too much sense here.

So, now you think there is one planet and one galaxy and one human outside the universe. Why?

Well, how many outside-the-universe's do you think there are?

As for God, it would take a God to create the universe. Since the only thing we know about outside the universe is that it is one - outside - there is one God.

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Would you even understand if I printed it this way?... Outside-The-Universe? Only one Outside-The-Universe. And that's all we know about It/Him/God, or anything else that might be out there.

Cool

''Only one Outside-The-Universe.'' Only One universe, therefore only 1 planet? Or only 1 galaxy? Only 1 human? What does it mean to say only ''one'' outside the universe and how do you know there is only 1 god outside the universe? You don't make too much sense here.

So, now you think there is one planet and one galaxy and one human outside the universe. Why?

Well, how many outside-the-universe's do you think there are?

As for God, it would take a God to create the universe. Since the only thing we know about outside the universe is that it is one - outside - there is one God.

Cool

''outside the universe is that it is one'' What does that mean, though? That's an illogical thing to say. One what, I have one bottle, but many things can fit inside it, just because it's one it doesn't mean inside it only one thing can exist just like ''outside the universe''. How do you know only one thing exists outside of our universe? That makes 0 sense. You are just making shit up, literally.



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