Avalon Batch #3 & More

[WinTame2012]

@BitSyncom,

Is there any feedback on the refund form submitted? I wonder if you get it and all is ok before it will be too late.

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[SebastianJu]

I have a ticket open for a refund. Reconsidering now that we have a solid shipping date, though. Probably won't be receiving a refund anyway since I didn't keep my BitPay invoice URL. I figured the receipt I got from Avalon would contain whatever information I needed to do business with them in the future. Silly me. :-/

I was lucky and kept the thanks-page for all products i bought with avalon. So i could go back one step in history and got the bitpay invoice url.

But i dont understand what the russian guy wrote. He writes something like that he clicked a bitpay link? I only filled the form but dont remember that i could do more than that.

[ailikun]

Well,
What he is saying, is that he did 3 things,
First opened a ticket, at bitsyncom page 20 days ago.

Second, filled the form, that Yifu sended to us.

Third, he somehow managed to press a refund button, on the bitpays page.

After all those manipulations, he received his refund in 4 partitions.
23.5+19+18+18

[SebastianJu]

Well,
What he is saying, is that he did 3 things,
First opened a ticket, at bitsyncom page 20 days ago.

Second, filled the form, that Yifu sended to us.

Third, he somehow managed to press a refund button, on the bitpays page.

After all those manipulations, he received his refund in 4 partitions.
23.5+19+18+18

Thanks. But i cant find a refund button at the invoice url. It only states that i paid in full. Ill wait then. Filled that form 24 hours before so i wonder when something will happen. I mean only 48 hours time until the timeframe is gone. So i hope everything went correctly.

[jspielberg]

all refunds are in full, in addition

you must obtain the invoice URL OR your return address must be one of the inputs.

I don't ever recall seeing a Bitpay invoice URL.
I have the bitcoin client and I can find my transaction ID under transactions -> show transaction details.
So... TXID is easy.

Where do we find our return address?

[sneef]

all refunds are in full, in addition

you must obtain the invoice URL OR your return address must be one of the inputs.

Bitsyncom

Will you please address your Batch 2 buyers with problems in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255130

[monkee]

all refunds are in full, in addition

you must obtain the invoice URL OR your return address must be one of the inputs.

I don't ever recall seeing a Bitpay invoice URL.
I have the bitcoin client and I can find my transaction ID under transactions -> show transaction details.
So... TXID is easy.

Where do we find our return address?

i believe it means that he will send refunds only to an address that was involved in sending the coins TO him originally (to prevent fraud)
if the address you sent from when you paid is the same address you want your BTC returned to, you're good
if you paid from mt. gox, or a wallet address you do not own, you are s.o.l., unless you have the invoice URL

but don't quote me

*edit* sort of answered here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242627.msg2719737#msg2719737

[dashingriddler]

While avalon says they will start shipping batch #3 on monday, is there a reason why people are trying to request refunds? seems i m missing something here

[tagada]

While avalon says they will start shipping batch #3 on monday, is there a reason why people are trying to request refunds? seems i m missing something here

ROI is pretty compromised now. With the delay and all those chips they will start shipping at pretty much the same time as batch #3, it's going to be tough mining those 75/100 btc back, even with some overclocking. I'd rather have 100btc in hand now than a "maybe you'll get it back in a year"

[Wayne_Chang]

While avalon says they will start shipping batch #3 on monday, is there a reason why people are trying to request refunds? seems i m missing something here

ROI is pretty compromised now. With the delay and all those chips they will start shipping at pretty much the same time as batch #3, it's going to be tough mining those 75/100 btc back, even with some overclocking. I'd rather have 100btc in hand now than a "maybe you'll get it back in a year"

Correct. And I think they should refund 5% more for the interest because of the delay.

[cmdbill]

-"No Refunds - The Avalon units are made on a built-to-order basis. This means when you place an order, your bitcoins are used to order parts to construct your Avalon Unit. Refunds therefore are impossible. Utilizing a short time frame, batch based, and built-to-order method allows to manage finances properly and reduce risk for all parties. e.g. Avalon ASIC, the re-sellers and the buyers."

There was not a refund option in the first place. Given there have been delays and setbacks, Yufi stated he would refund do to delays.

-"we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible."

He also stated all refunds will be paid in full (no additional interest).

-"all refunds are in full, in addition, you must obtain the invoice URL OR your return address must be one of the inputs."

You can get your BTC back at least. This was never an option in the first place. I think what everyone is pondering at this point is when this will occur.

[dashingriddler]

While avalon says they will start shipping batch #3 on monday, is there a reason why people are trying to request refunds? seems i m missing something here

ROI is pretty compromised now. With the delay and all those chips they will start shipping at pretty much the same time as batch #3, it's going to be tough mining those 75/100 btc back, even with some overclocking. I'd rather have 100btc in hand now than a "maybe you'll get it back in a year"

Ok, but that will count if those clone manufacturers use those chips effectively. Those miners are no cheaper than 80 btc anyway and many such clones lack built in wifi capabilities etc.
In the worst case u can just auction the avalon once it reaches to your hand in auction section of this form or over ebay and u can easily get one and half times of the btc u could get refunded. Just my thoughts

[mik3]

Yeah i submitted a refund ticket, nobody is going to bid on your avalon more than you paid as ROI is nearly impossible to achieve, especially with all the avalon chips, and ASICminer constantly adding new units online. Not counting all those other new companies.

[troner]

Is there any trusted source which confirms the google refund form ( https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qYcIa0TQqUDJzvaKrF8mlJFfPRbf_h5d85Ers3wu040/viewform?pli=1 )
is legit and produced by BitSyncom? I got no newsletter via email.

I'm surprised how many people just fill it out without wondering where it came from...

[SebastianJu]

Did some more get a refund or a reaction at all?

[jspielberg]

Did some more get a refund or a reaction at all?

It is unfortunate that the refund mechanism is separate from the store.  
I just submitted a support ticket to confirm my refund request and I realized I had put in the wrong order number yesterday (could see it in the form insta-fill of the browser).   Good thing I double checked. I just corrected it with another refund form entry, but I hope it gets read in time.

[mik3]

Did some more get a refund or a reaction at all?

It was the weekend and it is 5am in China now, I think we should see refunds shortly.

[tolan77]

This has nothing to do with Batch #3 but the Batch 2 countdown thread seems locked so I'm posting here. My friend was one of the earliest orders of batch #2 and has yet to receive anything close to shipping information for his avalon yet they are about to start sending batch 3. He only has a noobie account but his post about it is here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255910.0 I really hope Yifu or somebody sees this and helps my buddy out.

[cmdbill]

It's the 15th, what happens now? The deadline is over for submitting the form. If anyone receives anymore information please post.

[koob]

It's the 15th, what happens now? The deadline is over for submitting the form. If anyone receives anymore information please post.

Its already 10.00 PM of July 15th in China. Nothing happened