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December 17, 2017, 09:33:02 PM
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But if you're holding over 5 BTC in a paper wallet, I wouldn't worry about 500 USD in fees.  Lol.  You're rich!  Pay the miners.  Grin

I guess it's conceivable this could really happen. I'm not sure which is more mind blowing at this moment in time, Bitcoin heading far into the tens of thousands or fees reaching the hundreds. I checked a not massively input heavy balance today which would take $60 to move low priority but that's probably down to crappy estimation.

Those unbanked Kazakh goat whisperers won't be able to access the global economy and do online goat whispering with Bitcoin after all for now at least.

Yes , has Bitcoin kind of screwed the unbanked goat whisperers? The unbanked may have small amounts in BTC that they cannot move now because of the fees. We sold them a promise and now they are screwed. Even with Lightning you will have to send your BTC to a payment channel, what will the fees be then. I am starting to question the motives of Blockstream.

I am not selling BTC , but I am no longer buying it either. It appears to be a less interesting project in the world of block chain tech. I am not convinced the Lightning Cult has the answers.
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December 18, 2017, 01:03:15 PM
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But if you're holding over 5 BTC in a paper wallet, I wouldn't worry about 500 USD in fees.  Lol.  You're rich!  Pay the miners.  Grin

I guess it's conceivable this could really happen. I'm not sure which is more mind blowing at this moment in time, Bitcoin heading far into the tens of thousands or fees reaching the hundreds. I checked a not massively input heavy balance today which would take $60 to move low priority but that's probably down to crappy estimation.

Those unbanked Kazakh goat whisperers won't be able to access the global economy and do online goat whispering with Bitcoin after all for now at least.

Nah, honestly I'm not that too worried about it.  Sooner or later somebody has to give way and start using the tech available to accomodate more transactions per block.  And better, a layer on top making lightning fast transactions possible, and get this...  It can scale!  Wink

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December 18, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
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I guess it's conceivable this could really happen. I'm not sure which is more mind blowing at this moment in time, Bitcoin heading far into the tens of thousands or fees reaching the hundreds. I checked a not massively input heavy balance today which would take $60 to move low priority but that's probably down to crappy estimation.

Those unbanked Kazakh goat whisperers won't be able to access the global economy and do online goat whispering with Bitcoin after all for now at least.

Oi, come on now, no need to be elitist, even as a joke Wink I think the "upside" of this scaling issue, or fee problem anyway, is that people are being forced more and more to learn more about Bitcoin's tech... how to use it properly, how to be more in control, how it works... which is, arguably, the direction users should head towards to so they can help with forward adoption. I say this only because of my own experience. Perhaps if fees and confirmation times never became an issue for me, I'd never have learnt to use wallets properly. Perhaps without the fork threats (and events), I might never have needed to learn how to secure my coins.

Nah, honestly I'm not that too worried about it.  Sooner or later somebody has to give way and start using the tech available to accomodate more transactions per block.  And better, a layer on top making lightning fast transactions possible, and get this...  It can scale!  Wink

I think that's right. We now see more services moving towards adopting Segwit (which is 5 months old almost now), and itself was a form of increasing block limits. Things will happen, naturally a lot more slowly than many would like, but necessity after all, is the mother of invention.

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December 18, 2017, 05:45:06 PM
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We all know that the main problem that we have right now with BTC is its very high transaction fees accompanied by high waiting time. These issues are being dealt with right now and one of the solutions given to us is to use the Segwit addresses. If we are presented with solutions to our current problem, we should use it right away especially when there will be no harm being done to us. I'm currently in the process of transferring my BTC to Segwit addresses in my Ledger Nano S.

After 2 years, if Legacy is still indeed functioning by then, I'm seeing a very high transaction fee in that chain to make a transfer. Its transaction time will also scale into a crazy longer period of waiting and this will definitely harm the system for BTC.
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December 18, 2017, 10:52:39 PM
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Fees are a bitch for everyone, but I'm guessing that many of the high fee screamers are people who gathered a shit ton of dust from sig campaigns, faucets and trading and only now figured out that's it data not value that costs.

spam attacks aside---more than anything, i'm annoyed by bad fee estimation algos and political games. bitmex recommending upwards of 0.003 BTC to withdraw? unbelievable! most wallets defaulting to the highest possible fee, creating massive bottlenecks in fee rates? give me a break!

rusty russell (lightning developer) put it best; i'll have to paraphrase. "it's like a toll booth where the toll costs a quarter and everyone is chucking in a $5 bill!" what do you think this does to everyone else's fees? it drives everyone's fees up across the board, and drastically, due to the limited block space.

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December 19, 2017, 11:08:48 PM
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It is the same, i have a ledger wallet only for recovery purposes, if something happens to me, i do not want to move all my bitcoins to there (i am not storing them in there at the moment) but this is just only for preventions.

You need to know that they work by the same way, they are different chains but you can receive/send btc in there, only that the segwit addresses are cheaper, you can send bitcoins more fastly and without high fees (10% less than the legacy ones)

My brother asked me this yestearday beucase he bought a new ledger nano s thing and in the screen he had seen the device was asking for segwit or legacy blockchains. I told him to select segwit due to low fees.

If your brother is on this forum and specially, on a signature campaign; let me tell you that he is going to get banned only for sharing wallet addresess and cheating the forum.

Is there any chance to lose our bitcoin due to this selection in the future?

I hope that you are not doing that! Of course! But if you are one of the cheaters i would be in love to see how you get tagged in there.

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