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December 14, 2017, 01:36:11 PM
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I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

But this is not what you were saying at first. You said that some Ethics Of Capitalism declare that "if it's not illegal, then it's legal". Obviously, this is not that simple and definitely not universal. Now you come to say that it depends on territory. Well, what about gray areas then? Then again, in many jurisdictions anything is far from being legal just because it is not officially illegal.

On the other hand, weed is allowed in many States and forbidden in many others, so what about the whole US? Can we say whether it is legal or not in the US without going specific? Can't we say that weed is both legal and illegal there?

All right, let's paraphrase The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If it's not illegal in a given territory, it's legal there'. That's what I meant from the beginning. I thought it's obvious that when we are talking about legality of something we mean legality in a given territory. How else could it be?

Yes, we can't  say whether something is legal or not in the US without going specific. We should always specify where, because the laws in different states are very different.

But this so-called Ethics Of Capitalism is not a law code, is it? What I mean to say is that this system is not a given. I mean in certain territories or jurisdictions something which is not declared as illegal by the law is not automatically legal. I don't know how this thing is properly called, but it is definitely far from being universal. To cut a long story short, there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal. That's why it can be sort of dead and alive at the same time just like Schrodinger's famous cat, to wit legal and illegal.

I think you are wrong here. With proper legal proceedings you will never be put in jail for doing something which is not declared as illegal. The prosecutor should say what law have you broken or otherwise you are free to go. If someone says "I'm innocent" then he's innocent unless it is proved otherwise. ...

If you can provide any examples to prove your point, namely that  "there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal.", please do so, because I don't think there are such areas.

Well, it seems that I have already given such an example before, but never mind since we don't have to go look out for some obscure examples that prove my point. Basically, Bitcoin itself as well as other coins is unregulated in many jurisdictions, so the whole cryptomarket may be a gray area in these countries. It may not be explicitly forbidden or prohibited, or whatever, but good luck to you trying to openly sell bitcoins in such countries as Iceland or Russia.

So Bitcoin is just that, a gray area of sorts.



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December 14, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
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You deserve it need a license because it's crypto. What do you mean by legal? According to what laws? It depends where the server is hosted and where the domain is. This is why many people living in the USA register and use domains and web hosts outside of the USA so they don't have to worry about all the different laws as much. I think we should rather worry about casinos paying out then any laws broken because I can't see any law worse to break the  casino stealing from you. Not having the right licenses is one thing but a cheating casino is another. Let's focus on one problem at a time.


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If you can provide any examples to prove your point, namely that  "there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal.", please do so, because I don't think there are such areas.

Well, it seems that I have already given such an example before, but never mind since we don't have to go look out for some obscure examples that prove my point. Basically, Bitcoin itself as well as other coins is unregulated in many jurisdictions, so the whole cryptomarket may be a gray area in these countries. It may not be explicitly forbidden or prohibited, or whatever, but good luck to you trying to openly sell bitcoins in such countries as Iceland or Russia.

So Bitcoin is just that, a gray area of sorts.

I have no information on Iceland, but what about Russia? As far as I know you can easily sell and buy BTC in Russia. According to this wiki article Bitcoin is not illegal in Russia and we have bitcointalk forum members from Russia who, I'm sure, can confirm that they can sell/buy Bitcoin openly there.

Here's the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory

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If you can provide any examples to prove your point, namely that  "there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal.", please do so, because I don't think there are such areas.

Well, it seems that I have already given such an example before, but never mind since we don't have to go look out for some obscure examples that prove my point. Basically, Bitcoin itself as well as other coins is unregulated in many jurisdictions, so the whole cryptomarket may be a gray area in these countries. It may not be explicitly forbidden or prohibited, or whatever, but good luck to you trying to openly sell bitcoins in such countries as Iceland or Russia.

So Bitcoin is just that, a gray area of sorts.

I have no information on Iceland, but what about Russia? As far as I know you can easily sell and buy BTC in Russia. According to this wiki article Bitcoin is not illegal in Russia and we have bitcointalk forum members from Russia who, I'm sure, can confirm that they can sell/buy Bitcoin openly there.

Here's the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory

Have you heard about the whole Btc-e affair? Why do you think this Russian exchange had been located somewhere in Eastern Europe, in Bulgaria or Czech Republic if I remember correctly? Why would they ever risk being caught by the FBI if Bitcoin was actually allowed in Russia? As far as I know Bitcoin is not officially illegal there but this doesn't prevent local courts from banning a few dozen Bitcoin related resources and sites at one go. This is an obvious example of what you would call an ultimate gray zone or area where something which is not illegal is not legal either. It is sort of neither dead nor alive.

So how's your Ethics Of Capitalism doing?



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December 19, 2017, 10:24:09 AM
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If you can provide any examples to prove your point, namely that  "there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal.", please do so, because I don't think there are such areas.

Well, it seems that I have already given such an example before, but never mind since we don't have to go look out for some obscure examples that prove my point. Basically, Bitcoin itself as well as other coins is unregulated in many jurisdictions, so the whole cryptomarket may be a gray area in these countries. It may not be explicitly forbidden or prohibited, or whatever, but good luck to you trying to openly sell bitcoins in such countries as Iceland or Russia.

So Bitcoin is just that, a gray area of sorts.

I have no information on Iceland, but what about Russia? As far as I know you can easily sell and buy BTC in Russia. According to this wiki article Bitcoin is not illegal in Russia and we have bitcointalk forum members from Russia who, I'm sure, can confirm that they can sell/buy Bitcoin openly there.

Here's the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory

Have you heard about the whole Btc-e affair? Why do you think this Russian exchange had been located somewhere in Eastern Europe, in Bulgaria or Czech Republic if I remember correctly? Why would they ever risk being caught by the FBI if Bitcoin was actually allowed in Russia? As far as I know Bitcoin is not officially illegal there but this doesn't prevent local courts from banning a few dozen Bitcoin related resources and sites at one go. This is an obvious example of what you would call an ultimate gray zone or area where something which is not illegal is not legal either. It is sort of neither dead nor alive.

So how's your Ethics Of Capitalism doing?

I think we still need to hear from people living in Russia about the legality of Bitcoin and crypto exchanges there.  Btc-e was closed down by the US Justice Dept for operating international money laundering scheme and laundering funds from the hack of Mt. Gox. It has nothing to do with legality of Bitcoin in Russia, as far as I know.  There were talks in October that Russia's central bank is planning to ban access to Bitcoin exchange websites, but from what I know things are still where they started.

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I think there is no websites have licence for this bitcoin gambling. Most of them are outlaw.
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