|WTB| Bitcoins for MoneyPaks

[realestone]

I have something to say,... you are both f@#$ed, What a shocker the cam girl turned out to be a scammer. 

If this Is the case (is looking more and more like a scam) I can't help but say I told you so

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[stex2009]

So after how many days did you come to know? Will be watching closely what happens. This has the potential to become a CNN telecast of American scams or American scumbags.

[auweia]

the problem with moneypacks is it can take two weeks before you know if it's legit, even if the card loads perfect at first because whoever bought the card can make a claim a week later

It doesn't seem much different than paypal or any other charge back scheme

In this case it took a little over a week. i think 9 days. Also, I was on skype for 24 hours and Ms Bitcoin signed on a  few minutes ago, didn't answer my question, and then signed off

And also, I lost 270 dollars, but I already cashed 200 of it so I lost a little more than half. Most of the trades for bitcoin I do is for cash, either in person or by mail. It turns out that cash is the safest way, from my experience

At least if you get ripped off in a person to person trade for cash, you'll know right away, but I've never been ripped off in a cash trade. Cash in mail is also faster than moneypack because that only takes 3 days and all you have to check for is counterfeit and escrow works fine

But moneypack can take 2 weeks and then you get a big surprise when your card is frozen. I suppose the only way you could make moneypacks safer is to have an escrow for it, but you'd have to hold an escrow for 2 weeks or longer to be sure nobody's going to come back and file claims on that moneypack

Lucky for me I don't do that many moneypack trades anymore. It would not surprise me if this becomes a big issue. It used to be that companies did moneypacks but those are gone now, and Koukan exchange isn't doing much these days either and that was about the last I saw that did NOT have problems with moneypacks. But now the government is tightening the noose, everything left over seems to be scammers

so it's ironic that the safest way is now cash, paper money. I've had less problems with paper money trades for bitcoin than any other method, and THAT seems to be getting more common. I see more listing for it now, and of course Wired magazine basically said that in a recent article

[smracer]

And also, I lost 270 dollars, but I already cashed 200 of it so I lost a little more than half. Most of the trades for bitcoin I do is for cash, either in person or by mail. It turns out that cash is the safest way, from my experience

So you cashed out $200 of Moneypaks using a stolen credit card and now they have your name and IP address, etc.  I would be pretty excited about that.

[auweia]

heh...no the card was not stolen..it was applied for nice and proper...the moneypack was the problem, not the card. the card issuer, Account Now, froze the card after the money pack was loaded, then a week later some kind of dispute happened with the moneypack

In other words, it was not my fault the card was frozen. it was the person who sold me the moneypack for bitcoin, then made a claim against it a week later. I still have that conversion on skype to prove it

[KingOfSports]

If you load 4 or more cards or load >$1000 in a week, with moneypaks bought outside the state you registered the card with, it'll get frozen automatically within a week or two for unusual activity. You will then be banned by greendot.

[auweia]

yeah, that happened with the first card like 6 month ago which was actually a Greendot card. However they actually let me withdraw the rest of the funds I bought with moneypack at the time. Greendot just wouldn't let me load anymore moneypacks, so now it can't be used anymore.

I figured it would have something to do with the zip code that was entered. But in this case with Ms bitcoin it wasn't over a thousand nor multiple cards..Just one single card and 500

In some cases, you load  money pack number at the greendot site for an outside card(account now), then you enter your own zip code. That's what i did here. But I'm getting a dispute page instead of my account now, but it's possible it could be just out of state

If that's true that it is now impossible to buy moneypacks unless it's bought locally, then moneypack is screwed anyway as a means for trading bitcoin

You might as well do cash trades, then go buy your own money pack locally if you really want that. As far as I'm concerned there isn't much reason to even use money packs unless it's for things to buy online, and if you want to do that, just get a  gift card at Gyft...why bother with moneypack?

[pheaonix]

the problem with moneypacks is it can take two weeks before you know if it's legit, even if the card loads perfect at first because whoever bought the card can make a claim a week later

It doesn't seem much different than paypal or any other charge back scheme

In this case it took a little over a week. i think 9 days. Also, I was on skype for 24 hours and Ms Bitcoin signed on a  few minutes ago, didn't answer my question, and then signed off

And also, I lost 270 dollars, but I already cashed 200 of it so I lost a little more than half. Most of the trades for bitcoin I do is for cash, either in person or by mail. It turns out that cash is the safest way, from my experience

At least if you get ripped off in a person to person trade for cash, you'll know right away, but I've never been ripped off in a cash trade. Cash in mail is also faster than moneypack because that only takes 3 days and all you have to check for is counterfeit and escrow works fine

But moneypack can take 2 weeks and then you get a big surprise when your card is frozen. I suppose the only way you could make moneypacks safer is to have an escrow for it, but you'd have to hold an escrow for 2 weeks or longer to be sure nobody's going to come back and file claims on that moneypack

Lucky for me I don't do that many moneypack trades anymore. It would not surprise me if this becomes a big issue. It used to be that companies did moneypacks but those are gone now, and Koukan exchange isn't doing much these days either and that was about the last I saw that did NOT have problems with moneypacks. But now the government is tightening the noose, everything left over seems to be scammers

so it's ironic that the safest way is now cash, paper money. I've had less problems with paper money trades for bitcoin than any other method, and THAT seems to be getting more common. I see more listing for it now, and of course Wired magazine basically said that in a recent article

this is untrue. moneypak is fine if it is done right. to do the chargeback you need the receipt. you simply send an image of the burnt receipt after the trade is done. bam, trustless, easy trades.

anyway, if anyone wants some real moneypaks for their bitcoin, i would like to buy. everything will be done fast, safely and securely. let me know when you get tired of waiting, worrying and getting scammed.

[auweia]

I'm not going to get scammed. I will do cash trades on localbitcoins. I know that works

[pheaonix]

I'm not going to get scammed. I will do cash trades on localbitcoins. I know that works

yeah after a couple of days of negotiating and who knows how far of a drive. you know, after wasting some more time on a couple flakes that change their minds. depends on how much your time is worth to you.

[-Mk23-]

Why do you say you got 200$ out, then say when you loaded the pack the card was frozen...?

Also where's the other 30$?

[auweia]

i got 200 dollars out before it was frozen. the other 30 dollars was fees. fees at the atm, fees at the card company

that's another reason why it's not worth it, even if it did work

[realestone]

well she hasnt commented yet on any of this another telling sign

[Tomatocage]

Any updates?

[smracer]

Any updates?

I doubt it.  This looks like your typical carded moneypak scam.  All these poor people fall for it every time and send their BTC and then they get their names/addresses tied to a stolen CC purchase.  Sad.

[realestone]

Any updates?

I doubt it.  This looks like your typical carded moneypak scam.  All these poor people fall for it every time and send their BTC and then they get their names/addresses tied to a stolen CC purchase.  Sad.

actually its more of a case where someone purchased the moneypaks then called and filed a dispute to get the money back you cant buy a moneypak with a credit card only cash or a pin based debit card purchase

[sublime5447]

I never knew what her game was, but it always seemed very odd to buy 76k in btc with money pak. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Who knows she may have just sold some second hand MP cards, but I bet she always planed on cutting and running or maybe she realized that BTC wasn't the best investment after all. At any rate it looks clear she is not going to be able or willing to cover the loses. Sorry guys. It is more about who you are dealing with than anything, you have to consider the source. I would recommend only dealing with people who have a proven track record of doing what they say and only doing small transactions with people who don't. Anonymity is bullshit!! Crooks and criminals are the only people who require secrecy (with rare exceptions) If someone wants to buy from you get their Fing name! that way if they screw you they wont get others and they will only get you once!  

There is no perfect payment system.

[auweia]

I just got off the phone with Account Now card people and they transferred me to the Moneypak people because that's why the card was frozen

The moneypak that was sold to me by Ms Bitcoin for bitcoin was in fact disputed after I loaded the moneypak. They said it would take 10 days to investigate the dispute and they'll get back to me on friday

so now we have a 2nd confirmation that the moneypaks sold were in fact disputed later. It was not because of loading too may cards or out of state shenanigans..The moneypak was actually disputed..As in, somebody called them up and reported the moneypak as being not kosher

[smracer]

How does this moneypak scam work?

So I can go to Wal-Mart with $1000 cash and buy a $1000 Moneypak right?  (+ fees)

Then I give the Moneypak number to someone in exchange for BTC.

Then I can call Moneypak and say someone stole my Moneypak number and they give me the money back?

Is this is what is going on?  Or are people brute forcing moneypak numbers or something?

[realestone]

How does this moneypak scam work?

So I can go to Wal-Mart with $1000 cash and buy a $1000 Moneypak right?  (+ fees)

Then I give the Moneypak number to someone in exchange for BTC.

Then I can call Moneypak and say someone stole my Moneypak number and they give me the money back?

Is this is what is going on? 

thats exactly what they are doing