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June 25, 2018, 07:04:35 PM
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Are you referring to me ranting?

Interesting how you deciphered the questions i was asking as ranting.

I spoke with you on discord. I was told to take it to slack. Which i obliged...there i engaged with mojo and a few others in a civilised debate. Hardly ranting ( when the convo lasted maybe 7mins?)

Then when there is some actual decent interaction with other members in that group i had to go to attend to my family. And while im away i am banned

Not taken to a dm to discuss or anything of the sort.

On multiple occasions even during my debate with fellow members in tge discord and slack channels i voiced how i was impressed with atlantis so far and in general the dev team.

My only issue was around communication.

Its even stranger when other members who were there during the "incidents " cant make out why i was banned either.

Please advise as to what was the reason i was banned.

Did i swear at any team member?
Did i swear at any other community member?
Did i not raise any valid points that were not shared by fellow community members?

I really would just leave this alone but its completely ridiculous to be banned for voicing a shared viewpoint
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June 25, 2018, 07:05:47 PM
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Wonder whats worse (since you're up on a moral high horse) Blatantly lying to people for months costing your biggest supporters time and money.. or being upset for a few hours that you lied to them for months and cost them time and money. You couldn't possibly have handled this worse.
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June 25, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
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When @cpmcgrat was banned a few weeks ago I sided with --Serena--, but after getting the 3rd degree from her and Mojo on Slack for I'm still not sure what, and then seeing @h0g0f0g0 was banned from Telegram, and, finally, actually witnessing the conversation that lead up to you being banned on Slack, well, I'm no longer taking the DERO teams side.

@CaptDero - you need to review the actions of Mojo and --Serena-- and then have a talk with them about proper community management. Yes, we should show your team members respect, but your team members better be damn sure we are attacking them and/or being abusive before banning us.

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As for the decision to stick with the original CryptoNight algo for PoW, I understand the reasoning and though it took a few hours, I actually came to agree with it. What I don't agree with - and what many others seem to have a problem with, as well - is how we were very much mislead into believing Atlantis would use a new, ASIC-resistant algo, right up until the announcement that it wouldn't yesterday. Oh, sure, --Serena-- was quite cagey whenever she was asked about ASIC resistance these last few weeks, which might have been a clue there, but the way this decision appeared to occur so abruptly, and without any preface or explanation, has definitely angered many - just look at the collapse in DERO's price over the last 24 hours if you need any more of a hint. Yes, the Atlantis tech is very promising... but so was Betamax, to use one of history's most infamous examples of a superior tech getting shunted aside due to industry collaboration and marketing.

You never got banned, and while you were exceptionally rude, we simply pulled you aside and spoke with you. I'm not sure why you would say we banned you when that's factually inaccurate.

Everyone else earned their ban through being crass, disrespectful, and in some cases, a ban came from ranting for more than 10 hours straight in the various channels.

People who take their actions to the edge of what they consider polite, and try to push boundaries should not be surprised when others don't share their perceived boundaries and get banned for being rude. Anyone who has been banned has been bothering multiple people, and I made sure to let them speak for an extended period to air their grievances, but again, there comes a time when 10+ hour rants are no longer helpful.

Wait...  MagicSmoker claimed he was banned?  I'm putting the quotes back in there because I'm struggling to see where he said that.
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June 25, 2018, 07:55:31 PM
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When are the Dev's going to show their faces and reveal themselves to the masses?

Every ICO i've seen the Dev's are visible and searchable

It's all a bit too cloak and dagger

How can we trust sneaky Crypto Ghost Dev's who go back on their word at the drop of a hat / a dump of bitcoin?

my heart bleeds to the poor people who bought this up @ 60-70k sats ... buying lies.
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June 25, 2018, 08:05:09 PM
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Every ICO i've seen the Dev's are visible and searchable

There's no ICO or fundraising of any kind done here
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June 25, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
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Every ICO i've seen the Dev's are visible and searchable

There's no ICO or fundraising of any kind done here

That's not what I was getting at, and you avoided the question.

People are still using money in one way or another to gain this crypto whether its the electric bills for mining rigs or buying it off exchanges,

Why so shady?

We have 0 clue who you guys are, until we know it's highly likely this is another scam coin. - Prove me wrong.

Surely after the recent sh1tshow of events you should be more open to your customers.

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June 25, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
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When @cpmcgrat was banned a few weeks ago I sided with --Serena--, but after getting the 3rd degree from her and Mojo on Slack for I'm still not sure what, and then seeing @h0g0f0g0 was banned from Telegram, and, finally, actually witnessing the conversation that lead up to you being banned on Slack, well, I'm no longer taking the DERO teams side.
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You never got banned, and while you were exceptionally rude, we simply pulled you aside and spoke with you. I'm not sure why you would say we banned you when that's factually inaccurate.

What is factually inaccurate is your interpretation of what I wrote, possibly because you replaced my text with, "abcd." Then again, it could be that you chronically misinterpret what people write, perhaps leading you to accuse them of being, "exceptionally rude," for example, when they weren't, or even to banning them from Slack, Discord and Telegram...

I'm not interested in rehashing old slights, real or imagined; what I do want to see is CaptDero take a closer look at what you and Mojo have been up to, because if you keep banning everyone who disagrees with you there soon won't be much of a community left.

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June 25, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
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We have 0 clue who you guys are, until we know it's highly likely this is another scam coin. - Prove me wrong.
There is only 1 guy, CaptDero, who develops Dero soft. He is already a millionaire, as he keeps 2000000 premined coins (look to the block 1).  As the site https://forum.dero.io/ is registered in France, it is likely he is also from France. Serena is from western Canada, she owns a large mining farm and produces untruthful info for the community. There is the 3rd guy, but I did not payed attention on him.
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June 25, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
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We have 0 clue who you guys are, until we know it's highly likely this is another scam coin. - Prove me wrong.
There is only 1 guy, CaptDero, who develops Dero soft. He is already a millionaire, as he keeps 2000000 premined coins (look to the block 1).  As the site https://forum.dero.io/ is registered in France, it is likely he is also from France. Serena is from western Canada, she owns a large mining farm and produces untruthful info for the community. There is the 3rd guy, but I did not payed attention on him.

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June 25, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
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@Mojo, Serena & Captain

odd how i was banned from Discord and Slack for viewing my opinions along with others that you strung along the community with the promise of anti-asic algo.
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When @cpmcgrat was banned a few weeks ago I sided with --Serena--, but after getting the 3rd degree from her and Mojo on Slack for I'm still not sure what, and then seeing @h0g0f0g0 was banned from Telegram, and, finally, actually witnessing the conversation that lead up to you being banned on Slack, well, I'm no longer taking the DERO teams side.

@CaptDero - you need to review the actions of Mojo and --Serena-- and then have a talk with them about proper community management. Yes, we should show your team members respect, but your team members better be damn sure we are attacking them and/or being abusive before banning us.

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As for the decision to stick with the original CryptoNight algo for PoW, I understand the reasoning and though it took a few hours, I actually came to agree with it. What I don't agree with - and what many others seem to have a problem with, as well - is how we were very much mislead into believing Atlantis would use a new, ASIC-resistant algo, right up until the announcement that it wouldn't yesterday. Oh, sure, --Serena-- was quite cagey whenever she was asked about ASIC resistance these last few weeks, which might have been a clue there, but the way this decision appeared to occur so abruptly, and without any preface or explanation, has definitely angered many - just look at the collapse in DERO's price over the last 24 hours if you need any more of a hint. Yes, the Atlantis tech is very promising... but so was Betamax, to use one of history's most infamous examples of a superior tech getting shunted aside due to industry collaboration and marketing.



They aren't switching algos because they cant. Literally cant develop a new anti resistance algo even though they said they had one. It was a lie from the beginning and if any of you guys are smart you will catch up to the actual tech coming out. Dero is nothing impressive and since it's very pro-centralization, it will die out. This is not fud but facts. Dero might not be a security but anyone supporting a project like this is just supporting a money grab by the dev team. Slowly over time they don't deliver to what they promised and use excuses with no substance. This project will be abandoned, that is why they have never shown their identities. 10% premine money grab with hidden identities and false promises. Give it a few months. You will all see.
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June 25, 2018, 09:52:24 PM
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There's a lot of FUD on here now.  I know for a fact there are many supporters of this project who understand the technical achievements and the potential, but they are choosing to stay away from here right now.  Hopefully once Atlantis is released and the doubters silenced we can return to some normalcy here, because it used to be a nice place to hang out, and it would be nice if was again.
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June 25, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
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There's a lot of FUD on here now.  I know for a fact there are many supporters of this project who understand the technical achievements and the potential, but they are choosing to stay away from here right now.  Hopefully once Atlantis is released and the doubters silenced we can return to some normalcy here, because it used to be a nice place to hang out, and it would be nice if was again.

 That is not how one develops a respectful project.
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June 25, 2018, 09:57:35 PM
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There's a lot of FUD on here now.  I know for a fact there are many supporters of this project who understand the technical achievements and the potential, but they are choosing to stay away from here right now.  Hopefully once Atlantis is released and the doubters silenced we can return to some normalcy here, because it used to be a nice place to hang out, and it would be nice if was again.

Over time this may be "forgotten"...

The feeling of beeing deceived is present at the moment, trust takes a lot of time to get, and it can be ruined in a short moment

I just keep watching this, but in sideway

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June 25, 2018, 11:15:52 PM
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What exactly does Dero offer now over say Sumokoin or Ryo?

80% less supply but no Gui wallet?

This coin overnight just turned itself into a pump and dump shitcoin.

The markets will show this in the following days

Much hurt such disappointments

At least the Asics might go elsewhere now Dero is dying.





Are you seriously mentioning Sumo (and its forks) after all that shitstorm it had?
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June 26, 2018, 12:41:50 AM
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I have some concerns about the way Dero intends to run.

As far as I know, the team intends to incorporate, and after that, they'll reveal themselves, correct? But we all know the privacy focused projects are at risk of start to suffer some kinds of regulation tries by authorities (just a matter of time in my opinion), or even be banished from exchanges (we are seeing this with some japanese exchanges). But many of them are community governed, like Monero for example. Besides the fact of some developers having their identities known, it's open source, and if anything happen, any member of the community can take over it, and the project will keep running and being developed (after all, the code is open source), so, maybe it's safe to say it can't be "stopped".

Even in the case of Bitcoin, which isn't privacy focused, when Satoshi "vanished", the project kept its development by a fundation, with Gavin taking Satoshi's "role", and many community supporters actively contributing to it. And as the code is open source, even if authorities try to stop it or if it suffer any other kind of interference, anyone sufficiently skilled can keep the project running.

Many times I've saw team members telling the code will not be open soruce, but publicly released for review only, and so, technicaly it will not be availible to be forked or continued by others. Having said that, if the project incorporates as it intends to, it will be subjected to the authorities, whatever the country where it will be based on, and it may be vulnerable to any kind of regulation or interference which that central power may estabilish in the future. I think that's a real possibility, since it's a privacy project.

So, I have some questions about this matter. First is how the team, as a corporation, pretends to protect itself as any kind of possible external interventions? And the second is, let's suppose something worse happens, and (in a possible hypothetical situation, obviously, but not impossible to occour in the real world), the team be unable to continue the project for any reason: it wouldn't be possible a community takeover to continue it with a non open source code?

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June 26, 2018, 04:00:07 AM
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This coin is no longer interesting.

“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”
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June 26, 2018, 04:26:12 AM
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1.If anyone invest his time/money on a project just because it's anti asic,he is stupid.
etc,Bitcoin Gold?I'm afraid it's not real anti asic now.

2.If someone hate and leave a project just because it's asic friendly,he is also stupid.
etc,Bitcoin.Any one here mine bitcoin with his gpu?

3.For anyone who hate dero:

PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!
PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!
PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!




And I will take them all.
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June 26, 2018, 04:44:52 AM
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Serena....mojo

Im still waiting for a factual response to my questions.

You are conveniently avoiding my questions here.

By doing so You are only supporting a view that is dictatorial.

Why was a banned for raising valid concerns shared by the community?
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June 26, 2018, 05:52:44 AM
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Serena....mojo

Im still waiting for a factual response to my questions.

You are conveniently avoiding my questions here.

By doing so You are only supporting a view that is dictatorial.

Why was a banned for raising valid concerns shared by the community?

I was in the chat at the same time and you did the same that you do here: just not accept it and move on. After people heard the news, people came to chat to ask questions or voice their opinion. After a bit of discussion, they would accept the dev decision or not and leave. But people like you would not stop. Its Ok to voice your opinion. But its not Ok to try to dominate the chat to get devs to change their decision. You would complain and ask the same questions over and over again. You started to complain in the morning and where still typing the same things in the evening . You want to have everybody to have your point of view and the devs change their decision. But the devs wont change and that was obvious. You were getting on the nerves of the other users (the silent majority + the people that are OK with the algo)
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