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December 06, 2017, 03:36:19 PM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
Chinese are not mad.Even though,bitcoin has been laid severe restrictions in china,chinese investors and miners know very well the value of bitcoin in the outer world.Now,at present,they are selling in counter sales P2P and also traders use telegram for communication.They have not given up.They hope that the present situation in their country would soon change.I think that china could not crash non centralized trading.
Obviously! These are some smart guys that will always find a way for them-selves. China cannot ban bitcoin and they really wish they can but their hands are tied and the only thing they can do is to restrict the activities. That is not really making any impact still and now they got served what they deserve.

If they like, they should keep on and I was reading on the news few days ago on how they feel bitcoin will not last. This is not their first and won't be their last. If they feel bitcoin is a threat to them, it is obvious their citizens like you said, are not dumb enough to miss a chance for themselves and if it means to relocate, they will.


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Pretty sure the JPY market that has boomed recently with crypto trading is as a result of Chinese traders moving to the bitcoin market. Sure, I believe it is going to be easy for them since they are in the same region and they can just get themselves running without any issue. If they are so scared that bitcoin would be a problem for their currency, then that is really their palaver and I really see how they want to keep up doing that.

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December 11, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
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They are trying to stop their people from cashing out in local currency, Cashing out Yuan will cause inflation for them, People now are trying to cash out in other countries to get dollar in exchange, They are in a war with the west. War of the coins Cheesy
I really want to see how it won't end up causing inflation still for them. China is just one controlling freaks and they have always been known to always come up with strict policies and I really do not know what they really want to drive at with them trying to make themselves feel good with their currency.

I am sure most of the traders ended up moving to neighboring markets which I am sure is the reason why BTC-JPY market is on top now.

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December 11, 2017, 05:36:01 PM
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I am sure most of the traders ended up moving to neighboring markets which I am sure is the reason why BTC-JPY market is on top now.

Correct. It's the most logical step for people there to follow considering how open and nearby Japan is. Also, Huobi is cooperating with a Japanese firm to launch YEN nominated exchanges, which again confirms that Chinese players are shifting to Japan, and from there eventually spread out further over the Asian continent. I am sure that Japan and other countries in the Asian continent will look happily forward to this, considering that it potentially means more job opportunities and capital being invested in there. China is just tackling itself instead of keeping a potential threat to their economy outside. People will always have their ways of investing and using Bitcoin - nothing can take that privilege away from them.

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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
It is difficult to know but I suppose that those holding crypto in china do not really need their bitcoin right now, so in a way they are forced to hold their bitcoin until the situation in their country changes or they decide to go around the law and maybe sell their bitcoin for a discount in other countries.

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December 12, 2017, 07:11:27 AM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?

Looking at the amount of trade offers on localbitcoins that involves the payment method fo eiher wechat pay, chinese national bank transfer, or alipay, it is clear to me that a lot of people in china has moved to p2p trading.

Also wouldn't be surprising at all if people now had wechat groups that specialise in selling/buying of bitcoin.

Of course, if they have connections they can use the other asian exchanges as well in Japan/Korea. But to my knowledge that is not a big trend. So i would say that majority of volume has simply gone p2p, and china is still with us "invisibly".

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December 16, 2017, 05:23:19 AM
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Pretty sure the JPY market that has boomed recently with crypto trading is as a result of Chinese traders moving to the bitcoin market. Sure, I believe it is going to be easy for them since they are in the same region and they can just get themselves running without any issue. If they are so scared that bitcoin would be a problem for their currency, then that is really their palaver and I really see how they want to keep up doing that.
That is probably what happened after all people are not going to give up making a fortune just because some laws were passed, the Chinese were making a lot of money with bitcoin and they are not going to go down without a fight, and when you take into account what has happened in japan it is not really a mystery why the price of bitcoin is so high.

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December 16, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
Chinese people have shifted their trading activities to countersales.They do P2P trading and they use telegram chats for such trading activities.Since telegram chat seems to be encrypted,they find it safe to use it.They are not ready to give up.The only change happened is that the miners find it difficult to sell their mined bitcoins in the market since exchanges have been shut down.

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December 16, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
Chinese people have shifted their trading activities to countersales.They do P2P trading and they use telegram chats for such trading activities.Since telegram chat seems to be encrypted,they find it safe to use it.





All the people not give up making fortune just because some law passed and China where making a lot of money with bitcoin and they are not going  and going with out a fight and when you take into account what is happened in Japan.Many people in china involved in trading by unknowing to the government.

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December 16, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
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Chineses are like the whole population of bitcoin, and that is it, i am not wrong about it.

I read a chart in where it said that China has more than 35% of the total miners that are mining our blocks and our transactions at the moment.

That is why bitcoin crashed a lot during the mess with bitcoin cash, because they all switched to mine that coin.-

Without them, we are almost dead, because the other 65% of the hashrate is not enough to process all the other transactions/blocks smoothly.

Sure, China has some of the largest rigs when it comes to mining even more than the percentage you stated, but trust bro, they do not have any hold on bitcoin and even when they thought they did, I guess the market really proved them wrong. The citizens are doing well for themselves and I am sure even the traders have been able to find solace in the Japanese market which is why I am sure it is booming as the highest trading volume right now. However, contrary to what you have said, without them we are not dead, and worst that would ever happen is the difficulty level of bitcoin dropping which is a good thing to me.







Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
Chinese people have shifted their trading activities to countersales. They do P2P trading and they use telegram chats for such trading activities.Since telegram chat seems to be encrypted,they find it safe to use it.

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December 16, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?

Looking at the amount of trade offers on localbitcoins that involves the payment method fo eiher wechat pay, chinese national bank transfer, or alipay, it is clear to me that a lot of people in china has moved to p2p trading.

Also wouldn't be surprising at all if people now had wechat groups that specialise in selling/buying of bitcoin.

Of course, if they have connections they can use the other asian exchanges as well in Japan/Korea. But to my knowledge that is not a big trend. So i would say that majority of volume has simply gone p2p, and china is still with us "invisibly".

https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins/CNY/BTC
Sorry but I don't see that volume, there was a quick rise to 4000 btc from 1000 but it is slowly back to normal levels.
Also the largest volume was in March so there is no correlation with the ban.

My theory is that the big whales have either move their trading accounts abroad or they just quit, they will not risk their fortune in China.
Moving millions via national bank transfers in China? That is asking to be part in a one of their stadium mass "corrections".
The small ones are just doing playing pennies on wechat and shaking in fear from knocks at the door.

But I doubt that trading right now in all of China comes to even 1% of the numbers Huobi and the rest were lying to the world with.





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December 22, 2017, 01:32:58 AM
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They're still mining like mad, there must be many thousands of people who hold some BTC still.

How are they trading? Is there masses of OTC and P2P? Is it possible for them to get on Korean and Japanese exchanges?

Many predicted that after their big fat congress they'd reinstate some sort of exchange functionality. That doesn't appear to have happened.

Will they go for a full clamp down including attempting to squash non centralised trading?
Chinese people have shifted their trading activities to countersales.They do P2P trading and they use telegram chats for such trading activities.Since telegram chat seems to be encrypted,they find it safe to use it.





All the people not give up making fortune just because some law passed and China where making a lot of money with bitcoin and they are not going  and going with out a fight and when you take into account what is happened in Japan.Many people in china involved in trading by unknowing to the government.
Yeah it would be dumb to give up, the Chinese have been making a fortune with bitcoin for a lot of time and they are not going to simply accept the decision from their government, as long as there is money to be made people are going to find a way around the rules.

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