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July 07, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
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Quote from: CurbsideProphet on July 07, 2013, 06:06:10 AM
How did you lose $22,000?  The amount of Bitcoin lost doesn't come close to that figure at current rates.  Did they pay you significantly higher than the current spot rate?  Are you counting the rest of your cash that was frozen in the account?

the 22k USD is the total amount of money that is charged back! You cant see the rest of the BTC in the transactions I provided since they are still in escrow. Anyway to be more precise since the price dropped during the whole fraud case the damage that I will have can be estimated roughly about this amount!
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July 07, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
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If I read correctly, he lost cash payments for 30 btc + 80 btc + 80 btc = ~190 btc


yes, this is true! its roughly 200 BTC that were traded for a price around 82 EUR, that makes an estimate of 22k USD.
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July 07, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
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It seems very likely, looking at network propagation (which, while it's NEVER FULLY ACCURATE, can also be used to slightly help. Note that where the transaction is propagated can also be thrown off as it can be taken up by any node. However, usually it is a close-by node), that this person who was offering you "German Clients" also lives in Europe, and probably in Germany. So that's a start. It also seems likely that this person lives away from any major cities such as Frankfurt.
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July 07, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
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Just to be totally accurate here your total loss is:

28.527 BTC ( https://blockchain.info/tx/d707d1eb7e97a9132314d895f0f80116f70085e6c4e2b2be34d09fadb20da07c )

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86.7546 BTC ( https://blockchain.info/tx/b42c6075bdba2dc6f3f05e14fb9d454672e4931c5c3eff40ca6b59a6756f9735 )

= 115.2816 BTC (let's call it $70/BTC right now so at current prices a bit over $8000)

and the rest of the BTC are still in escrow, you will get them back, and you did not lose them, right?

I am sorry for your loss.  You can watch the address and see if you can pick up a hint of who the scumbag scammer is by where they spend the BTC but that is about it.

I wonder if all 1,275.67952655 BTC at the address ( https://blockchain.info/address/1NrrEnKJ5tsgBgSQcPjLKXXo6Q9EGrh4zM ) are stolen?
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July 07, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
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I've determined the locations of this scammer.

My more likely thought is that the scammer lives in the Netherlands, Amsterdam. The less likely thought is that he lives on the outskirts of some major cities in Germany.
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July 07, 2013, 08:07:07 PM
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Quote from: BurtW on July 07, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
I wonder if all 1,275.67952655 BTC at the address ( https://blockchain.info/address/1NrrEnKJ5tsgBgSQcPjLKXXo6Q9EGrh4zM ) are stolen?

I think it could be indeed possible that we are uncovering a whole phishing ring!
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July 15, 2013, 08:09:37 AM
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Quote from: DiamondCardz on July 07, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
I've determined the locations of this scammer.

My more likely thought is that the scammer lives in the Netherlands, Amsterdam. The less likely thought is that he lives on the outskirts of some major cities in Germany.
More likely he is using a VPN service located in the Netherlands.  I've had a few users on the same VPN service, contacting me on IRC to buy bitcoins.  (Probably just one using different nicks.)  His payments to me seem to fail for some reason.  Perhaps the banks do better checks for payments to foreign accounts.
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December 29, 2019, 10:12:09 PM
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I know this is an oldie, but I'm curious if you got your BTC back, if the scammers were caught?
in 2013 the most people assumed their transactions were more or less anonymous. Obviously as well your scammer. So I see still certain chances to find the scammer (especially in case you both are in jurisdictions like Germany/Netherlands.

Someone here mentioned address 1NrrEnKJ5tsgBgSQcPjLKXXo6Q9EGrh4zM
My forensic tools tell me that the owner of this address is very likely as well the owner of 174 other addresses and that this person sent funds to his accounts at the following exchanges:
  • BTC-e.com
  • Bitstamp.net
  • MtGox.com
  • Bitpay.com

For MtGox and BTC-e it might be a bit too late but Bitstamp.net is still in business (based in Luxembourg and UK) and Bitpay.com as well (based in US).
So in case police closed this and you didn't get anything back the lost BTC amount at today rates (around $600k) would be worth giving it a new try.

If you want to direct message me I can give you more details, as well in case you need an analysis for other BTC addresses.
Good luck!
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