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July 05, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
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The point of the second amendment is very clear if you read it. In 1791, in the absence of a military, there was a necessity for A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, - and thus - the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.



Of course, the fact that American conservatives usually support the Second Amendment and a standing army is quite ironic.

Excellent! In 1791, we needed a properly working militia, obviously.

Now, please, sir, demonstrate to us how the proliferation of 300 million guns among the populace via a gun supporter's interpretation of The Second Amendment translates to a properly working militia. Switzerland, the U.S. is not. And let it be noted, that in Switzerland, the militia is well regulated by 21st century standards, meaning, regulated, and regulated tightly, by the government.
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July 05, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
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Excellent! In 1791, we needed a properly working militia, obviously.

Now, please, sir, demonstrate to us how the proliferation of 300 million guns among the populace via a gun supporter's interpretation of The Second Amendment translates to a properly working militia. Switzerland, the U.S. is not. And let it be noted, that in Switzerland, the militia is well regulated by 21st century standards, meaning, regulated, and regulated tightly, by the government.

The original intent of the Second Amendment was lost in 1865.

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July 05, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
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The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.



Of course, the fact that American conservatives usually support the Second Amendment and a standing army is quite ironic.
You've made a good point, that being something along the line that the 2nd is poorly worded, poorly stated or obsolete.  And that the long string of Supreme Court decisions contrary to your opinion are without merit, because you've drawn the fine line of grammar through it all.

How about that...
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July 05, 2013, 07:56:21 PM
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You've made a good point, that being something along the line that the 2nd is poorly worded, poorly stated or obsolete.  And that the long string of Supreme Court decisions contrary to your opinion are without merit, because you've drawn the fine line of grammar through it all.

How about that...
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I say again:
The original intent of the Second Amendment was lost in 1865.

It was not poorly worded. The intent was exercised. The revolutionaries were snuffed out. Federal control of military power was solidified.

Now we have groups like the NRA fighting for our right to go hunting.

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