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I have unit in hand. I'm looking to sell at least one unit, possibly more. Seems like the going rate is around 150 15-20 BTCs. Send serious offers only. I also have October pre-orders that I can sell, but those clearly take more trust/coordination. Also, some BFL Chip credits if you need. If someone wants in on my 25% off order, I can split the savings with you and ship to you when it gets to my address. I now have a pre-order for a minirig; however, I doubt anyone wants to order a minirig pre-order with a date of July 16, 2013... hehFeel free to leave your offers here, or PM me. I've done plenty of trades, so expect to pay me BTC up front and I'll send everything your way based on our agreement. I can post pictures later this week if that helps, but for now I'll leave this here: That includes my 7 BFL Singles (FPGA) and 4 BFL Singles SC (ASIC). I'm in Ohio, USA and I've shipped internationally before. EDIT: I'm getting 6 BFL Singles SC on Wed. Updated price above. Let me know if you want BFL Single SC 60 GH or BFL chip credits. Likely selling many Wed/Thurs to highest bidder.
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Agreed, I also have an August pre-order that I don't expect to show up for a couple of months, after which my units will have made probably 60 BTC for those couple/few months before the August pre-order shows up. If you want your unit now, there's a price for it... Also, not sure how much history you have since I'm still trying to figure out how much "activity level" translates to experience here on the forums, but I've sold thousands of dollars of hardware & BTC to people here on the forums and have a great reputation. I'm looking to start getting this "trust" statistic used for my future deals, but the list of honest traders documents my previous transactions well.
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120 ship and escrow included
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120 ship and escrow included
Thank you for the serious offer. I will consider. I have not used escrow before, but perhaps I should get with the times... especially for such a large transaction. Also, will people need the power supply? Please post whether you need that or not. I've received some with and some without. I'm using Corsair to power three right now.
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I'm getting 6 BFL Singles SC on Wed. Updated price above. Let me know if you want BFL Single SC 60 GH or BFL chip credits.
Likely selling many Wed/Thurs to highest bidder.
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whats the highest bid ? pm me thanks
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UPDATE: 6 BFL Singles showed up today and are hashing away quite fine. Before I pack up my 7 BFL FPGA units, I wanted to test running 18 units on my computer hence this picture: As you can see, one runs really hot (80s), but it gets an extra 4 GH, so I'm ok with running without the faceplate I've sent messages/e-mails to those who have expressed interest. I'm prepared to sell these and ship them tomorrow to the first person who pays what they've offered. PM me your shipping address and offer if you'd like to receive a bitcoin payment address. First person to pay, gets them shipped to their address. Otherwise, I'm content watching my 660 GH keep cranking while I ship my FPGAs back. Cheers!
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UPDATE: 6 BFL Singles showed up today and are hashing away quite fine. Before I pack up my 7 BFL FPGA units, I wanted to test running 18 units on my computer hence this picture: As you can see, one runs really hot (80s), but it gets an extra 4 GH, so I'm ok with running without the faceplate I've sent messages/e-mails to those who have expressed interest. I'm prepared to sell these and ship them tomorrow to the first person who pays what they've offered. PM me your shipping address and offer if you'd like to receive a bitcoin payment address. First person to pay, gets them shipped to their address. Otherwise, I'm content watching my 660 GH keep cranking while I ship my FPGAs back. Cheers! so no Escrow ?
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UPDATE: 6 BFL Singles showed up today and are hashing away quite fine. Before I pack up my 7 BFL FPGA units, I wanted to test running 18 units on my computer hence this picture: As you can see, one runs really hot (80s), but it gets an extra 4 GH, so I'm ok with running without the faceplate I've sent messages/e-mails to those who have expressed interest. I'm prepared to sell these and ship them tomorrow to the first person who pays what they've offered. PM me your shipping address and offer if you'd like to receive a bitcoin payment address. First person to pay, gets them shipped to their address. Otherwise, I'm content watching my 660 GH keep cranking while I ship my FPGAs back. Cheers! so no Escrow ? I haven't used escrow before as I've always received payment prior to shipping. We'll see if I resort to that at this point. No one paid for any units yet, and I'll get back to PMs tonight after work if I can find the time. For now, I'm happily hashing at 660 GH/s! Woot!
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No one has paid because you won't do escrow.
I will give you BTC13 for one
John K Escrow
Offer good until next DIFF
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Pictures of actual units? With a piece of paper and your name next to it?
I'll get that up here tonight. No one has paid because you won't do escrow.
I will give you BTC13 for one
John K Escrow
Offer good until next DIFF
Thanks for the feedback; is there a link to somewhere that explains how escrow works and why John K is the name I always see related to escrow?
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Pictures of actual units? With a piece of paper and your name next to it?
I'll get that up here tonight. No one has paid because you won't do escrow.
I will give you BTC13 for one
John K Escrow
Offer good until next DIFF
Thanks for the feedback; is there a link to somewhere that explains how escrow works and why John K is the name I always see related to escrow? you have been around here since 2011 and you don't know what is escrow or how it works ? I find it really hard to believe, but no problem I can explain it to you, it is really simple. you close a deal with a buyer then a trusted third party (johnK in this case) review your deal and make a contract, and make sure you both stick to it, the contract is simple: buyer send BTC to escrow ( and fees that one of you have to pay, or you can split usually it is 1-1.5%) escrow confirm the received payment and request the shipment you provide a tracking number to both the buyer and escrow Buyer receive Items and confirm that everything is cool escrow release the funds to you risk free for both parties, as simple as it can get, If your attention is to scam people, you will sure refuse using escrow, and no one will buy from you, it is the same way as ebay and PayPal works.
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September 19, 2013, 12:11:04 PM |
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Pictures of actual units? With a piece of paper and your name next to it?
I'll get that up here tonight. No one has paid because you won't do escrow.
I will give you BTC13 for one
John K Escrow
Offer good until next DIFF
Thanks for the feedback; is there a link to somewhere that explains how escrow works and why John K is the name I always see related to escrow? you have been around here since 2011 and you don't know what is escrow or how it works ? I find it really hard to believe, but no problem I can explain it to you, it is really simple. you close a deal with a buyer then a trusted third party (johnK in this case) review your deal and make a contract, and make sure you both stick to it, the contract is simple: buyer send BTC to escrow ( and fees that one of you have to pay, or you can split usually it is 1-1.5%) escrow confirm the received payment and request the shipment you provide a tracking number to both the buyer and escrow Buyer receive Items and confirm that everything is cool escrow release the funds to you risk free for both parties, as simple as it can get, If your attention is to scam people, you will sure refuse using escrow, and no one will buy from you, it is the same way as ebay and PayPal works. I found that quite funny also (hehe) I barely joined this board and I knew who John K was and what escrow was withing my 1st 24 hours.
I'm more looking for examples of where escrow has gone bad. Does John K have 100% good feedback? Why are we all putting our faith in John K. I see his name thrown around all the time... Why don't people use me for escrow? I'd love to run an escrow service for 1-1.5% of all bitcoin transactions. Seems like wasted money, and I don't believe this is risk free, because I don't know how John K is. I can't recall, but I almost used DoubleC for escrow once because I know him as Chris who runs the pool that I rack up thousands of dollar of coins, and I used to use his exchanges before he shut them down and I trusted him. I'm asking who is John K, and why does everyone trust him, and why should I trust him? I realize I've been here for a while, but just never took time to look into escrow... if you look at my posting stats, I stick mostly to the alt coins forums for many of my months and mining. I come into the marketplace when I need to sell or buy something (mostly sell), and I haven't needed to use escrow ever. Sorry if it seems like I'm scammy, heh. I'm content with letting my singles keep hashing away unless someone else wants to get into the game now for the right price. I assume you're not on your way to Cleveland darkdad, so I don't have my machine at work with me. However, perhaps I'll have time to breath tonight and we can work something out for tomorrow or Saturday. Ciao
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Yup, not going to waste my time and drive out there (Officially Retracting My Offer)
I am sorry, I don't know you, or who you are. YOU HAVE NO VIABLE REP. This guy John K has tons and tons and tons of transaction UNDER HIS BELT and REP. Wtf do you have?
It's BITCOINS once something is sent out *you have no way of getting it back*
For all I know i drive out there and you still scam me.
Here is what we have on you
You have no real pictures of the units with your name next to them You refuse to use a Trustworthy person for an escrow service You "claim" you have traded/sold/purchase here before yet no one has came in and vouched for you (not one single person)
You go ahead and "keep mining" I am not rolling the dice with you buddy. Good luck.
All of this spells OUT SCAM. Make no mistake just because you've been here since 2011 and you have 1500+ posts. I still dont know you "it's the internet" and I trust no one.
Best of luck to you.
Fair enough. I can get pictures by this weekend. If you'd like to watch my youtube video with my real name in the meantime, have fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCedD5CPLEI'm asking for where John K's trustworthiness is documented... no one has posted links yet. Sorry, I can do this research myself, but I don't know why unless it's the only way someone will buy stuff these days... seems like wasted money for someone who has good feedback like myself. I can go get references if that helps. I can also, go hunt down all of the good feedback I have in the list of honest traders if you don't have time to search for it yourself (understandable). Most of my selling happened before this new trust system next to our names, which is why it takes time to hunt these things down. Not sure what basis you have to scream in all caps that I have no viable rep, when you have provided no evidence for John K's viable rep... ciao
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Yup, not going to waste my time and drive out there (Officially Retracting My Offer)
I am sorry, I don't know you, or who you are. YOU HAVE NO VIABLE REP. This guy John K has tons and tons and tons of transaction UNDER HIS BELT and REP. Wtf do you have?
It's BITCOINS once something is sent out *you have no way of getting it back*
For all I know i drive out there and you still scam me.
Here is what we have on you
You have no real pictures of the units with your name next to them You refuse to use a Trustworthy person for an escrow service You "claim" you have traded/sold/purchase here before yet no one has came in and vouched for you (not one single person)
You go ahead and "keep mining" I am not rolling the dice with you buddy. Good luck.
All of this spells OUT SCAM. Make no mistake just because you've been here since 2011 and you have 1500+ posts. I still dont know you "it's the internet" and I trust no one.
Best of luck to you.
Fair enough. I can get pictures by this weekend. If you'd like to watch my youtube video with my real name in the meantime, have fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCedD5CPLEI'm asking for where John K's trustworthiness is documented... no one has posted links yet. Sorry, I can do this research myself, but I don't know why unless it's the only way someone will buy stuff these days... seems like wasted money for someone who has good feedback like myself. I can go get references if that helps. I can also, go hunt down all of the good feedback I have in the list of honest traders if you don't have time to search for it yourself (understandable). Most of my selling happened before this new trust system next to our names, which is why it takes time to hunt these things down. Not sure what basis you have to scream in all caps that I have no viable rep, when you have provided no evidence for John K's viable rep... ciao you are whining about few BTC and questioning the trustworthy of JohnK? as I know you do not have any positive feedback, where can I look for your feed back ? JohnK is a global moderator administrator and the holder of Bitcointalk funds, Hold thousands of BTC for companies and members If you really don't know him or you want to check his feedback check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141672.0 and maybe check the trust button under his profile picture for more evidence. now that we went down this road, no one will trust you with buying these units even if you put them for 2 BTC each..... do your home work before writing stuff here. edit: JohnK is an administrator not a moderator i fixed that
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September 19, 2013, 12:58:25 PM |
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and you still claim to not know what is escrow and who JohnK is now this is really getting awkward
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Yeah at same time for all we know that URL from youtube could be completely fake and not even belong to him and he could be spoofing someones identity.
So again we are all left with "questioning him" and you still claim to not know what is escrow and who JohnK is now this is really getting awkward BTW the units in that video are BFL FPGAs not ASICs
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Thanks for the link... that's what I was asking for: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141672.0;allI'll stop posting responses until I have time to answer everything like you want.As my linked in profile shows... I have a real job that requires demanding hours. And yes, this video is back from BFL's video contest where I taped my FPGA units, which were just mailed back to BFL so I can get my next pre-order shipped ASAP. Talk to you this weekend. Cheers.
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Pictures of actual units? With a piece of paper and your name next to it?
I'll get that up here tonight. No one has paid because you won't do escrow.
I will give you BTC13 for one
John K Escrow
Offer good until next DIFF
Thanks for the feedback; is there a link to somewhere that explains how escrow works and why John K is the name I always see related to escrow? you have been around here since 2011 and you don't know what is escrow or how it works ? I find it really hard to believe, but no problem I can explain it to you, it is really simple. you close a deal with a buyer then a trusted third party (johnK in this case) review your deal and make a contract, and make sure you both stick to it, the contract is simple: buyer send BTC to escrow ( and fees that one of you have to pay, or you can split usually it is 1-1.5%) escrow confirm the received payment and request the shipment you provide a tracking number to both the buyer and escrow Buyer receive Items and confirm that everything is cool escrow release the funds to you risk free for both parties, as simple as it can get, If your attention is to scam people, you will sure refuse using escrow, and no one will buy from you, it is the same way as ebay and PayPal works. where to find the third part?
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escrow services are free from others. check around, john k is not the only one with good rep. escrowing a product sale shall not cost 1-2%..
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September 24, 2013, 09:19:12 AM |
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escrow services are free from others. check around, john k is not the only one with good rep. escrowing a product sale shall not cost 1-2%..
I see plenty of people saying "Jon K escrow only" so it seems like he's got quite the brand recognition and some people only accept him... UPDATE: sold 2 units on Ebay for nice margin above what people are offering here. Also, have two local cash orders for 4-8 units, which are looking nice considering Ebay delays my funds for up to 21 days... assuming I don't get scammed, haha. Also, just received notice for 4 more units on their way to me. Should be here later this week. Continuing to respond to PMs; however, I'm getting a lot. So if I'm delayed, sorry! Feel free to e-mail me, which gets to me faster: http://btcxperts.com/en/profile/monty/128
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Retracting my offer.
You do lots of talk.
Go sell on Ebay.
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I have been here less than a month and know what escrow is and who John K is. Is this guy serious?
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I'll look into escrow next, but need to go to church now. Hopefully, this helps to appease some of the scam accusations. you know what I like about this guy ? the line quoted above, he just made my day , this guy goes to church lets threw our BTC at him , he cant scam us come on he goes to church.
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I'll look into escrow next, but need to go to church now. Hopefully, this helps to appease some of the scam accusations. you know what I like about this guy ? the line quoted above, he just made my day , this guy goes to church lets threw our BTC at him , he cant scam us come on he goes to church. Haha, Didn't read that again before I posted it. I was referring to the post in general ~ hoping that it would appease some of the scam accusations; not that my going to church would imply the latter... Thanks for the instructions; however, why would you trust all of this as true? It's not like this system is perfect... it takes more than 2 second to read all of this; perhaps I'm not as fast a reader as you; however, I like to think about things that I read rather than just look and assume they are true... I have been here less than a month and know what escrow is and who John K is. Is this guy serious?
Again, I know who John K is and I know what escrow is; however, I don't understand why everyone trusts is so much and pays money for this... Seems like wasted money if I'm reputable. I'm thinking about starting my own escrow service if it's as easy as being honest online and just releasing money based on facts. I'm going to thoroughly review his forum to see who has not had a good experience (there's gotta be someone where John K's escrow service did not work out). I don't want to be one of those people. Retracting my offer.
You do lots of talk.
Go sell on Ebay.
I'll gladly take the Ebay and cash offers I've received which are 20-50% more than what you've offered... Thanks for documenting your retracted offer and giving me the free bump given that you posted an expiration if memory serves (sorry no time to go back and re-read... which I realize takes "2 seconds")... Ciao, thanks for the productive conversation...
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Again, I know who John K is and I know what escrow is; however, I don't understand why everyone trusts is so much and pays money for this...
Seems like wasted money if I'm reputable. I'm thinking about starting my own escrow service if it's as easy as being honest online and just releasing money based on facts.
I'm going to thoroughly review his forum to see who has not had a good experience (there's gotta be someone where John K's escrow service did not work out). I don't want to be one of those people. OK , just tell me honestly, why would people trust you? I can count 1000 reason why would people trust JohnK or other know Escrows here, but just tell me why would anyone would trust you if you are refusing escrow? being a Trustful escrow is not by going to church or by offering Escrow for your own products actually this is called conflict of interests, and being so defensive when people ask for escrow is a big red flag, we cant judge you attentions but we can judge your actions, and believe me anyone will read this thread will seriously think twice about doing business with you. I would happily do Escrow for anything, I usually go far than that by asking buyers if they are happy with my services/goods and offer return if they feel that it wasn't as described, and this is what counts.
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Again, I know who John K is and I know what escrow is; however, I don't understand why everyone trusts is so much and pays money for this...
Seems like wasted money if I'm reputable. I'm thinking about starting my own escrow service if it's as easy as being honest online and just releasing money based on facts.
I'm going to thoroughly review his forum to see who has not had a good experience (there's gotta be someone where John K's escrow service did not work out). I don't want to be one of those people. OK , just tell me honestly, why would people trust you? I can count 1000 reason why would people trust JohnK or other know Escrows here, but just tell me why would anyone would trust you if you are refusing escrow? being a Trustful escrow is not by going to church or by offering Escrow for your own products actually this is called conflict of interests, and being so defensive when people ask for escrow is a big red flag, we cant judge you attentions but we can judge your actions, and believe me anyone will read this thread will seriously think twice about doing business with you. I would happily do Escrow for anything, I usually go far than that by asking buyers if they are happy with my services/goods and offer return if they feel that it wasn't as described, and this is what counts. Why would people trust me: no one has gotten burned by me yet... and I have lots of good feedback. I have a solid reputation that I intend to uphold and don't want to diminish. All I've said is that I haven't needed to use escrow so far, and I don't see why I would accept escrow unless someone gives me an offer that is worth testing it out and I've reviewed the process and understand why I should trust it. If you don't trust me, that's fine, there are plenty of others who do (sold 2 units out of 11 so far). Have 4 more on the way. Just haven't had enough time to get back to everyone's inquiries just yet.
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SCAM GUYS , JUST DONT BOTHER WITH HIM. THIS THREAD IS ALREADY OVER. #fail
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but need to go to church now. Hopefully, this helps to appease some of the scam accusations.
Ciao!
Why even mention this? As if anyone is gonna trust you more based on the fact you say you go to church. I find it hilarious you would even bring it up.
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but need to go to church now. Hopefully, this helps to appease some of the scam accusations.
Ciao!
Why even mention this? As if anyone is gonna trust you more based on the fact you say you go to church. I find it hilarious you would even bring it up. Fixed... as I mentioned it was not typed exactly as intended for meaning...
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September 25, 2013, 10:22:59 AM |
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SCAM GUYS , JUST DONT BOTHER WITH HIM. THIS THREAD IS ALREADY OVER. #fail
helpful... and a very factually based claim... Thanks for the bump...
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SCAM
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SCAM
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very factually based claim... Thanks for the bump...
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SCAMMER WARNING PLEASE DO NOT PURCHASE FROM THIS UNTRUSTED SELLER
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September 25, 2013, 05:36:21 PM |
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I`m not here to bash, but if you had a local cash offer, why not take it?
Thats going to be your best bet, since escrow isnt an option and most here are seeking for escrow.
The larger amount of money is involved there needs to be a escrow. So buyers like myself and others posted above, can prevent fraud.
I`d recommend on closing this thread as most are experiencing.
As for reputation in trades, these are actually placed within your profile eg: +1 "trust".
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kjlimo (OP)
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September 25, 2013, 05:42:59 PM |
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I`m not here to bash, but if you had a local cash offer, why not take it?
Thats going to be your best bet, since escrow isnt an option and most here are seeking for escrow.
The larger amount of money is involved there needs to be a escrow. So buyers like myself and others posted above, can prevent fraud.
I`d recommend on closing this thread as most are experiencing.
As for reputation in trades, these are actually placed within your profile eg: +1 "trust".
I'm working with local cash offers, and will report back once they are executed and units are no longer available; however, I have 4 more units en route, and only cash offers for 4-8 units and still negotiating prices. My reputation trades were made last year prior to the new system in place; so I need to get some new history now that we have the new system. Can I solicit those people before to document the trades that are in the list of honest traders in the new system? I just assumed I would get new good feedback rather than filling the new system with old info and dates from long ago...
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bobsag3
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September 25, 2013, 07:40:22 PM |
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I`m not here to bash, but if you had a local cash offer, why not take it?
Thats going to be your best bet, since escrow isnt an option and most here are seeking for escrow.
The larger amount of money is involved there needs to be a escrow. So buyers like myself and others posted above, can prevent fraud.
I`d recommend on closing this thread as most are experiencing.
As for reputation in trades, these are actually placed within your profile eg: +1 "trust".
I'm working with local cash offers, and will report back once they are executed and units are no longer available; however, I have 4 more units en route, and only cash offers for 4-8 units and still negotiating prices. My reputation trades were made last year prior to the new system in place; so I need to get some new history now that we have the new system. Can I solicit those people before to document the trades that are in the list of honest traders in the new system? I just assumed I would get new good feedback rather than filling the new system with old info and dates from long ago... As long as the threads exist you should be able to add to your trust.
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kjlimo (OP)
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September 25, 2013, 07:49:52 PM |
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I`m not here to bash, but if you had a local cash offer, why not take it?
Thats going to be your best bet, since escrow isnt an option and most here are seeking for escrow.
The larger amount of money is involved there needs to be a escrow. So buyers like myself and others posted above, can prevent fraud.
I`d recommend on closing this thread as most are experiencing.
As for reputation in trades, these are actually placed within your profile eg: +1 "trust".
I'm working with local cash offers, and will report back once they are executed and units are no longer available; however, I have 4 more units en route, and only cash offers for 4-8 units and still negotiating prices. My reputation trades were made last year prior to the new system in place; so I need to get some new history now that we have the new system. Can I solicit those people before to document the trades that are in the list of honest traders in the new system? I just assumed I would get new good feedback rather than filling the new system with old info and dates from long ago... As long as the threads exist you should be able to add to your trust. Cool thanks. I'll look into that when I have time.
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