[ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts

[MagicSmoker]

Thanks MagicSmoker for the guide, I think people will find that very useful.

I know it isn't much, but sometimes our glorious Captain forgets about the skill level of us mere mortals when it comes to this sort of thing... 

Note that the Windows way of syncing to a timeserver could cause problems.  If you find that even after checking to make sure that Windows is set to update the clock, and has (it claims) updated the clock, you still get complaints about the clock being out of sync from the daemon, come back here and we will try to solve that problem.

I've lost sync twice in less than 12 hours so I already resorted to changing the timeserver to pool.ntp.org as suggested on the Slack channel, but I really don't think this an acceptable solution for the general public. Yes, it is fairly easy to make this change, but it also the kind of thing that M$ could change back at any time in one of their infamous forced updates (you know, the kind you can't block no matter what services you stop). For example, the 1803 update now makes Bing on the Edge browser the all-but-unchangeable means of searching via the desktop; I was none too pleased about that, as I despise both Bing and Edge.

Quick Testnet How-To For Windows

Replace <testnet address> with your address and <# of threads> to a maximum of the amount of L3 cache divided by 2; e.g. - a Ryzen 5 1600 has 16MB L3 cache so max number of threads is 8 (but to preserve desktop interactivity set to 1 or 2 less threads than maximum).

I'm not sure this is good advice for all cases.  I have a 44 core machine with 55 MB of L3 cache.  Mining with 27 threads (55 / 2) I get about 62% of the hashrate I get by mining with 44 threads.  (I have turned hyperthreading off, so have not tried with 88 threads, but I doubt that would see better performance, and it could well be worse.)

Yeah, I fully expect to have to tweak this, but until we get an actual explanation of how the new PoW algo works I fell back on the usual recommendation for straight CryptoNight, as that seems to be working for /most/ of the people on Slack.

That said, your CPU is distinctly unusual and so what works/doesn't work for you might not apply to those of us with rather more pedestrian processors.

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[fellestreum]

That said, your CPU is distinctly unusual and so what works/doesn't work for you might not apply to those of us with rather more pedestrian processors.

Not only that, I made a mistake.  It is a dual processor system, the L3 cache is per processor, not total, so it is 55 x 2 = 110 MB, i.e. 55 threads by the 2MB rule which is larger than the total number of threads available so 44.

[acru]

Quick Testnet How-To For Windows

Hi guys, sorry to ask this perhaps is so simple for you, but I can not undestand Serena and MagicSmoker instructions to mine in testenet. I alredy download the daemon, sync and create the wallet, but I do not know how to mine.

Please could you be more specific for begginers, step by step and more simple perhaps with more details and examples.

And by the way, I know I am  brand new here, but I have been watching this coin since the begining, and as an external member I totaly support Serena´s work and Capdero´s work, despite some commets of misplaced members of the community, continue with your good work.

[--Serena--]

Testnet downloads: http://seeds.dero.io/testnet/
Testnet stat site: http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/
Testnet explorer: 212.8.242.60:8081


Quick Testnet How-To For Windows

1.Download the new wallet/daemon from: http://seeds.dero.io/testnet/ - choose the windows_amd64 binary - and unzip the newly downloaded files to a new folder.

2.Download the database.db snapshot from http://seeds.dero.io/testnet/blockchain/derod_database.db.zip - and leave it for a few steps

3. Right click on the derod executable and set to "Run as Administrator" in the compatibility options.

4. Open a command prompt terminal

5. Find the folder where you extracted your testnet files to and get the location (ex: C:\Users\robot\Desktop\dero_windows_amd64\dero_windows_amd64\)

6.To begin syncing with the testnet, use the terminal and run the command: derod-windows-amd64.exe --testnet (ex: C:\Users\robot\Desktop\dero_windows_amd64\dero_windows_amd64\./derod-windows-amd64 --testnet)

7. Find your testnet folder, delete the database file you see there, and extract your database file you downloaded earlier to this folder. After your testnet daemon opens it will create a new testnet folder for you that is (on Windows) usually contained in your user data.

8. While the daemon is syncing you next need to generate a NEW wallet address specifically for the testnet - any coins mined on the testnet will not be valid once the mainnet goes live (ie - they don't exist on the mainnet). Later on when the official Atlantis wallet comes out you'll want to use the "restore from seed" option to import the balance from your existing DERO wallet address to the new Atlantis wallet.

9. Open a new and separate command prompt terminal

10. To open the wallet in testnet mode use the following command in the cmd prompt terminal:  dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe --testnet (ex:C:\Users\robot\Desktop\dero_windows_amd64\dero_windows_amd64\./derod-wallet-cli-windows-amd64 --testnet)

11.a)Then select option 2 from the menu - create new wallet
b) Enter a name for the testnet wallet
c) Enter a password for the wallet twice
d) Save the recovery seed (this is a testnet seed and won't work on the mainnet)
e) Display the wallet address - save address

12.Once the daemon has finished syncing enter the following command string at the daemon prompt to begin mining on the testnet:
start_mining <testnet address> <# of threads>  (Do not include < >)
Replace <testnet address> with your address and <# of threads> to a maximum of the amount of L3 cache divided by 2; e.g. - a Ryzen 5 1600 has 16MB L3 cache so max number of threads is 8 (but to preserve desktop interactivity set to 1 or 2 less threads than maximum).


(Beginner tip: You can tell if your daemon is in sync when the numbers go green)

I added/edited MagicSmoker's reply (thank you very much for that Magic!)

[--Serena--]

please update your testnet daemons to the latest version from here: http://seeds.dero.io/testnet/ this update just came out

[DMAllera]

It's really nice to know that Dero's goal is to create a unique state of the art blockchain technology with enhanced reliability, privacy, security, usability, and portability by bringing together some of the best proven technologies. With this alone, I think it could be very big help to us.

[CaptDero]

DERO Atlantis Testnet live stats in action.
  With CryptoNote Privacy protocol and more than 50 TPS in action.
http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/

[darrenwgray]

DERO Atlantis Testnet live stats in action.
  With CryptoNote Privacy protocol and more than 50 TPS.
http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/

Good news. Anyone can start testing a product or just a project team? It would be interesting.

[--Serena--]

Good news. Anyone can start testing a product or just a project team? It would be interesting.

Anyone can come try the testnet and we will let the stat site software out soon for others to add nodes

[MagicSmoker]

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(Beginner tip: You can tell if your daemon is in sync when the numbers go green)

I added/edited MagicSmoker's reply (thank you very much for that Magic!)

You're welcome, but you might want to put a quote link back to my post so some overzealous plagiarism hunter like me doesn't report it to the mods.  

Now, my comments on the testnet after about a day of messing around with it (posting here since the Slack channel is an unending stream of consciousness which I find incredibly aggravating; hence why I have avoided using it up until yesterday).

1. The daemon could be a bit more explicit about when it has synced with the network, especially since the numbers it displays otherwise suggest it is perpetually behind. Also, be more explicit with what numbers go green, and what the other colors mean (red and yellow, from what I've noticed).

2. The short block time of ~10 seconds has one major downside: very little tolerance of variation in the system time. Currently Atlantis refuses to sync if the system time is off by +/-1 second, which is understandable given the block time of 10 seconds, but it is not terribly practical or robust in the real world, particularly with Windows computers, which the vast majority of people use. The suggested solution is to change the timeserver to pool.ntp.org but this isn't really the source of the problem, rather, it is that Windows only updates the time via the internet every 12 hours by default, and my daemon starts complaining about the time being off after 3-6 hours... I'm definitely not getting up in the middle of the night to manually update my clock and so the only other alternative is to use a paid-for 3rd party timeserver app (as suggested by @fellestreum). Might I suggest that block times be lengthened back to 20 or even 30 seconds so that a couple seconds of mismatch in system clocks doesn't cause such major problems.

3. As for mining, I only managed to get up to around 140H/s with 8 threads on a Ryzen 5 1600 (16MB L3 cache, 16GB system RAM, no overclock). In contrast, this same system does 450-475H/s on CryptoNight-v7 (ie - Monero). So, don't be alarmed if your hashrate seems pathetic. It is, but that seems to be par for the course.

[insanid]

No qt wallets ? Whats the block reward ?

[sacskate]

2million premine is very high. Is there any bounty\airdrop planned from this ?

[Dr.Lecter]

2million premine is very high. Is there any bounty\airdrop planned from this ?

 
The first 1 million Dero is block height locked for 4 years straight.
The second 0.5 million Dero is reserved for various activities such as marketing, exchange listings, and other project related costs. This Dero gets unlocked in the follow amounts: 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% each year consecutively.
The third 0.5 million Dero is reserved for research & development. This Dero gets unlocked in the follow amounts: 20%, 20%, 30%, 30% each year consecutively.

big rewards for Dev team, if they do  hard work to make Dero success

[WhyMe]

What about GPU miner for Atlantis ?

[Azzi]

2. The short block time of ~10 seconds has one major downside: very little tolerance of variation in the system time. Currently Atlantis refuses to sync if the system time is off by +/-1 second, which is understandable given the block time of 10 seconds, but it is not terribly practical or robust in the real world, particularly with Windows computers, which the vast majority of people use. The suggested solution is to change the timeserver to pool.ntp.org but this isn't really the source of the problem, rather, it is that Windows only updates the time via the internet every 12 hours by default, and my daemon starts complaining about the time being off after 3-6 hours... I'm definitely not getting up in the middle of the night to manually update my clock and so the only other alternative is to use a paid-for 3rd party timeserver app (as suggested by @fellestreum).

Try Ridiculously Simple NTP Client, rsNTP download, it syncs every 30 min.
There is a bunch of other third party clients. Or you can potentially change the [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\W32Time\Config\UpdateInterval] value in clock ticks on Windows 7 or [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\NtpClient\SpecialPollInterval] value in seconds on Windows 10. I have not tried the registry keys, you can read up on these if you want.
Windows 10 NTP
Windows 7 NTP

[RhinoTrader]

2million premine is very high. Is there any bounty\airdrop planned from this ?

 
The first 1 million Dero is block height locked for 4 years straight.
The second 0.5 million Dero is reserved for various activities such as marketing, exchange listings, and other project related costs. This Dero gets unlocked in the follow amounts: 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% each year consecutively.
The third 0.5 million Dero is reserved for research & development. This Dero gets unlocked in the follow amounts: 20%, 20%, 30%, 30% each year consecutively.

big rewards for Dev team, if they do  hard work to make Dero success

Maybe they will do an airdrop, I dont know.. but its really for dev work, as getting funding these days is either scammy via ico or through hard work after growing their coin
Its better through this way when the team is able to work and show results constantly...

[btcdimcash]

I see for its very nice features for this project. With the extraordinary security of making this an extraordinary going forward. Any plans for the future? Promotion, roadmap? 2 million pre-mine is a bitcoins too much, do not you think?

[MagicSmoker]

2. The short block time of ~10 seconds has one major downside: very little tolerance of variation in the system time. Currently Atlantis refuses to sync if the system time is off by +/-1 second, which is understandable given the block time of 10 seconds, but it is not terribly practical or robust in the real world, particularly with Windows computers, which the vast majority of people use. The suggested solution is to change the timeserver to pool.ntp.org but this isn't really the source of the problem, rather, it is that Windows only updates the time via the internet every 12 hours by default, and my daemon starts complaining about the time being off after 3-6 hours... I'm definitely not getting up in the middle of the night to manually update my clock and so the only other alternative is to use a paid-for 3rd party timeserver app (as suggested by @fellestreum).

Try Ridiculously Simple NTP Client, rsNTP download, it syncs every 30 min.
There is a bunch of other third party clients. Or you can potentially change the [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\W32Time\Config\UpdateInterval] value in clock ticks on Windows 7 or [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\NtpClient\SpecialPollInterval] value in seconds on Windows 10. I have not tried the registry keys, you can read up on these if you want.
Windows 10 NTP
Windows 7 NTP

Hmm, yes, a poor choice of words on my part to say the "only other alternative" is a paid-for 3rd party timeserver app. Even though I wasn't aware of the other solutions at the time I wrote that post, I should know by now there is always more than one way to skin the proverbial cat when it comes to Windows.

However, I haven't changed my opinion that the current iteration of Atlantis is simply too sensitive to system time mismatches. Unfortunately, with a block time of 9-11 seconds I don't see any way around that without opening up the PoW algo to the sort of timestamp spoofing attacks perpetrated against the Verge network.

[--Serena--]

Hello everyone!

We've added a graph showing the DERODAG on http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/ (thanks ZoZ and Capt!) If you check the site out you can watch the DAG live in action!

[CaptDero]

 
Work in progress http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/
Learn more about blockchain and DERODAG live.

Thanks Serena, Mojo, Dank, Zoz and many more for their efforts and support.