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 The Official Hitchhiker's Guide to the BTCitcointalk Galaxy

 
Here you will find everything you need to know regarding the forum structure,ranking system and trust.Please take your time to read through this post and check the bottom section for additional resources. If you still have questions, try using the SEARCH OPTION first,/if you don't know how to use the search follow this link/ and if you still can't find what you are looking for ask here in this thread.
Let's keep the forum clean and tidy.


Sections

THE RANKING SYSTEM
THE CALCULATOR
THE ACTIVITY SYSTEM
THE MERIT SYSTEM
THE TRUST SYSTEM
INFOGRAPHIC
Q/A FORUM SECTION
USEFUL AND ENTERTAINING THREADS



The ranking system >

Let us begin with the ranking system in Bitcontalk. This is an overview of what you need to achieve in order to rank up as a member.

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RANK
Activity
Merit
Brand new
0
0
Newbie
1
0
Jr Member
30
1new
Member
60
10
Full Member
120
100
Sr. Member
240
250
Hero Member
480
500
Legendary -
 Random in the range
775-1030
1000


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Link to the Rank, Activity and Merit points calculator, v2
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Easy calculating your Activity based on your registration day. Basically for fun as just a few receive enough merit to rank up.



Regarding the Activity points system >
Explanation:
  • After your registration you have 14 days cycles in which you can gain up to 14 Activity points.
  • Every post generates you 1 Activity point but in 14 days time span you can gain up to 14 Activity points even if you have more than 14 posts.
  • On the day 15 the cycle restarts and you can again collect your 14 points.
Interesting thing is if you have posts over the limit from the previous cycle, with the first comment in the new cycle you get the Activity points from the old posts you had in the previous cycle.
Example:  I had 28 Activity points and 33 comments before the end of the cycle, with my first post in the new cycle my Activity points went up to 34, the same amount as my posts.

Extra info here >
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?



Regarding the Merit points system >

From 25.01.18 you have to collect Merit point together with the activity points in order to Rank-up. This was done to increase the quality of the posts and to prevent the spam.
Here are the new requirements for ranking up according to the forum Administrator- theymos. This is the copy from the Merit & new rank requirements topic, links you will find in extra info section
"In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks."
For reference see the table above.
I hope you will find your answers in the Q/A section. I'll try to list as many as possible.


Q/A Section:

Q: Well, how to collect Merit points?
A: "You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points you get as sMerti (sendable Merit) and they can be sent by you to other people."

Q: Who is giving these points?
A: There will be certain people called "merit sources" which will give points to quality posts. They are 57 79 at the moment I wrote this , see Merit Statistics link below. In addition according your rank and the merit points you have received you can also give to posts you like, so we can say that everyone can give sMerit.

Q: OK but c'mon, how to get Merit points on my posts?
A: There is no recipe for collecting merit but here are some guidelines. The most important is to try to contribute in some way to the forum. Stay away from breaking the forum rules, learn proper English in order to communicate effectively with the community, be helpful and creative, and the last advice is: don't push it too hard, you just gonna stuck on your current rank. Improving yourself will improve your rank too, I'm sure. See the reference on the bottom

Q: How many Merit points I have ?
A: Follow the link Check your Merit, there you can check your points and there will be listed also the points you have received and for which post and the points you have given.

Q: I want to know more about the Merit Points System
A: You have to follow the Merit & new rank requirements link below, it's a long discusion there.

The initial sMerit formula is here, thanks to theymos :
The exact formula was:
Code:
yearActivity = activity in the last ~year, max 378
freeMerit = the merit (not sMerit) you started with
modifier =
  0.1 if member
  0.2 if full member
  0.25 if sr member
  0.35 if hero
  0.4 if legendary

return (yearActivity/378) * modifier * freeMerit

Extra info >
Merit & new rank requirements
Check your merit
Merit Statistics



Regarding the Trust system >

Here is how theymos explained the system:

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Trust: 1: -0 / +12(3)
The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

These scores are taken from your trust network. They are not global scores. You can edit your trust network here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
If your trust depth is set to 2 (the default), you will trust feedback by people you trust, people they trust, and people they trust. I might change the default in the future; we'll see how this works. Your trust list is public.

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

If your trust list is totally empty, you trust "DefaultTrust", which includes some trustworthy people that I'll select. But if you add anyone to your trust list, even if they don't trust anyone, DefaultTrust will no longer be considered part of your trust list.

Q:    How you can check in anyone added you to his list ?
A:    Search for your username in the list posted by theymos.
https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz
I made it so that'll update every Saturday at 02:52 UTC. -> is "trusts", and -/> is "excludes".

Note: Information is taken from the Trust rules post.

Default Trust (DT) info:

Quoted from subSTRATA from this thread!
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short version: DT has 'depths,' which by default, is set to 2, although it is possible to see up to 4. Depth 1 is managed directly by the administration; only the admins can add or remove uses from this category. Depth 2 is managed by the individuals in depth 1 by adding or excluding them to their trust lists (the big text box on this page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust).
when a dt1 user decides to add a user to their trust list, that user becomes a part of dt2, and vice versa for depths 3 and 4 as well (although depths 3 and 4 are nearly irrelevant ). At this point, for a person to be removed from their dt2 position, 1 of 2 things can happen;

1. the dt1 member who added that user to their trust list removes them
2. the user is excluded by at least 2 other members in dt1 by entering ~<username> as opposed to just their username into the list

the second method serves to ensure that dt2 can be self - monitored to an extent without direct interference by the administration. If a member is taken off of dt2 through exclusion, their name will be 'slashed through' on the trust settings page as such: username.

Also, if you're wondering what the numbers next to their names mean, it denotes the number of dt1 users that have decided to either add or exclude a member from their trust lists. assuming the user is on 1 dt1 user's trust list (1), the exclusion of the member by 2 other users would put them at a (-1).

If you're curious, you can click the 'hierarchical view' link at the bottom of the page, and you will be able to see exactly which users have decided to include or exclude certain users from their trust lists.

In this case, it would seem Lauda has been excluded by 3 dt1 members: HostFat, OgNasty, and Tomatocage, while he is on the trust lists of 2 members: Blazed and hilariousandco.


Extra info>
Marketplace trust
Minor trust score algorithm change


Infographic - Merit & new rank requirements, all the credit goes to8Habits:
Link to the original thread.
"Image loading..." title="Merit & new rank requirements, all the credit goes to 8Habits"



Q/A on basic use of the forum.

Note> Complete list of FAQ you can find in the rules. The following Q/A are not listed there.

Q:  How to find my profile ID/number/link?
A:  There are many ways to do it. Find your last comment and click on your user name > like this example and check your address bar for the link, here is mine>
Code:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828
Mine ID is the number after "=", so 1291828.
Extra info here

Q:  How to delete/move a thread I started? 
A:  You cannot delete your threads,but you can lock them and move them to the Archive. Check this for reference Now you know how to move threads Smiley

Q:  Why my messages getting deleted/my activity decrease?
A:  Most common case is because your posts are considered as a bad/low quality/spam or just add nothing to the discussion/project etc. Sometimes you get a PM form the forum system that your posts are deleted, but now always. Other case is if you have commented on a thread which gets deleted, you don't get any notifications. There are many cases, but if you stick to the rules, you probably never gonna face this problem.

Q:  Why I cannot upload images?
A:   Answer is in the rules, better read all, before you ask again.



Additional useful and entertaining threads

Forum rules and guidelines:
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Newbies - Read before posting
[Tips] Guide for forum search

Useful threads for newbies:
Useful Crypto Terminology
BitCoinTalk hidden pages
How to sign a message guide
[LEARN] BBCode Lessons & Tutorials [+tutorial videos!]
Your Total Beginners Guide To Cryptocurrency and Bitcointalk
List of all Bitcoin forks
Bitcoin Fork claiming guide

Other interesting topics:
Satoshi Nakamotos' profile
The pizza thread /10000btc for pizza in addition,the actual pics of the pizza
I AM HODLING or where did the HODL term came from
Theymos's list of altcoins with some technical merit
Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)
Legendary profiles of bitcointalk
The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk
Satoshi suspects, frauds and conspiracies
The Cypherpunks
Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

For Bounty hunters:
List of Campaign Managers Latest Post
OVERVIEW OF SERVICES
Bounties the managers (spreadsheet)
Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns
Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers

Merit related lists of services and info:
LIST OF THREADS GIVING AWAY MERIT POINTS FOR QUALITY POSTS
List of Threads Giving Away Merits  Outdated
Joel_Jantsen's Merit Distribution Thread (Newbies Welcome)
One (1) Merit point to Rank-up Service, Jr. to Hero Members Are Welcome. Closed
TMAN'S guide to getting merit
Full merit transaction history for any user new
BPIP - Bitcointalk Public Information Project by Vod External link


Learning and Courses + external links:new section

[GUIDES] on Bitcointalk. Index thread by LoyceV new
Some EDX courses I mentioned
Current Edx courses on blockchain and bitcoin External link
Available courses on Bitcoin and Blockchain Technology from colleges and University
Jet Cash's "ask a legendary" thread
Jet Cash's Fit to Talk project, learn proper English



I would like to add more content to the Q/A forum section so please suggest some good questions I can add.


Links for personal use not related to the topic >
List of Rule-Breakers.. | One (1) Merit point to Rank-up Service | BitcoinTalk Public Information Project (BPIP)

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December 06, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
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Here is a little gem of knowledge that's often omitted from all activity calculator discussion: If you make more than 14 posts a fortnight, they don't go to waste. The excess posts will count as additional activity in the future activity periods where you've made less than 14 posts.
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December 20, 2017, 07:52:27 AM
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The calculations looks correct till now.Got my Activity points today as planned so I guess first test has been passed successfully.

Here is a little gem of knowledge that's often omitted from all activity calculator discussion: If you make more than 14 posts a fortnight, they don't go to waste. The excess posts will count as additional activity in the future activity periods where you've made less than 14 posts.

Yeah just experienced it myself that if you post more than 14 post per 2 weeks the extra posts automatically generate Activity points after your first comment in the new 2 weeks time span. This is great.


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January 05, 2018, 02:55:56 PM
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Here is a little gem of knowledge that's often omitted from all activity calculator discussion: If you make more than 14 posts a fortnight, they don't go to waste. The excess posts will count as additional activity in the future activity periods where you've made less than 14 posts.

Oh man, this is great to know! Explains how I got more Activity immediately after recalculation took place.

Thanks for the calculator OP. Fun to play with.
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January 11, 2018, 07:42:29 PM
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Thank you for this precision! It really helps me as a newbie.
I also foudn this post about rank. I hope it can help!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.msg1861412#msg1861412
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January 12, 2018, 04:43:57 AM
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Here is a little gem of knowledge that's often omitted from all activity calculator discussion: If you make more than 14 posts a fortnight, they don't go to waste. The excess posts will count as additional activity in the future activity periods where you've made less than 14 posts.
I was enlightened now, thanks for the information. This explains the additional count i experienced before. I thought the website just experiencing error and my comment got posted twice. So i guess 14posts per week is not a limitation, the excess will still be used on the future. I've been thinking to post just the exact 14 post so that others won't get wasted, i understand now.

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January 12, 2018, 06:28:39 AM
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Wow it enlightens me. Thanks for this post. I now understand how does activity points work. So grateful this post helps a lot for newbies like me. I really thought that you need to post the exact 14posts per 2weeks.

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January 12, 2018, 07:21:28 AM
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Interesting. If you post correctly, it will take you just over 2 years to level up to Legendary. When I started out a few years ago, I just posted frequently, because I liked the forum and before I knew it, I reached Legendary. The secret to the success for this, is not to post on the forum to rank up. Come in daily and look for something that interest you and then just chat about it or ask questions to gain more knowledge. 

Time goes by very quickly and before you know it, you will be a Legendary member of this forum.  ^smile^

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January 12, 2018, 09:28:11 AM
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Interesting. If you post correctly, it will take you just over 2 years to level up to Legendary. When I started out a few years ago, I just posted frequently, because I liked the forum and before I knew it, I reached Legendary. The secret to the success for this, is not to post on the forum to rank up. Come in daily and look for something that interest you and then just chat about it or ask questions to gain more knowledge.  

Time goes by very quickly and before you know it, you will be a Legendary member of this forum.  ^smile^

Keep in mind that legendary is a bit more tricky >
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You are guaranteed to become Legendary somewhere between 775 and 1030 activity, but the exact point in this range at which you become Legendary is random per user.

I am happy that you people find the calculator useful Smiley

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Im pretty sure every 2 weeks you can have 14 activity points so its like 7/7 ..... 7 points a week . so to get full member should be at 4.5 months . you need 126 points of activity. dont worry about that you will get it soon.join some bounty campains too will do good for you.

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You can get one activity every time you post but its maximum if 14 and it will accumulate every 2weeks and in jr member you need 30 activity so atleast 1month,member 2months,full member 4months and so on be because every rank the actuvity required will be double.
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You can accumulate 14 activity every 2weeks so 1activity everyday and when you reach 30 you will be promoted to jr. Member and then multiply it buy two to be member and so on

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January 25, 2018, 09:58:36 AM
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Now the game has changed and for the newcomers coming only for the bounties it will be difficult. Now you have to contribute to the forum and earn Merit points in order to rank-up.
I have updated the calculator with the Merit point system. More information you will find in the calculator Smiley
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Misprint
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Misprint
Merti points -> Merit points

Thank you, just corrected the mistake. Smiley

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With the introduction of the new merit points system in addition to activity, leveling up is now impossible to predict. I still like your spreadsheet and I'm keeping it in my bookmarks, but man... what a bummer.

For those who missed the news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

What do you guys think about merits?
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January 25, 2018, 10:25:29 PM
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With the introduction of the new merit points system in addition to activity, leveling up is now impossible to predict. I still like your spreadsheet and I'm keeping it in my bookmarks, but man... what a bummer.

For those who missed the news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

What do you guys think about merits?

I think this is one solution to all the spam here. It's easy to reach 10 Merit points if you post quality posts. From 10 to 100 is a bit more difficult for Full member. We are still in the beginnig of the new system, hope that with the time the system will be adjusted. Lets see what happens from now on.

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With the introduction of the new merit points system in addition to activity, leveling up is now impossible to predict. I still like your spreadsheet and I'm keeping it in my bookmarks, but man... what a bummer.

For those who missed the news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

What do you guys think about merits?

I think this is one solution to all the spam here. It's easy to reach 10 Merit points if you post quality posts. From 10 to 100 is a bit more difficult for Full member. We are still in the beginnig of the new system, hope that with the time the system will be adjusted. Lets see what happens from now on.

Yup, agreed, I think the panic about the forum's imminent death is premature. I'm even kinda happy I wasn't a more senior rank about to level up... that would suck big time.

With regards to spam, I hope it will help curtail it, BUT someone else brought up a valid point that newbies might start spamming even more in hopes of getting merit at least for something. We'll see.

Hoping for some adjustments though. The system is a bit complicated.
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The new system will be good, but I think many of us will ignore awarding quality posts. Sometimes, we just look for info and we skip awarding contributor.

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I also like the new system. Although it will be difficult to rank up, it will definitely weed out the spammers/broken-English, non-nonsensical ramblings that occur on here. I think the people did that just to quickly rank up, and now it de-incentivizes them from doing so.

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